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Pluto is no longer a planet.


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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Aug 24 2006 11:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Science is stupid.

Because of science, we have like 8,000,000 different variants of CSI.

Because of science, it takes 5 years to make an FPS because the programmers want the blood spray that exits a zombie when you shoot it in the head to be 100% realistic.

I mean seriously. Aside from renewable energy sources, computers, cars, television, video games, and medecine, what has science done for us?
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PostPosted: Aug 24 2006 11:49 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Wrote:
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Pluto is no longer a planet

Poor Tom Cruise, he cant go to his scientology meetings anymore.


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PostPosted: Aug 25 2006 07:07 am Reply with quote Back to top

did anyone make the "I thought pluto was a dog" joke yet?


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DarkMaze
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PostPosted: Aug 25 2006 10:07 am Reply with quote Back to top

Demoting Pluto from planet status also means that every sci-fi movie set in the future that mentions nine planets will now feel more dated than Pan-Am's existence in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
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PostPosted: Aug 25 2006 07:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It seems that most support for pluto remaining a planet is based on the idea of people not wanting to change. When science is not carrying out empirical tests its defining things. Planets had never been defined. Pluto was arbitrarily named a planet because someone fucked up and thought it was bigger than earth. To be offended that by a new definition robs it of its planetary status that it never really deserved and could not be kept without letting all manner of headache inducing celestial bodies into the fray, well, its just irrational.

Besides, its still a dwarf planet.


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PostPosted: Aug 25 2006 11:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

DarkMaze wrote:
Demoting Pluto from planet status also means that every sci-fi movie set in the future that mentions nine planets will now feel more dated than Pan-Am's existence in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Yeah, great! Now my "Animaniacs" soundtrack CD is dated!!!

[Track 11: The Planets (0:42)]

The second joke is obvious.


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PostPosted: Aug 26 2006 09:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

What bullshit. Far as I'm concerned, Pluto will always be a planet.


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PostPosted: Aug 27 2006 01:26 am Reply with quote Back to top

Chrisby wrote:
What bullshit. Far as I'm concerned, Pluto will always be a planet.


Because I am stubborn. Oh and I'm back.

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PostPosted: Aug 27 2006 06:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm thinking that people might have been pretty stubborn about the whole earth-is-flat thing too.

I'd hate to think that people have such trouble with this simply because it's contrary to what they've been told their whole lives. Because when popular opinion can start influencing established science, then it's possible that religion will start to do so as well. More than it already has, I mean.


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PostPosted: Aug 27 2006 07:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

There's no reason Pluto can't be a planet though. As someone said, it's an arbitrary designation. When someone claims that the Earth is flat, that's harmful because it's dangerously inaccurate information. If I want to argue that Pluto is a planet, I can do so because whether or not Pluto is a planet is based on semantics, not science.
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PostPosted: Aug 27 2006 08:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

People don't want to change...

Pluto had been ground into my head, your heads, your parents' heads, and your grandparents' heads. Now we have to UNlearn it. That sucks.

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PostPosted: Aug 27 2006 09:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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There's no reason Pluto can't be a planet though. As someone said, it's an arbitrary designation.

I think that one of the reasons people feel as though the criteria used to determine the designation is arbritary is because it can change. Fact is, as we are continually learning more and more about our solar system, this criteria is bound to change - which is to be expected (and encouraged!)

Another thing is the fact that the criteria for the designation isn't explicitly defined. But the people who work with a planetary model of the solar system are the ones who recognize that Pluto doesn't really fit into the role of a "planet" in such a model - and that including it for largely historic reasons doesn't reflect scientific progress.

Sorry to blabber on and on... Science major here...


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PostPosted: Aug 29 2006 09:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

We should allow Pluto to be a planet, but only if Mars foregoes it's planet status. Hell can have it. We're tired of sending doomguy every time some scientist has the bright idea of creating demonic portals.


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PostPosted: Sep 01 2006 06:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Scientists challenge Pluto's demotion
By Andy Sullivan


Hundreds of U.S. scientists have challenged a recent decision by an international astronomy group to strip Pluto of its planetary status with a petition rejecting its definition of what constitutes a planet.

The astronomical insurrection shows that debate is likely to continue over the status of the icy rock at the edge of the solar system that was considered the ninth planet until a vote last week by the International Astronomical Union.

Petition organizer Alan Stern said the union's decision was driven by politics, not science.

"The IAU can say the sky is green all day long and that doesn't make it so," said Stern, a planetary scientist at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado.

"The IAU created a definition which is technically flawed, linguistically flawed and scientifically embarrassing," Stern said in a phone interview.

The 300 astronomers and planetary scientists who signed the petition said they would not use the IAU's definition. Dissenters are organizing a conference next year to hash out a better definition, Stern said.

Pluto has been considered the ninth planet since it was discovered 1930. But the 2003 discovery of a nearby, larger body known as Xena prompted a reconsideration.

After rejecting a proposal to name Xena and two other bodies as planets, the IAU decided to downgrade Pluto and create a first-ever definition of what constitutes a planet.

According to the IAU, a body can be considered a planet if it orbits the Sun, is large enough to be made round by its own gravity, and has cleared the area around it of smaller cosmic objects.

That definition would exclude Earth and other planets that are pelted with asteroids, Stern said.

Others who did not sign the petition also criticized the IAU's decision.

"I'd like to see philosophers, writers and policymakers weigh in on this before we start rewriting textbooks," said Mark Bullock, also of the Southwest Research Institute.

One scientist involved in crafting the IAU's definition said other points of view were inevitable.

"There are many viable definitions for the word 'planet,"' said Richard Binzel, a planetary scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060901/sc_nm/space_pluto_dc
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2006 06:37 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Nice. This is like The Pluto Strikes back, the second movie in the series, where it ends on a total downer and pluto wins in the end. Except the jerks lose, not the good guys. Cool
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PostPosted: Sep 02 2006 12:51 am Reply with quote Back to top

I don't disagree that there are compelling arguments for either side of the debate... but I still think that Pluto doesn't really live up to being a "planet" the way that the others do.

The reason I said above that there is no explicit criteria for defining what is a planet is, is because - personally - I don't necessarily agree with the three points the IAU have laid out. To say that Pluto isn't round enough is nit-picking in my oponion, and I feel that the IAU are trying to merely establish very general criteria that won't easily be refuted by objects in other solar systems that are currently designated as planets. I don't think that roundness is a compelling reason to say Pluto is not a planet, however I think that there is a strong scientific basis to argue that it isn't - a scientific basis that is in no way related to any emotional attachment, or any personal system of beliefs.

I honestly feel that the real reason to argue that Pluto isn't a planet is because there are 30 years worth of Physics papers that have been published with the footnote *Except for Pluto, of course.


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PostPosted: Sep 02 2006 01:15 am Reply with quote Back to top

Pluto is like Puerto Rico. There's a lot of debate about exactly what it is, but no one ever goes there... except for aliens, but they tend to come here and probe us. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Sep 02 2006 04:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Okay, here's what I think should happen. They should make new planet criteria, but not interfere with planets already established within our solar system.

I think that solves the problem.


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