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DarkMaze
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Well, essentially, yeah. But the reason the secret characters were palette swaps was to save space. By the time the next game would roll around, those characters had become popular, people wanted them to be playable, and there was more available space. So, rinse, repeat.
Nevertheless, it did get a bit out of hand by UMK3 and MKTrilogy. At least, however, those characters aren't merely palette swaps anymore. I still kinda miss the simplicity and coolness of the ol' MK1 costumes, though.
Fun fact (sorry, Tebor, borrowing your schtick): The original Lin Kuei costumes were made from prefab space man costumes.
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FNJ
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a set of sprites is a set of sprites.
wether you recolor an already existing character or draw all new sprites for your character, tehy're still gong to take up the same amount of space roughly, considering all MK characters are about the same amount of pixels and have about the same amount of sprites used for all of their moves. Having every character use the same SFX file in MK1 saved space, having the sprites shrunk down in shaq fu saved space, this did not.
it was laziness. it's was faster and easier to recolor a ninja, have them share moves, and not even have a storyline until being playable in a sequel, than it would be to make an entirely new, interesting character.
The allure of the secret characters was that they were so hard to see, so everyone was curious. it was more like "oh shit man, remember that badass guy that you had to play fifty rounds wihtout losing and hten press start when such and such happened under so and so conditions to fight, and then he would beat your ass real fast? yeah he's playable now!"
are you seriously going to try to tell me that human smoke isn't a pallette swap of scorpion in UMK3 and trilogy? same special moves, same combos, same victory pose, same everything. oh wait.. that's right... smoke is gray! he has those little smokelets coming off of him too!
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DarkMaze
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JEW wrote: |
are you seriously going to try to tell me that human smoke isn't a pallette swap of scorpion in UMK3 and trilogy? |
Of course he is, though I think he was also a little faster, too. In any event, characters like that are a novelty, and usually not meant as more than that till they get their own design and move set.
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FNJ
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human smoke was EXACTLY scorpion, except for maybe fatalities.
saying that smoke should be treated as a novelty only agrees wiht my point that nobody should give a shit about khamelion or chameleion or whatever.
chamelion only exists because the n64 is a crappier system than the playstaion. there are less female ninjas than male ninjas, so less special moves that need to be preloaded into the ROM.
and for hte record, ninjas like ermac and rain will never be anyhting more than a novelty. fuck man, ermac was originally jus a glitch in the first MK.
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Syd Lexia
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JEW wrote: |
human smoke was EXACTLY scorpion, except for maybe fatalities. |
Human Smoke was there as a mindfuck.
"I'll tell you what, I'm going to play as Smoke... psyche! I'm the second most broken character in the game!"
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Tebor
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All we're askin' is give ninjas a chance!
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DarkMaze
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HA! If there was an orange ninja, you could have a ninja rainbow.
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Tebor
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DarkMaze wrote: |
HA! If there was an orange ninja, you could have a ninja rainbow. |
Tremor? Nah, that would make things into a political commentary of alternate lifestyles. I'm not sure the ninja community has a definite position on the issue yet.
EDIT: But someone has!
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FNJ
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
JEW wrote: |
human smoke was EXACTLY scorpion, except for maybe fatalities. |
Human Smoke was there as a mindfuck.
"I'll tell you what, I'm going to play as Smoke... psyche! I'm the second most broken character in the game!" |
you can't really even have broken characters in that game. well, not in the extent that most fighitng games would have them. other than a freeze/spear/rain orb/ghost cloud/net/someother form of binding projectile infinite, I can't think of anything big.
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Char Aznable
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Ermac is the best ninja in any MK game!
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Tebor
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Char Aznable wrote: |
Ermac is the best ninja in any MK game! |
This is now the wacky MK Ninja photoshop thread apparently.
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Cattivo
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I liked Rain because of his lightning attacks. I haven't played any MK games since Trilogy though, so I have no idea what has happened to him since them. I remember his potrayal in the second MK movie was pretty poor, but everything about that movie was poor.
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Char Aznable
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Rain isn't in Deception, but he may be in Armegeddon.
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FNJ
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Tebor
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Cattivo wrote: |
I liked Rain because of his lightning attacks. I haven't played any MK games since Trilogy though, so I have no idea what has happened to him since them. I remember his potrayal in the second MK movie was pretty poor, but everything about that movie was poor. |
There was that mud fight... And when I get depressed I just watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3VxghGCoUs
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Rain isn't in Deception, but he may be in Armegeddon. |
May and IS.
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http://tehinter.net/articles/videogames/fivelamestfighters.shtml |
Ermac's just glad he was mentioned. That ninja is a press whore.
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FNJ
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Char Aznable
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I'm not talking about that Ermac (Classic Ermac), I'm talking about this one.
You know, the telekinetic, ass-kicking ninja.
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FNJ
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i don't see what's so ass kickign about taking a character that was flawed to begin with, and makign him look twice as stupid.
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Char Aznable
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Sub-Zero looks like fucking Shredder and you... no wait, I don't care. Ermac is my favorite MK character. I'm entitled to my opinion, and you're entitled to yours. End of argument.
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FNJ
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I won't argue with you about sub zero. he looks goddamn stupid. his old and frosty outfit from deadly alliance was my favorite to be honest.
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Char Aznable
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I'll agree with you on that one.
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FNJ
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let's agree to disagree...
ermac is gay.
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Char Aznable
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Tebor
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I didn't realize he was "out". Oh, well. Taste the rainbow.
Char Aznable wrote: |
I'm not talking about that Ermac (Classic Ermac), I'm talking about this one.
You know, the telekinetic, ass-kicking ninja. |
Midway is odd like that. They make the least favorite characters the most kick ass characters in their next game. Ermac became the best fighter in Deception, so that you could beat the game just using him in less than eight minutes. In MKA Stryker has become one of the best characters just because they made him faster and stronger.
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And, alas, Khameleon will not be on the roster (nor any version). A small, petty controversy that upsets only elitist MK fans. |
I was HOPING Khameleon would show up in the Wii version, but Midway announced that Khameleon will not be in ANY of the versions -Wii included. Unless they're bullshitting us, Khameleon will only be included only so much as being in the Konquest mode, if at all. |
*SPOILERS*
If Khameleon is in it, I haven't found her, but she is alluded to in Reptile's ending. In what way, I'll leave a mystery.
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FNJ
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sir!
stryker was always hte mostest amazingest cahracter evar!
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