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Dumbest things directors have done.


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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Aug 02 2006 10:10 am Reply with quote Back to top

What are the biggest mistakes that you think directors have made over the years?

My first choice would be Ang Lee's decision to turn down Terminator 3 to direct The Hulk.
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PostPosted: Aug 02 2006 12:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Oooooooooooooo, good question. Also kinda hard because the first two that came to head were actually studio decisions.
Ronny Yun was forced to leave Snakes on a Plane because of his budget demands.
Michael Bay and Brett Ratner were both bumped off Superman by WB.

But the real winner is John McTiernan commiting Perjury to the FBI.


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PostPosted: Aug 02 2006 12:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I don't know... I think Rollerball is worse than lying to the FBI.
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PostPosted: Aug 02 2006 12:44 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
I don't know... I think Rollerball is worse than lying to the FBI.

Ha! I have to agree. And I'm a huge fan of McTiernan. The Thomas Crown Affair is my favorite flick.

I spent AGES trying to figure out why Rollerball was so bad. There's just no good reason for it. The source material was good (both the original short story and the original movie), and McTiernan had already brilliantly remade one of Norman Jewison's films already (see my favorite film, above). He KNOWS how to make awesome action movies. So what gave? I mean, Rollerball has an entire reel in crappy green nightvision!

The only thing I can come up with is that he wanted the paycheck.
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PostPosted: Aug 02 2006 12:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
I don't know... I think Rollerball is worse than lying to the FBI.

He's didn't get prison raped for making "Rollerball". He just got raped on the internet where all the pricks are small.

Worst of all, now he can't do Die Hard 4.0.


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PostPosted: Aug 02 2006 12:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

He was supposed to be sentenced on Monday, any word what he got?
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PostPosted: Aug 02 2006 01:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
He was supposed to be sentenced on Monday, any word what he got?

Neither CNN nor Variety has posted anything about it.


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PostPosted: Aug 02 2006 07:29 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think Stuart Baird's decision only to review the previous TNG films before directing Star Trek: Nemesis was pretty bad. It resulted in him not knowing important things about the feel of the show or the fact that Geordi was a human.

The very reason they got him was because he was an outsider to the franchise, and they had success when they did the same thing with Nicholas Meyer for Star Trek II, but they forgot that they had Meyer and Harv Bennett review every single TOS episode before diving into the Wrath of Khan. Directors and screenwriters need that basis of what happened before to perform their job adequately. Although, the screenwiter of Nemesis, John Logan, was supposedly a fan boy, yet he failed at every opportunity to connect his script to the TNG series by at least mentioning Lore, or Sela, or the fact that Spock was on Romulus advocating reunification. Then again, that didn't matter too much, considering the huge plot holes that overshadowed it.
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PostPosted: Aug 02 2006 08:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cattivo wrote:
Although, the screenwiter of Nemesis, John Logan, was supposedly a fan boy, yet he failed at every opportunity to connect his script to the TNG series by at least mentioning Lore, or Sela, or the fact that Spock was on Romulus advocating reunification. Then again, that didn't matter too much, considering the huge plot holes that overshadowed it.

First, I COMPLETELY agree with you. However, part of me wants to defend Logan. I'm not sure what notes he was given by the studio and I know his original script was much more faithful to TNG generation show/mythology, but most of it was cut (some was filmed and then cut. Wesley, I'm looking at you.). I'm also sure he wanted to "trim the fat" of the series' mythology to tell a certain story that canon would've prohibited him from doing so. I can sympathize with that.


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PostPosted: Aug 03 2006 10:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I definitely blame Baird more than I blame Logan. At least Logan actually tried. Plus, he wrote Gladiator. People don't seem to like that movie on repeated viewings though, but I still like it, probably because I like the history of the Roman Empire so much.

The studio probably did mess some of it up too, considering they advertised it as the long awaited Romulan movie, when they were only a minor detail in the plot. Instead we got movie cliche Remans who looked like vampire ripoffs from Buffy's final season.
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PostPosted: Aug 03 2006 10:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cattivo wrote:
I definitely blame Baird more than I blame Logan... The studio probably did mess some of it up too, considering they advertised it as the long awaited Romulan movie, when they were only a minor detail in the plot. Instead we got movie cliche Remans who looked like vampire ripoffs from Buffy's final season.

Aye, I know Baird is to blame for his cutting character scenes in replace of action scenes. He's said as much in interviews and the cast have said the same about him (namely Patrick Stewart). Paramount I'd like to blame, but I don't think I can. Usually, there's scandalous stories about executives cutting things left and right, but I heard most of the cutting on Nemesis was on Baird's part. I believe the studio just wanted a movie no longer than two hours. On the creative side of things, I think they left it open for Rick Berman to figure out.

I really shouldn't say "blame"... maybe they could've done better had things been different...


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PostPosted: Aug 04 2006 04:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Tebor wrote:
Aye, I know Baird is to blame for his cutting character scenes in replace of action scenes.


That unnecessary dune buggy scene with the crappy filter on the camera lense is certainly the famous unnecessary action scene in Nemesis that should have been cut instead of the Post-Reception Champagne scene between Picard and Data. I've seen people compare that to a what if scenario of cutting the Kirk/McCoy scene in the beginning of Wrath of Khan where McCoy gives Kirk his birthday present and they talk about getting older in StarFleet, and I would agree, it would be a similar situation.
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PostPosted: Aug 05 2006 12:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think that it sucked ass big time that Brettie boy directed Red Dragon.


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Juffo-Wup wrote:
I think that it sucked ass big time that Brettie boy directed Red Dragon.

Grrrrrrrrr Evil


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PostPosted: Nov 11 2006 02:53 am Reply with quote Back to top

hello?? can anyone say Jar Jar Binks??? or Episode 1 and 2????
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PostPosted: Nov 11 2006 06:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Oooooh, meesa can't believe me be forgettin' that one!


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PostPosted: Nov 12 2006 07:55 am Reply with quote Back to top

worst decision? dithing the original, GOOD script that made sense for AVP, in favor of anderson's piece of shit.


second worst? ditching romero's original, GOOD script that made sense for resident evil, in favor of anderson's piece of shit.


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Anderson himself is a giant walking pile of feces. Resident Evil sucked. Also, why the hell was Tom Cruise in the last samurai AS THE LAST FREAKING SAMURAI?!!


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Char Aznable wrote:
Anderson himself is a giant walking pile of feces.

Nonsense. http://imdb.com/title/tt0113855/
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His Resident Evil wasn't that bad. And it wasn't his fault Capcom fired Romero.

They should have stuck with the original script for AVP, but any AVP movie that got made would have been less than thrilling because the studio was hellbent on a PG-13 rating.
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Char Aznable wrote:
Anderson himself is a giant walking pile of feces. Resident Evil sucked. Also, why the hell was Tom Cruise in the last samurai AS THE LAST FREAKING SAMURAI?!!

Studio executives are quite positive that white people cannot empathise with another culture if you don't have a surrogate white man present. Its condescending to white people and insulting to the culture being portrayed.


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DarkMaze wrote:
Char Aznable wrote:
Anderson himself is a giant walking pile of feces.

Nonsense. http://imdb.com/title/tt0113855/

I was looking at the imdb of the guy who played Scorpion, only to find they're making a third MK movie. Sweet. Hopefully it won't suck as bad as the second one did.


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A Hispanic dude living in Arizona knows a lot of Latinas? That's fucking odd.

 
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Yeah, but they could've had Cruise in the capacity of the last samurai's american friend, not as someone who should be asian.


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PostPosted: Nov 13 2006 01:25 am Reply with quote Back to top

Char Aznable wrote:
Yeah, but they could've had Cruise in the capacity of the last samurai's american friend, not as someone who should be asian.


I think that this movie was well done, in that it was not trying to make us think that Cruise was an asian, but rather an outsider who learns of the asian culture and the traditions of the Samurai. In learning about their beliefs and culture he finds something within himself. (*PLAY CHEESY MUSIC HERE)

Though, this is a glorified work of fiction, as by the time the movie takes place, the Samurai class were curupted by power and wealth and they were holding down the other social classes knowing that due to western influence the samurai's fuedal control was over.

But, that's besides the point.

The Last Samurai is a bad example of the arguement, as it does not portray someone as being of a different culture. It that movie, they point out quite clearly that the character is from a different country. A better example would be something like the recently released "Marie Antoinette". This movie is the historical tale of an Austrian girl who marries into french royalty, and is played by an american actress. Needless to say, the French shat upon this movie.

Since this would be to us, like a movie about Abraham Lincoln starring Jet Li as Honest Abe.* Awhile back I saw a discussion regarding a "Romance Of The Three Kingdoms" Movie where many people said that it should cast big Hollywood celebrities to draw more interest and money into the film, while others argued that it would be wrong to cast american actors in the roles of historical Chinese figures.



*Though, I would go see that movie in a heartbeat. Jet Li rocks.
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PostPosted: Nov 13 2006 01:35 am Reply with quote Back to top

you know what i love about the second MK movie? how they had Ray Park(Toad, Darth Maul) as Raiden's stunt double, but didn't bother to dye his hair white, so Raiden's got dark hair when he's fighting but it's white during the rest of the movie
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