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SoldierHawk
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So I've been playing Zelda (the original) for my first video walkthrough, and I noticed something I haven't thought about in a while: when you get a colored ring (the blue or red) the shopkeeper's outfits change color as well. Why is that? I tried Googling, but must not have been putting in terms it liked.
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Nekkoru
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Yeah, that's a graphics glitch if I ever saw one.
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Fortune Smiles
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The issue is probably depending from a palette change of some sort.
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Syd Lexia
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Yeah, it's a palette issue. It's the same reason the Goombas in the original Super Mario Bros. are always the same colors as the bricks and the ground.
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UsaSatsui
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The NES can only display so many colors at once, it's a shortcut they use to get around it. Instead of wasting space by making a green for Link and a slightly different green for the shopkeeper, they just make them the same color, and when you change one (by getting the ring), you change all instances of that color on the screen.
Finding ways to subtly change the palette was a small problem for NES programmers. I remember Strider had one of the absolute least subtle methods.
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Syd Lexia
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The Genesis had similar problems, as did early PCs.
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Andrew Man
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Syd Lexia
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Just not as colorful as the SNES.
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GPFontaine
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| It's the same reason the Goombas in the original Super Mario Bros. are always the same colors as the bricks and the ground. |
I thought that was done for effect. I always thought it was cool that they matched their environment.
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UsaSatsui
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| The Genesis had similar problems, as did early PCs. |
I never saw any Genesis games with that issue. Example?
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Ba'al
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Knuckles couldn't be in Sonic 1, allegedly because of pallete issues. However, hackers were able to make a hack of the game with Knuckles playable, so if amateur programmers could do it, then Sega should've been too.
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Ermac
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the nes can display 52 different colors if I am not mistaken, even less than 256 VGA but hella better than 16 EGA
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ReeperTheSeeker
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No such thing as random zelda questions, just random zelda answers
"10th enemy has the bomb, Dodongo dislikes smoke, use bomb wisely"
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Syd Lexia
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| UsaSatsui wrote: |
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| The Genesis had similar problems, as did early PCs. |
I never saw any Genesis games with that issue. Example? |
Compare any game that was simultaneously released on the SNES and the Genesis. You will see noticeable color differences. MK2 is a good example of this.
If you're looking for something similar to the shopkeeper/ring thing, I don't think there is one. However, the Genesis was only capable of displaying 64 different colors at once. It had 8 different palettes, for a total of 512 possible colors.
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Bouya
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Is this kinda like the colors changing on Mac (or maybe it was Mario?) on Punch-Out?
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UsaSatsui
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| Is this kinda like the colors changing on Mac (or maybe it was Mario?) on Punch-Out? |
Yep They needed an extra color for Mario, so they changed Mac's green for a white and used the extra color slot on Mario.
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Syd Lexia
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It's also why Bert and Mark change colors every few levels in Monster Party.
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