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Posted: Jan 24 2009 11:28 pm

So the other day I typed Sydlexia into Google and it brought me to a site about dyslexia and there was this picture. For some reason this photo makes we want to punch child psychiatrists until they defecate themselves.

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I agree with you on the psychiatrists thing. I think more blame should be placed on the parents though. It's much easier to throw pills down your kids throat than sit down and maybe help them with their homework right?

Posted: Jan 25 2009 12:17 am

Probable Muppet wrote:

I agree with you on the psychiatrists thing. I think more blame should be placed on the parents though. It's much easier to throw pills down your kids throat than sit down and maybe help them with their homework right?

Yeah! Fuck you parents! You killed Hobbes!

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Of course, there are some kids who probably needed pills and didn't get them.

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Posted: Jan 25 2009 01:01 pm

pills always felt like a cop out to me.

bla bla bla chemical imbalance. (although chemical imbalance if you are bipolar would require pills imo... but thats about it)

bla bla bla ADD/ADHD. man up and take responsibility.

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

username wrote:

pills always felt like a cop out to me.

bla bla bla chemical imbalance. (although chemical imbalance if you are bipolar would require pills imo... but thats about it)

bla bla bla ADD/ADHD. man up and take responsibility.

Man up?

I'm not going to disagree that some people abuse pills and want "easier" children to manage.

But you are dead wrong if you assume that all mental conditions are just people not being "man enough".

Would you tell someone who is short to man up when they can't reach a jar on the top shelf of a cabinet? Of course not. Mental conditions aren't as physically obvious, but they are equally real.

Read up on this shit before you start spewing off crap.

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Take it easy GP, he was just generalizing. The point of the argument, which is that parents take the easy way out from dealing with kids acting like kids by giving them pills, is still correct. I'd bet only 5% of the children in this country diagnosed with ADD actually have it.

Posted: Jan 25 2009 02:42 pm

GPFontaine wrote:

username wrote:

pills always felt like a cop out to me.

bla bla bla chemical imbalance. (although chemical imbalance if you are bipolar would require pills imo... but thats about it)

bla bla bla ADD/ADHD. man up and take responsibility.

Man up?

I'm not going to disagree that some people abuse pills and want "easier" children to manage.

But you are dead wrong if you assume that all mental conditions are just people not being "man enough".

Would you tell someone who is short to man up when they can't reach a jar on the top shelf of a cabinet? Of course not. Mental conditions aren't as physically obvious, but they are equally real.

Read up on this shit before you start spewing off crap.

Not sure but willing to go out on a limb here, he might be speaking for everyone who was misdiagnosed due to all the hype and quickness to prescribe. I know that my school insisted that I was ADHD and needs medication and the Dr was quick to agree, but years later I am medication free and have absolutely no problem paying attention. No offense intended to anyone who actually has conditions and are helped by medication of course. Neutral

Also I would tell a midget to man up, but only in jest. Razz

Joined: Aug 05 2008 Location: CA Posts: 867

Obviously some people need medication, I never said otherwise. However it is increasingly more common to just go into the doctor to claim pretty much anything about yourself and walk away with pills. When you go into the doctor and say you are depressed, you can walk out with prozac; walk in and say you have back problems and walk out with Oxycontin. Have a learning disability? Ritalin or lorazepam.

What's worse is when a kid walks in with parents and they choose a potentially dangerous psychotropic with side effects that can make the disability they're supposed to medicate much worse.

When I was in first grade my parents thought I either had a severe learning disability and/or was dyslexic. They took me to specialists who then placed me in after school sessions at an extended learning center. They couldn't figure out what was wrong. Then one night I was sitting at home with my parents and I started talking about how I see two of everything. Turns out I had horrible eyesight, and as soon as I got some glasses I had no problems. Now a days they would prescribe medications before any other options are considered because it's cheaper and some HMO's don't even give you a choice.

Edit: Doctors are fiscally encouraged to prescribe medication.

Also, GP want to play some WoW? Surprised

Posted: Jan 25 2009 03:16 pm

Oh man, I remember that cartoon! I have it saved on my comp and was actually considering posting it in the "favorite Calvin and Hobbes" thread (I ended up not wanting to bump a thread that old though.) This one always makes me sad, but I also use it as a kind of 'don't let this happen to you' kind of thing. Good reminder when you get so caught up in adult life that you forget you have imagination. Bill Waterson's really is an insightful guy. I love his stuff.

Muppet, I had an experience kind of like that. For the first five years of school I got sick almost every day, complaining of pain, going to the nurse, throwing up, etc. Doctors told my mom I was everything from socially maladjusted to borderline autistic to downright retarded. What did it turn out to be? Chronic migraines. Diagnosed when one brilliant doctor finally asked the insightful question, "hey kid, does your head ever hurt a lot?" Rolling Eyes

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Posted: Jan 25 2009 03:45 pm

Probable Muppet wrote:

.stuo etihw teg I dab os seniargim teg I naem uoy tahw wonk I haeY Crying

*wince* THAT is freaking nasty. Any hope you'll outgrow them as you get older? :/

Posted: Jan 25 2009 04:40 pm

Muppet, I have a hangover. Reading that was not a pleasent experience.

More relevantly, I went to see my doctor about depression a little while ago. First thing he does is give me a week's supply of Cymbalta. Then he gave me a questionnaire to fill out. I've always had this thing against pills, so I didn't take the Cymbalta. I filled out the questionnaire and took it to him the next week. I guess if you score a 10 or higher out of a possible 63, you have depression. I scored a 45 Shocked

So yeah, definitely depressed. The doctor gave me another two weeks of Cymbalta, and booked me an appointment at the mental health clinic. A friend of mine who was gung-ho against the pills from the start did some research and read that Cymbalta causes increased thoughts of suicide, definitely something I didn't need. The night before my appointment last week was probably the scariest night in my whole life. I've talked to GP about it, he knows what I'm talking about. I'm pretty sure I hit the lowest point a human being can reach ever.

Next day I talked to the therapist for an hour, and we kinda just sourced out what could be causing my problems. And you know what, I left with a smile on my face. I don't want to say that I was just healed like that, but what she talked about was enough to set my mind back on track and I'm one happy motherfucker right now (hangover aside).

My point is, I was shocked at how fast my doctor handed out pills. But I didn't take them, and (at least for now), I didn't have to.

Posted: Jan 25 2009 04:55 pm

Ross Rifle wrote:

Muppet, I have a hangover. Reading that was not a pleasent experience.

More relevantly, I went to see my doctor about depression a little while ago. First thing he does is give me a week's supply of Cymbalta. Then he gave me a questionnaire to fill out. I've always had this thing against pills, so I didn't take the Cymbalta. I filled out the questionnaire and took it to him the next week. I guess if you score a 10 or higher out of a possible 63, you have depression. I scored a 45 Shocked

So yeah, definitely depressed. The doctor gave me another two weeks of Cymbalta, and booked me an appointment at the mental health clinic. A friend of mine who was gung-ho against the pills from the start did some research and read that Cymbalta causes increased thoughts of suicide, definitely something I didn't need. The night before my appointment last week was probably the scariest night in my whole life. I've talked to GP about it, he knows what I'm talking about. I'm pretty sure I hit the lowest point a human being can reach ever.

Next day I talked to the therapist for an hour, and we kinda just sourced out what could be causing my problems. And you know what, I left with a smile on my face. I don't want to say that I was just healed like that, but what she talked about was enough to set my mind back on track and I'm one happy motherfucker right now (hangover aside).

My point is, I was shocked at how fast my doctor handed out pills. But I didn't take them, and (at least for now), I didn't have to.

I'm glad you're feeling a little better, RR. Good to hear. Smile

On another note...let me back up and get something straight here. Tell me if I'm getting anything in this sequence of events wrong:

1. You feel depressed.

2. You go to doctor.

3. Doctor diagnoses serious case of depression.

4. Doctor prescribes pills.

5. Pills that INCREASE the chance of suicide.

6. And he gives these to a SEVERELY DEPRESSED PATIENT.

7. wthf?

Am I missing something here, or what...???

Posted: Jan 25 2009 04:59 pm

I know right? That's why I didn't take them hahaha.

Posted: Jan 25 2009 05:15 pm

No shit dude. Excellent call on your part. This is gonna be a huge wtf for me for a while. How does something that makes you MORE depressed help a depressed patient?!

Posted: Jan 25 2009 05:18 pm

Yeah, that's part of the reason I'm against Teh durgs. Because a lot of them have side effects that aren't worth it! Especially that one. I mean, if a side effect is that you'll end your life...I dunno, just doesn't sound like something I should be into ya know?

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Yeah it's pretty ironic. What's worse is trying to stop taking anti depressant medication after years of use. It really fucks you up.

http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Depression/treatment/antidepressants/article_withdrawl.asp

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Probable Muppet wrote:

Also, GP want to play some WoW? Surprised

I just went bald from the stress induced by this comment.

He he he. Just kidding.

Probable Muppet wrote:

Yeah it's pretty ironic. What's worse is trying to stop taking anti depressant medication after years of use. It really fucks you up.

http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Depression/treatment/antidepressants/article_withdrawl.asp

A year ago I was on Paxil at 300-350mg.

I had to come off of it because I hit a ceiling on the med. The adverse reactions increase once you go past 300mg and the benefits no longer increase. To clarify, this is for OCD treatment. My Dr. actually had to call the pharmacy to allow this dosage to be prescribed since it is usually used for depression and the ceiling as an anti-depressant is 100mg. In any case, when I came off of it, I got so sick. I had rage, I had stomachaches, headaches, and all sorts of other pains. I felt like screaming all the time.

I couldn't go to work for two weeks.

But, on a positive note, I changed my med to Effexor at a low dosage, and it is actually working well for me so far. I've been stable now for nearly 9 months on this med.

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They gave me medicine as a kid for ADHD, I stopped in middle school though.

Posted: Jan 27 2009 12:00 am

yes, GP. i was generalizing. and i thank cattivo for understanding that and getting my back while i was aff (away from forum)

anyhow, i meant no offense to anyone who does have any illness that requires medication, but i did mean that on some occasions, people are quick to accept medication rather than just working at solving what the root of the problem might be.

in other words, people would rather treat the symptoms than the illness itself.

Posted: Jan 27 2009 12:47 am

So in other words, I'm the kinda person you like?

(And before anybody says anything, shut the FUCK up)

Joined: Jun 20 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 802

Shit man, I specifically went into the ADHD Doc to get prescribed Adderall when I was 17 and it worked. Ended up getting 180 Instant Release in the mail every month. The shit's, for the most part, a scam. Ask and ye shall receive. Of course, I don't recommend this, I got severely addicted to them and was emotionally fucked when I made myself get off them for months. heh