Richo Rosai wrote:

scamrock wrote: Also, just so you know, I never said it shouldn't be legalized. I just said in my personal experience, it fucks up people's lives. Well that's different, but you seemed to be pretty strongly implying it. scamrock wrote: ...spending the night in jail, getting fined, getting your name in the paper, having to face parents/family/friends isn't always a bad thing

I'm not saying it should be legal either. I have heard some compelling arguments both ways. I voted for option 3 based on my own experiences. If in your experiences, it hasn't been as bad, I can understand. But I feel like I have several reasons for being bitter. But in regards to my above comment, I said it "isn't always a bad thing." I don't think it is. I don't think it is always a good thing either. But if you are headed down the wrong path, sometimes getting busted (for anything, not just this) can make you rethink things. I really don't think anyone should go to prison. Now if you are a dealer selling to kids, that is a different story. But even if it was legal to use, most likely dealing it would still be against the law. I also know it can be used where it isn't bothering anybody. Its just in my experiences the bad stuff far outweighs the good.

Also, now that I'm a parent, I look at things a little different. For example, if I had to choose between my son using marijuana or not, I'm gonna choose for him not to. I don't care how harmless it can be. I know how harmful it can be. So I strongly prefer he never uses it. Now I'm hoping that since it is illegal, that alone will help keep him from doing it. So I don't have a problem accepting the current laws and using it to my advantage. But should it one day be legal, I'm not going to stand up and protest and tell everyone how fucked up things are now. I just won't have that to rely on when giving reasons why he shouldn't do it.

homefry25 wrote:

Does anyone else see being forced to take a drug test to get a job as kind of hostile? I mean, just because someone smokes pot doesn't mean he/she is going to go to work high, just like they probably won't come to work drunk. I agree with the opinion that what I do in my own personal time is my business as long as I'm not bothering anyone else. But I can respect that some people don't feel this way, and I actually have friends who don't smoke and I won't smoke around them.

Well, I dunno on this one. I agree with the drug tests. But that's because I live in the meth capital (or is it capitol? I never can remember the rule) of the world. But I agree that everyone doesn't go to work high. But a lot of people do. I used to work with a guy who was always high. The guys was fun as hell to work with, but when he was there, I had trouble getting my work done.

I have a funny semi-related story. When I was 20, I got a job at Movie Gallery. When I turned in my application, the manager says, "I really hope we can hire you."
I say, "Are people just not applying?"
She says, "They are. We get a lot of applications. But I can't get anybody to pass the morals test."
I say, "What's that?"
She says, "You know. Do you do drugs? Do you steal? Questions like that."
I ask, "People really answer yes to that kind of stuff?"
She says, "All of the time."

I can't believe that if you really wanted a job, you would admit to a potential employer that you steal and do drugs. Do they think lying on a app would be immoral? I don't get it. The only reason I can think of for that kind of shit is if you don't want a job, but have to put in so many applications in a certain time to retain your unemployment check.

ross_rifle113 wrote:

scamrock, you live in Chilliwack???

Okay, meth capital of the lower 48.

docinsano wrote:

homefry25 wrote: Does anyone else see being forced to take a drug test to get a job as kind of hostile? I mean, just because someone smokes pot doesn't mean he/she is going to go to work high, just like they probably won't come to work drunk. I agree with the opinion that what I do in my own personal time is my business as long as I'm not bothering anyone else. But I can respect that some people don't feel this way, and I actually have friends who don't smoke and I won't smoke around them. I find drug testing a violation of my Fourth Amendment rights. I shouldn't have to subject my piss to THC metabolite testing just to get a freakin job. And what about alcoholics or crackheads? They can flush that shit out a lot quicker than THC. Now, I can see being high on the job as being a problem, but piss testing doesn't dictate whether you're high or not, just if you've used in the past month. And then there's hair testing. It's all bullshit and I believe that it violates the 4th Amendment.

But in all fairness, it isn't about wether or not marijuana is bad or you will come to work fucked up. It is simply because it is illegal. If it was legal, it would most likely be a non issue. Even if I was a pot smoker, I wouldn't have a problem with drug testing. I'd know if I was planning on finding a job, most likely, I'm going to get tested. I just stop for a while until I have a job.

I know its not the same, but I hear a lot of the same kind of argument when it comes to criminal records. "Just because I was booked for petty larceny four years ago, you aren't going to hire me?" As a former supervisor in retail, I can understand both of the above policies.

GPFontaine wrote:

docinsano wrote: homefry25 wrote: Does anyone else see being forced to take a drug test to get a job as kind of hostile? I mean, just because someone smokes pot doesn't mean he/she is going to go to work high, just like they probably won't come to work drunk. I agree with the opinion that what I do in my own personal time is my business as long as I'm not bothering anyone else. But I can respect that some people don't feel this way, and I actually have friends who don't smoke and I won't smoke around them. I find drug testing a violation of my Fourth Amendment rights. I shouldn't have to subject my piss to THC metabolite testing just to get a freakin job. And what about alcoholics or crackheads? They can flush that shit out a lot quicker than THC. Now, I can see being high on the job as being a problem, but piss testing doesn't dictate whether you're high or not, just if you've used in the past month. And then there's hair testing. It's all bullshit and I believe that it violates the 4th Amendment. ... Guys, you are subject to take these tests as a condition that the business has set up, not the government. A company may impose rules and regulations about the conduct of their employees. That is their right. And if they choose to drug test, then that is their right. Now, you have the right NOT to apply. You could apply to a competing business or even start your own. The choice is yours and therefore this isn't a 4th amendment issue at all. No one is forcing you to do anything.

Also, if you take a drug test for an employer, you have the right to refuse. It may cost you your employment, but nobody is making you. Some people may think that is unfair. But I know if you get a job at Walmart, you have to sign a document saying something similar to the fact that Walmart reserves the right at anytime to terminate the employment with or without reason.