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Posted: Jul 01 2008 10:22 pm

I think if there was a way to easily test for Highness while driving this wouldn't be a problem legally. We all know that Pot reduces a lot of senses, induces a tired feeling, and what not. They have a legal limit of BAC you can have while driving. When your "high" there's no real distinction between 1 blunt and 2 blunts. It's never going to be legal here, that I can almost 100% garuntee.

Remember the slogan say no to drugs? How stupid would our schools and government look if they now had to adjust it to say "Say no to SOME drugs"?

I think there are positives with it legal and illegal, I used to smoke but I really couldn't stand what I was like when I was on it. Loud obnoxious, laughing hysterically...but I also had some fun too. Horse a piece really, no sense getting all riled up about it.

Posted: Jul 01 2008 10:30 pm

I have (had?) a friend who's a pothead. He was so sweet and fun before he started smoking pot... now he's the biggest jerk any of us know. He spends his days just giggling at anything and everything and doesn't really seem to care about much of anything. He's high so much we can't tell when he's stoned and when he's not. I stopped talking to him (like a lot of his friends did) and, of course, he didn't seem to care much about that, either. It's the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. I can't stand people who smoke marijuana, I can't stand the smell, I can't stand the hype about it. I enjoy experiencing life completely coherent and aware of everything (besides the occasional night of drinking). He's just coasting through life high as a fucking kite. Pot made him really fucking stupid.

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aika wrote:

Pot made him really fucking stupid.

Are you sure that stupidity didn't make him do pot?

I simply don't think that drugs are to blame for people's problems. They can cause trouble when they are abused, but that is the fault of the person doing them.

Posted: Jul 01 2008 10:53 pm

GPFontaine wrote:

aika wrote:

Pot made him really fucking stupid.

Are you sure that stupidity didn't make him do pot?

I simply don't think that drugs are to blame for people's problems. They can cause trouble when they are abused, but that is the fault of the person doing them.

Well yes, he was stupid to do pot in the first place, but it was love that led him to do it. He was infatuated with this guy and the guy did pot so he started it and.... yea. (Yes he's gay.)

Posted: Jul 01 2008 10:54 pm

Weiners strike again...

Posted: Jul 01 2008 10:57 pm

Douche McCallister wrote:

Weiners strike again...

What? Are you just being a douche again?

Posted: Jul 01 2008 11:05 pm

Theres like a 100% chance that the answer to your question is yes or no.

Posted: Jul 01 2008 11:08 pm

GPFontaine wrote:

I simply don't think that drugs are to blame for people's problems. They can cause trouble when they are abused, but that is the fault of the person doing them.

This.

Posted: Jul 01 2008 11:13 pm

"And, uh, my cousil Kent...um, my cousin Kendall from, uh, Indiana, he got high once and you know, he started eating like really weird foods and uh, and then he just felt like he didn't belong anywhere. You know, kinda like, you know, Twilight Zone kinda."

Posted: Jul 01 2008 11:18 pm

As some people can't hold their alcohol their are people who get to fucked up off of weed. There are different kinds of hi's and different levels. Some people laugh, some just smile, some get paranoid, some are quiet, and others are loud. People who say: 'weed fucked up their life' are just blaming it for their own negligence. Weed is not addictive; so if you knew weed fucks you up you shouldn't smoke it.

If they legalize marijuana it will still be illegal to grow weed. Therefore the goverment can't tax the shit out of weed because the illegal weed will be cheaper.

Posted: Jul 01 2008 11:25 pm

Quote:

Just as some people can't hold their alcohol, there are people who get too fucked up off weed. There are different kinds of highs and different levels. Some people laugh or just smile, some get paranoid, and some are quiet. Others get loud. People who say: 'weed fucked up my life' are just using it as a scapegoat for their own negligence. Weed is not addictive. If you know weed fucks you up, then you shouldn't smoke it.

If they legalize marijuana it will still be illegal to grow weed. Therefore the goverment can't tax the shit out of weed because the illegal weed will be cheaper.

Super fixed. it was kinda pissing me off lol. Good point though.

Posted: Jul 01 2008 11:27 pm

Let me salute you hitler_rifle113 Laughing

Posted: Jul 01 2008 11:28 pm

Posted: Jul 02 2008 04:51 am

The gang violence thing in my statement earlier included marijuana, but was not exclusive to. I think that most drugs should be legal. It's nobody's right to tell you what you can and can't put in your body. The same laws for driving have always applied to intoxication of any drug. I know when I was 15, it was much easier to get pot than alcohol. why? because it was illegal so dealers had no problem selling it to me unlike stores in danger of losing their license for selling alcohol to a minor. To reiterate: drug users are not going to stop using drugs because its against the law. Make mj cocaine and heroine legal, no more gangs and gang violence. I say this as a person who does not use drugs. look up the numbers ( I forget the exact) alcohol related deaths: 20,000+ marijauna: 0. Cocaine 400, heroine 200. This is annually. I don't know, I dont think it's our right to tell people how to live their lives if it has nothing to do with us. Also, when these drug laws were not in tact in the late 19th and early 20th century, nobody thought of these drugs as a big deal and the rate of abuse was negligible.

Posted: Jul 02 2008 05:06 am

"It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom, keep that in mind at all times."

Billy Hicklers

aika wrote:

I have (had?) a friend who's a pothead. He was so sweet and fun before he started smoking pot... now he's the biggest jerk any of us know. He spends his days just giggling at anything and everything and doesn't really seem to care about much of anything. He's high so much we can't tell when he's stoned and when he's not. I stopped talking to him (like a lot of his friends did) and, of course, he didn't seem to care much about that, either. It's the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. I can't stand people who smoke marijuana, I can't stand the smell, I can't stand the hype about it. I enjoy experiencing life completely coherent and aware of everything (besides the occasional night of drinking). He's just coasting through life high as a fucking kite. Pot made him really fucking stupid.

Okay, let's rewind a sec.

aika wrote:

I enjoy experiencing life completely coherent and aware of everything (besides the occasional night of drinking).

DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!

Except for the FUCKING OCCASIONAL NIGHT. So, replace everything, every word you said about pot with the word "alcohol" and stoned / whatever with "drunk". OH NO ALCOHOL IS BAD HURRRRRRRRRRRRR DERF DERF.

News flash: People are fucking morons and if they have substance abuse problems, it's THEIR fault, not the drug's. Weed is among the least offensive in terms of mental and physical debilitation caused from occasional use. If used sparingly, any drug (save for super hard bullshit like meth / coke / heroin) can be used by productive and intelligent individuals.

Case in point, my brother smokes weed and is in med school.

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Murdar Machene wrote:

Case in point, my brother smokes weed and is in med school.

Would you kindly let us know which one so that we can avoid being treated by a Machene.

Note: This has nothing to do with weed.

Posted: Jul 02 2008 09:45 am

Burt Reynolds wrote:

I don't know, I dont think it's our right to tell people how to live their lives if it has nothing to do with us.

See, I keep hearing this. But when you are close to people who have a drug problem, you don't think of it like that anymore. What you do on your own? Fine. But when you are making life difficult for more people than just yourself, it does become other people's business.

I have a son. When he gets older, I can't think of any situation where I would condone his use of marijuana or any other drug, legal or otherwise. But like I said, I've actually seen marijuana, not hard drugs, but just marijuana fuck up people's lives.

I like to drink beer. If that takes away my credibility or makes me look like a hypocrite, I really don't care. It's not going to make me change how I feel one bit. If you use it in moderation, and it isn't affecting anybody else, good for you. Keep doing what you are doing. I've just seen if fuck with too many people I'm close to. I don't wanna hear any shit about how it was there fault, not the drug. That doesn't change anything for me.

Posted: Jul 02 2008 10:33 am

I'm not really wanting to argue anything on this, mostly because I don't know much of anything about marijuana... never felt a need to. But I do know a few things from psychology.

1. There are little to no cannabinoid receptors in the brainstem, which means the crap in marijuana cannot interact with your brainstem, the area of the body that controls basic body functions necessary to survival: breathing, heart rate, etc, as well as things like pain reception and your levels of consciousness and alertness. Because it can't interfere with that stuff, you effectively cannot "overdose" on marijuana like you can on other drugs, like alcohol or cocaine, which do interfere with your brainstem. I guess in the short-term, this makes it safer than alcohol or cocaine which you can kill yourself with.

2. Marijuana basically works by the cannabinoids binding with proteins in the brain. Because those proteins are taken up by the cannabinoids, your brain cannot use that protein in the process of creating new synapses; in effect, it can "prevent" you from learning. I'm gonna guess this is where the whole idea that "pot makes you stupid" comes from.

I agree to an extent with Murdar; things in moderation used by a smart individual who doesn't abuse it will generally be okay. Doesn't mean I have to like it, though, and just like I wouldn't date someone who smokes cigarettes, I won't date someone who smokes marijuana.

Posted: Jul 02 2008 11:45 am

scamrock wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote:

I don't know, I dont think it's our right to tell people how to live their lives if it has nothing to do with us.

See, I keep hearing this. But when you are close to people who have a drug problem, you don't think of it like that anymore. What you do on your own? Fine. But when you are making life difficult for more people than just yourself, it does become other people's business.

I have a son. When he gets older, I can't think of any situation where I would condone his use of marijuana or any other drug, legal or otherwise. But like I said, I've actually seen marijuana, not hard drugs, but just marijuana fuck up people's lives.

I like to drink beer. If that takes away my credibility or makes me look like a hypocrite, I really don't care. It's not going to make me change how I feel one bit. If you use it in moderation, and it isn't affecting anybody else, good for you. Keep doing what you are doing. I've just seen if fuck with too many people I'm close to. I don't wanna hear any shit about how it was there fault, not the drug. That doesn't change anything for me.

This is true. But I don't think that other people should interfere with your personal affairs. People can make many legal choices that can effect lives around them, including alcoholism, but not limited to. Hell, deciding to become a truck driver can tear a family apart. My point is that it's not physically harming anyone but the person taking it (if in excess) and I think that the government should only protect our physical being as well as our property from damage.

Also, the people whose lives it effected that you know, did they not obtain the marijuana illegally? People who want to use or abuse drugs are going to get it anyway. If I had a friend that had a drug problem, the last thing I would want is to see them fucked up and in need of help sent to jail for smoking a joint.

I understand that drugs ruin lives, but I will never think it's the governments job to baby sit us.

EDIT: I had a friend who died of a cocaine and oxycontin overdose, so I know drugs ruin people, but still he was a grown man, and it was his decision, but so you know, I can sympathize with your situation.

Docinsano's Channel 63 · Posted: Jul 02 2008 12:53 pm

Alright, instead of trying to argue for total legality of pot, I am going to argue for the medicinal use of it. Cannabis is a wonderful medicine that treats many symptoms such as depression, PTSD, ad/hd, chronic pain (from AIDS, etc.), nausea and discomfort relating to chemo, cerebral palsy, and a myriad of other ailments that can relieved by its use. Now, there are synthetic THC substitutes availible, but studies say the extra cannabinoids in the raw plant work together better than pure concentrated THC. Plus, it doesn't make sense to take a pill to treat nausea. Eight states have laws intact for medicinal use already and it's about time it goes Federal.
Maybe I'm really not arguing a point here, but what I'm trying to say is that this whole country must be on drugs. Everytime I watch TV there's an advertisement for a new drug with new side effects, as well as the latest anti drug ad. A lot of people I know have been or are on meds. I've been on meds. I'm sure some of you here have been on meds. Sometimes people are prescribed multiple meds. Sometimes all of these meds can be replaced with Cannabis. So who cares if it's legal for medicinal use? If you've ever seen the documentary "In Pot We Trust" the saddest part to me is the woman with cerebral palsy. She has a hard enough life already with the symptoms of the palsy, and only pot seems to relive the stuttering, pain, and other symptoms.. Except in her state, it isn't legal for medicinal use, so she has to find her own on the street. And to top it off she has kids. If she ever got caught using her medicine, her kids would be taken away. This is bullshit. Marijuana is medicine and people shouldn't be denied access to medicine. Also I recommend anyone who is for or against the issue to see the documentary "In Pot We Trust" It covers a broad range of opinions on the subject. Well I've rambled long enough. Now it's your turn.

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Mitch wrote:

docinsano wrote:

not some lab created shit that may give people cancer

Pot won't give you lung cancer?

nope.

Posted: Jul 02 2008 06:20 pm

Burt Reynolds wrote:

If I had a friend that had a drug problem, the last thing I would want is to see them fucked up and in need of help sent to jail for smoking a joint.

I see what you are saying. But with the above quote, I agree to an extent. I don't want somebody like this going to prison. But spending the night in jail, getting fined, getting your name in the paper, having to face parents/family/friends isn't always a bad thing. Well, it is, but sometimes it can derail the habit.

I knew a guy who got high all of the time. His mom didn't have a clue. The first time she caught him with a joint, she turned his ass in. The judge asked him how much he paid for the joint. He told him he paid five dollars for it (I don't know how much really, I can't remember). The judge told him that now the joint had cost him $505. He said he would never pay that much for a joint again, and pretty much quit smoking pot altogether.

But then again, I've known repeat offenders who never learn their lesson.

As far as not hurting other people, I'm not sure its a good idea for people to be getting fucked up then hopping behind the wheel.

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scamrock wrote:

But when you are making life difficult for more people than just yourself, it does become other people's business.

But not strangers' business, and not the fucking government's business. If a pothead is living on your couch and laughing too hard, kick him out. Or whatever the problem is, deal with it yourself. You have no right to impose your small-mindedness on strangers.

scamrock wrote:

marijuana or any other drug, legal or otherwise. But like I said, I've actually seen marijuana, not hard drugs, but just marijuana fuck up people's lives.

I like to drink beer. If that takes away my credibility or makes me look like a hypocrite, I really don't care. It's not going to make me change how I feel one bit. If you use it in moderation, and it isn't affecting anybody else, good for you. Keep doing what you are doing. I've just seen if fuck with too many people I'm close to. I don't wanna hear any shit about how it was there fault, not the drug. That doesn't change anything for me.

Thanks for the laugh. Hard-headed people like you who ignore evidence that contradicts their flimsy preconceived notions are a big part of what is wrong with the world. To be brief: Alcohol is a drug too, and alcohol fucks up more lives than any other drug (unless one counts shortening lives (cigarettes) as a form of fucking them up).

If your friends could fuck their lives up with something as relatively harmless and non-addictive as pot then they deserved whatever fate befell them.

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Wait, hold on... marijuana ISN'T legal?! Shocked

I'll be back... just got to... fluuush... something... yeah.

Don't go anywhere.

Posted: Jul 03 2008 03:17 am

Richo Rosai wrote:

scamrock wrote:

But when you are making life difficult for more people than just yourself, it does become other people's business.

But not strangers' business, and not the fucking government's business. If a pothead is living on your couch and laughing too hard, kick him out. Or whatever the problem is, deal with it yourself. You have no right to impose your small-mindedness on strangers.

scamrock wrote:

marijuana or any other drug, legal or otherwise. But like I said, I've actually seen marijuana, not hard drugs, but just marijuana fuck up people's lives.

I like to drink beer. If that takes away my credibility or makes me look like a hypocrite, I really don't care. It's not going to make me change how I feel one bit. If you use it in moderation, and it isn't affecting anybody else, good for you. Keep doing what you are doing. I've just seen if fuck with too many people I'm close to. I don't wanna hear any shit about how it was there fault, not the drug. That doesn't change anything for me.

Thanks for the laugh. Hard-headed people like you who ignore evidence that contradicts their flimsy preconceived notions are a big part of what is wrong with the world. To be brief: Alcohol is a drug too, and alcohol fucks up more lives than any other drug (unless one counts shortening lives (cigarettes) as a form of fucking them up).

If your friends could fuck their lives up with something as relatively harmless and non-addictive as pot then they deserved whatever fate befell them.

I'm not going to argue with you about it. But I guess you missed where I said, "I'm not generalizing or saying this is always the case. But in my own personal experiences, this is just how it is."

Also, just so you know, I never said it shouldn't be legalized. I just said in my personal experience, it fucks up people's lives.