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Posted: Aug 13 2008 07:11 pm

I fucking hate the new trend where every 3D fighting game thinks it needs to have to have a CAF (Create-A-Fighter) feature. Allowing people to create their own character is essentially that the fighting engine lacks finesse and balance so by all means, give yourself a bunch of top tier moves. The only game where a CAF feature is acceptable is in a wrestling game. This is because all wrestling fans secret dream of being wrestler and being able to throw themselves in the ring against their favorite - and least favorite - wrestlers adds to the experience. But only a complete douchebag sits around wishing they were a character in Mortal Kombat, Virtua Fighter, or Soul Calibur. And more often than not, the CAF feature is just used to make joke characters that demean the experience. Oh, you've made Santa Claus? That was pretty funny EIGHT YEARS AGO IN WRESTLEMANIA 2000. Bleating and Babbling

Joined: Apr 09 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3112

I can understand your anger over top-tier moves to created characters, that's retarded on a silver platter, but creating a fighter is pretty cool. Granted, I don't try to re-make existing world characters, but damned if I don't love my sword-wielding, scientist-looking character in SC4.

Posted: Aug 13 2008 07:48 pm

I enjoy CAFs, and like being able to recreate people like M.Bison, Shao Kahn, and Stephen Seagal in a fighting game and fight my friend's Dan Hibiki or Dick Cheney. But yeah, there really should be an option for turning on/off the ability to fight CAFs in online, because there are assholes out there who will only use top-tier moves or the best move-set in the game.

Joined: Feb 16 2008 Posts: 832

i think you're just thinly veiling your complaints about sucking in fighting games Rolling Eyes

Posted: Aug 13 2008 08:07 pm

Kojjiro! wrote:

i think you're just thinly veiling your complaints about sucking in fighting games Rolling Eyes

If anything, CAFs make fighting games easier for people who suck at fighting games, because your opponent can't anticipate your every move based on character selection and completely shut you down.

Joined: Feb 16 2008 Posts: 832

wouldn't that make fighting games less about memorizing move patterns and more about skill

Posted: Aug 13 2008 08:26 pm

I don't like them either just for the simple lack of creativity. I hate having to pick out from like 20 different hair styles, pants, mustaches, etc.

Joined: Feb 16 2008 Posts: 832

most caf's have more then 20 different pieces of equipment.

Posted: Aug 13 2008 09:02 pm

Kojjiro! wrote:

wouldn't that make fighting games less about memorizing move patterns and more about skill

Yes, but it also completely undermines the concept of the fighting game. It's no longer a fighting game so much as it is a fighting engine. I wouldn't be opposed to a fighting game based entirely on CAFs, but when you start inserting story-less characters into a game that's supposed to have its own history and canon, it becomes retarded.

Joined: Feb 16 2008 Posts: 832

i think cafs are pretty cool and can be especially v. rad

Posted: Aug 13 2008 09:24 pm

Let's agree to disagree.

Joined: Feb 16 2008 Posts: 832

how about you go die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: Aug 13 2008 10:39 pm

It's so FUNNY making Chunk Norgis Vs. Hilter!

Joined: Feb 16 2008 Posts: 832

haha
sarcasm man you're so hilarious i can't stop laughing bro

Posted: Aug 13 2008 11:24 pm

I just hope Smash Bros. never has CAFS....

Posted: Aug 13 2008 11:51 pm

Andrew Man wrote:

I just hope Smash Bros. never has CAFS....

That would suck. How would you even do that?

Joined: Apr 09 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3112

Miis, I guess.

Posted: Aug 14 2008 12:55 am

Fighting Miis? Sure, maybe in Wii Boxing, but that seems kind of lame.

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Wrestling Created Fighters were totally customizable too. I find the Styles approach annoying. Granted you have to pick a weapon or something, but this doesn't allow for full customizableness that you find in wrestling games since before the main way to play a game was a CD.

They've got a ton os kinks andtweaks to work out of their weapon system created programs.

Posted: Aug 14 2008 02:30 am

Greg the White wrote:

Miis, I guess.

Well the Mii could be a character without technically really being a CAF. They could give all Miis a universal moveset with moves derived from Wii Sports and even MK Wii, with the Mii simply beinga model swap. But that would still be lame.

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soul calibur handled it greatly. you pick from predetermined fighting styles, and level those up to unlock bonus spiffs (like HP+30 and shit like that) instead of picking individual moves. also, that could be shut off.

virtua fighter didn't have a create mode, just an option to customize outfits.

mortal kombat is a terrible franchise anyway.

try again, syd.

Posted: Aug 14 2008 03:41 am

Well... I liked creater a skater in the Tony Hawk games...

2010 SLF Tag Champ Joined: Jun 07 2006 Posts: 12294

Syd Lexia wrote:

Kojjiro! wrote:

wouldn't that make fighting games less about memorizing move patterns and more about skill

Yes, but it also completely undermines the concept of the fighting game. It's no longer a fighting game so much as it is a fighting engine. I wouldn't be opposed to a fighting game based entirely on CAFs, but when you start inserting story-less characters into a game that's supposed to have its own history and canon, it becomes retarded.

you do realize that these fighting games are based on tournaments usually?

it's entiely possible that there were other contestants in teh street fighter tournament besides the world warriors that had their fates intertwined. there were more than just the playable characters questing for soul calibur. there could have been other teams in KOF that didn't have anything to do with NESTS or the orochi, and were jsut competing to become KING OF THE FIGHTERS.

it's very easy to add people into the mythos without having to have them be seriously involved in the game's main story. soul calibur does a antastic job of this if you play the story mode with a Created soul.

2010 SLF Tag Champ Joined: Jun 07 2006 Posts: 12294

Syd Lexia wrote:

Kojjiro! wrote:

i think you're just thinly veiling your complaints about sucking in fighting games Rolling Eyes

If anything, CAFs make fighting games easier for people who suck at fighting games, because your opponent can't anticipate your every move based on character selection and completely shut you down.

a good player would know their character and what they are capable of and how to apply it, then they could spend a round feeling their opponent out.

Docinsano's Channel 63 · Posted: Aug 15 2008 01:59 pm

Anyone remember Fighter Maker? That game was amusing. I still can't figure out how to make your own moves. Dunno how old it is, it's for PS1 and made by agetec and while the graphics and sound were quite generic, the fighting had enough depth with all the styles to make it a decent multiplayer fighter.