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Sequels you feel get unfairly shit on


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jprime
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PostPosted: Jun 04 2008 12:21 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm not sure if any of the replies this thread gets will be with sequels of your own, to say the least, but I have quite a few.

Superman III - I didn't know anyhing about this movie before I first watched it last year, but I wasn't turned off by it. I actually learned from it that there were synth sounds in country music back then, meaning that I might have actually enjoyed the genre had I been paying attention or even alive back then.

RoboCop 3 - I actually found this to be a perfectly satisfying conclusion to the series.

Alien 3 - This has more to do the SNES game than the movie itself, but I don't really mind the sight of bald chicks.

The Next Karate Kid - I think the main reason this movie is reviled is because Hilary Swank isn't Ralph Macchio.

Beverly Hills Cop III - I admit I've only ever seen the last 5-10 minutes of the movie, but I'm sure I wouldn't mind seeing the whole thing.

Honey, We Shrunk Ourselves - Ironic, isn't it. I can actually watch the threequel to the one movie I truly hate in its entirety. This movie is to me what The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past is to Valdronius: A third installment that fixed everything wrong with its early predecessor. Of course, it's still not funny, but at least it isn't very not funny.

Batman And Robin - This is the one I think I'm going to get lynched for. Neon Kabuki nightmare with obscene amounts of liberties taken with canon though it may be, I actually find this movie as entertaining now as I did during my younger, significantly more naive years. Besides, without Batman And Robin, we wouldn't have Batman Begins, now would we?

Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle - I really don't get when people call this movie a piece of crap. I like the intense, nigh-impossible action sequences and storyline.

Well, that's all from me. Now for your input, whatever it is.
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PostPosted: Jun 04 2008 12:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Alien 3 ruined Aliens, all that work they did too survive just to be killed without even a scene for them, jsut mention of them dying, or was it told via text? fuck that.


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DarkMaze
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PostPosted: Jun 04 2008 12:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

See, jprime, all you're really saying is that you like one particular thing about a movie. That doesn't make them good movies. Your Alien 3 comment is a perfect example. SNES game? Bald chicks? What the hell does that have to do with the content of the movie?

You "weren't turned off by" Superman III. WOW, that's a ringing endorsement right there. Glad that synthy country music saved the whole film.

Perhaps this topic should be "One or two things that didn't completely suck about godawful movies." Or maybe you should give better reasons why these movies don't deserve scorn.
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PostPosted: Jun 04 2008 01:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Predator 2 - Danny Glover was great in it, you got to see that Predator ship, Gary Busey crazy as hell, all in all great action as well

Back to the Future III - Not as good maybe as the other 2, but not terrible, and I like how it was open ended and the Doc had a new time machine out of the train, though it did pave the way for a really horrific CBS Saturday Morning Kids Cartoon

Revenge of the Nerds II : Nerds in Paradise - I know it may not be top quality, but booger being trained by a master, ogre going over to the nerds side, and Wormser rocking the wheels of steel, it is some hilarious entertainment

Conan the Destroyer - Arnie and Wilt Chamberlain in the same movie, hell Wilt should be his Lt. Govenor. Plus some bad ass scenes with Grace Jones, and then a drunk Arnie trying to teach the Princess how to wield his sword (quiet down you 12 year olds) only to fall over.

Caddyshack II - Again not as great as the first, but I love the, pull the arrow out of my ass part, as well as the part where he turns the place into a waterpark and minigolf, and the prick trying to date is daughter, Jackie Mason's that is, they turn the water off on the waterslide before he goes down, and hilarity at his painful expense ensues


Now if you want to shit on a sequel how about TeenWolf TOO or Grease 2
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PostPosted: Jun 04 2008 03:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

King wrote:

Back to the Future III

I was gonna say the same thing, its maybe not as good as the other two but it helps make the films complete and it was no where near as horrible as people say it is


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PostPosted: Jun 04 2008 05:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

DarkMaze wrote:
See, jprime, all you're really saying is that you like one particular thing about a movie. That doesn't make them good movies. Your Alien 3 comment is a perfect example. SNES game? Bald chicks? What the hell does that have to do with the content of the movie?

You "weren't turned off by" Superman III. WOW, that's a ringing endorsement right there. Glad that synthy country music saved the whole film.

Perhaps this topic should be "One or two things that didn't completely suck about godawful movies." Or maybe you should give better reasons why these movies don't deserve scorn.

I didn't realize the Ninja had a little Murdar rage in him! Laughing Very good points by the way. I was thinking the same thing.


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PostPosted: Jun 06 2008 02:11 am Reply with quote Back to top

The general public considers Back to the Future III to be the worst? I like it better than part II.
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PostPosted: Jun 06 2008 10:07 am Reply with quote Back to top

jprime, those are some pretty flimsy reasons to try to argue for those movies.

you only saw 5-10 minutes of BHC III and you feel all the crap everyone says about that movie is unjustified? thats pretty ridiculous in terms of trying to defend that movie. thats like saying i flew once on TWA and it didnt crash, so TWA never crashes. i know 3 islamic people who are very kind and gentle, so the whole nation of islam is very peaceful. you cant generalize anything by knowing a very small percentage of the whole.

batman & robin sucked ass. actually, it just sucked. cause if it had sucked my ass, i probably wouldve gotten some pleasure from it.

the next karate kid was terrible. just trying to cash in on a franchise thats old and beloved by old fans. and they even brought back pat morita for it, and even then he couldnt save it.

i never saw the 3rd robocop or the 2nd charlies angels so i have nothing to say against/for those movies


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PostPosted: Jun 06 2008 11:00 am Reply with quote Back to top

jprime wrote:
Batman And Robin - This is the one I think I'm going to get lynched for.

Gah...

This movie definitely was shit on for the right reasons.

A cast of at the time A-list celebrities made a mockery of one of the greatest comic book heroes of all time.



 
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PostPosted: Jun 06 2008 04:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm going to agree with every single movie from King's list. I'll also agree with Beverly Hills Cop from jprime's list. I'll also add Rocky V to the list.

I didn't know that there were people who didn't like Back to the Future III. I thought the whole trilogy was solid.

Also, I don't know if they get shit on or not, but I like the new American Pie movies. I can also dig some of the new National Lampoon's stuff.


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PostPosted: Jun 06 2008 04:29 pm Reply with quote Back to top

scamrock wrote:
I'm going to agree with every single movie from King's list. I'll also agree with Beverly Hills Cop from jprime's list. I'll also add Rocky V to the list.

I didn't know that there were people who didn't like Back to the Future III. I thought the whole trilogy was solid.


To be honest, it's the only trilogy (that hasn't had a forth sequel installed recently) that i believe is solid. In fact it plays out more as one long movie rather then a trilogy, which is rare to find in any movie franchise.


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ReeperTheSeeker wrote:
scamrock wrote:
I'm going to agree with every single movie from King's list. I'll also agree with Beverly Hills Cop from jprime's list. I'll also add Rocky V to the list.

I didn't know that there were people who didn't like Back to the Future III. I thought the whole trilogy was solid.


To be honest, it's the only trilogy (that hasn't had a forth sequel installed recently) that i believe is solid. In fact it plays out more as one long movie rather then a trilogy, which is rare to find in any movie franchise.


That's how I felt about it too. Any other trilogy I would have felt that way about has either added more movies, or I can't think of it right now off the top of my head.


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PostPosted: Jun 06 2008 04:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

naked gun trilogy. LOTR trilogy.


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username wrote:
naked gun trilogy. LOTR trilogy.


Naked Gun trilogy is good. But I don't hold it to the same kind of standards as I do Back to the Future. But it is refreshing. When I watch Naked Gun, Hot Shots, Airplane, or any of Mel Brooks' stuff, it makes me like these kind of movies again. Some of the new ones, while they still can be funny, are just getting old.

I'm sure LOTR is a great example. I can't say for sure though because I haven't seen all three. I have them all. But I can't find two of them, and I'm one of those who refuses to rent something I already own. So once I find them, I'll play catch up.


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Back to the Future is great for what it is...Part III is not a horrible movie, I just think people were getting tired of the series at that point. I love the trilogy but I found Part III to be my least favorite, but thats because the first 2 in my opinion were so damn awesome. Then they downgraded to the wild west. Never was a fan of cowboys and indians, hell I even boycotted Indian in the Cupboard when we were told to read it in Elementary School. Instead I read my TMNT: The Movie, book.


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PostPosted: Jun 06 2008 08:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I always thought that BTTF Part III was better than Part II.

Finally someone realized that Robocop III wasnt extremely terrible. Had Peter Weller been Robocop, it would have been at least pretty good. A lot of the lines in it and a lot of the plot was very uncomfortable and the guy who played Robocop played him as too much of a robot rather than Robocop learning to become Murphy.

The Naked Gun is an interesting anomaly. The first two movies and the first 20 minutes of the third film are great. There is just something about that last part of the third movie that is not good. I mean, I was bawling when I saw the first one for the first time and I chuckled a lot during the second, but the third was not good. It wasn't horrible, but it wasnt bad.


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Douche McCallister wrote:
Back to the Future is great for what it is...Part III is not a horrible movie, I just think people were getting tired of the series at that point. I love the trilogy but I found Part III to be my least favorite, but thats because the first 2 in my opinion were so damn awesome. Then they downgraded to the wild west. Never was a fan of cowboys and indians, hell I even boycotted Indian in the Cupboard when we were told to read it in Elementary School. Instead I read my TMNT: The Movie, book.

I love westerns but I too thought Back to the Future III was the weakest part. I think they just thought that they couldn't surpass all the intertwining of the different time lines in the second part, so they downgraded it, as you said, and went with the next best thing: to set the movie in a time they thought was interesting. Since they had already done the future and the recent past all they had left was going back further and in California that basically meant taking it to the wild west. Compared to the level of complexity of the second movie, that was kinda underwhelming.



 
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Tyop wrote:
Douche McCallister wrote:
Back to the Future is great for what it is...Part III is not a horrible movie, I just think people were getting tired of the series at that point. I love the trilogy but I found Part III to be my least favorite, but thats because the first 2 in my opinion were so damn awesome. Then they downgraded to the wild west. Never was a fan of cowboys and indians, hell I even boycotted Indian in the Cupboard when we were told to read it in Elementary School. Instead I read my TMNT: The Movie, book.

I love westerns but I too thought Back to the Future III was the weakest part. I think they just thought that they couldn't surpass all the intertwining of the different time lines in the second part, so they downgraded it, as you said, and went with the next best thing: to set the movie in a time they thought was interesting. Since they had already done the future and the recent past all they had left was going back further and in California that basically meant taking it to the wild west. Compared to the level of complexity of the second movie, that was kinda underwhelming.
well maybe individually III might not stand up as well with the other but if you look at the movies as one big picture as I think Robert Zemeckis intended then its a welcome part


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Optimist With Doubts wrote:
Tyop wrote:
Douche McCallister wrote:
Back to the Future is great for what it is...Part III is not a horrible movie, I just think people were getting tired of the series at that point. I love the trilogy but I found Part III to be my least favorite, but thats because the first 2 in my opinion were so damn awesome. Then they downgraded to the wild west. Never was a fan of cowboys and indians, hell I even boycotted Indian in the Cupboard when we were told to read it in Elementary School. Instead I read my TMNT: The Movie, book.

I love westerns but I too thought Back to the Future III was the weakest part. I think they just thought that they couldn't surpass all the intertwining of the different time lines in the second part, so they downgraded it, as you said, and went with the next best thing: to set the movie in a time they thought was interesting. Since they had already done the future and the recent past all they had left was going back further and in California that basically meant taking it to the wild west. Compared to the level of complexity of the second movie, that was kinda underwhelming.
well maybe individually III might not stand up as well with the other but if you look at the movies as one big picture as I think Robert Zemeckis intended then its a welcome part


That's how I feel. While it may not be as good as the other two, I still think its a good movie regardless. But yeah, as a whole its amazing.


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Everybody shits on the second and third Matrixes, but I didn't think they were that bad. There's no need for the underground rave sequence that goes on forever, other than to hint that Neo knocks up Trinity with super-babies, but she dies in the next one it doesn't matter anyways. But the fights are cool, you can't tell me the Neo against a dozen Smiths wasn't cool.


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The Neo/Smiths scene went on too long as well. The toher 2 movies sucked not because of the action but because of the ridiculously convoluted plot and the poor direction.


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I find that I have troubles with the direct sequels, but I usually enjoy the third installment of franchises. I really wasn't huge on X-Men 2, Spider-Man 2, Attack of the Clones, or The Two Towers, but X-Men: The Last Stand, Spider-Man 3, Revenge of the Sith, and The Return of the King made up for them.

The only franchise sequels that aren't like that for me are The Empire Strikes Back and Evil Dead 2.

Keeping on topic, Evil Dead 2 gets shit on because it's a rewrite of the first. Granted, that pissed me off at first too, but only because I had just finished the first one and wasn't expecting to watch the same movie again. If anything, the scenes with Ash's chainsaw hand are worth watching alone.


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Black Zarak wrote:
Everybody shits on the second and third Matrixes, but I didn't think they were that bad. There's no need for the underground rave sequence that goes on forever, other than to hint that Neo knocks up Trinity with super-babies, but she dies in the next one it doesn't matter anyways. But the fights are cool, you can't tell me the Neo against a dozen Smiths wasn't cool.


I love the highway scene in the second one.

Overall the second two movies made the overall point of the series very similar to a popular religion. It is a story we have all heard before, just not with lasers and robots.



 
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