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erock
Title: likes to party
Joined: Dec 21 2007
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RobotGumshoe wrote: |
Kubo wrote: |
The 7th Saga (SNES)- one of the most difficult and fun RPGs I've ever played |
You have to admit, the exponential difficulty curve will turn off a lot of people. I beat the game, but I'm masochistic, and I'm not sure I would play it again. |
im a level grinder by nature. being extremely cautious i over level like shit in pretty much all rpgs i play, just so the story will go a bit smoother. 7th saga was a bitch. the way the exp system was and the enemies were not in synch at all. with that said thats not the hard part of that game for me. it was he constant ally swapping. i think i redid my file like 4 times cause i kept making mistakes all over.
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Greg the White
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Most overrated would probably be Call of Duty 4. I know, I'm trying not to look like a "I'm cool cause I hate popular things," guy, but I genuinely didn't like it. Auto-aim in multiplayer, cliche story (people from cold place sell nukes to people from hot place), obnoxious difficulty due to always being surrounded by super-sniper enemies with grenade launchers for arms, and the fact that it just played exactly like Call of Duty 2 in a new time zone just made me feel like I was playing the second one again.
Most underrated I've played would be Skies of Arcadia. I got tired of JRPG's on my SNES, so I was hesitant to pick it up. To this day it's my hands down favorite game because of its great characters, cool setting, air combat, and the fact that it was a pretty wide-open game for its time with the discovery system and all. Unfortunately, it was overlooked because it was released around the same time Grandia 2 and Phantasy Star Online released. And with the Dreamcast's popularity declining, it stood even less of a chance of getting out there. It's still the only JRPG I can play to this day, though.
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erock
Title: likes to party
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because the phrase jrpg exsists there must be non japanese rpgs. honestly i cant think of any off the top of my head. maybe kotor jade empire. they were ok i guess. they just didnt have the epic feel i like from " jrpgs". by the way how come other categories of games are not categorized by japanese and american? jplatformers sounds stupid.
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FNJ
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Greg the White wrote: |
Most overrated would probably be Call of Duty 4. I know, I'm trying not to look like a "I'm cool cause I hate popular things," guy, but I genuinely didn't like it. Auto-aim in multiplayer, cliche story (people from cold place sell nukes to people from hot place), obnoxious difficulty due to always being surrounded by super-sniper enemies with grenade launchers for arms, and the fact that it just played exactly like Call of Duty 2 in a new time zone just made me feel like I was playing the second one again.
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I actually agree with you here.
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Greg the White
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erock462 wrote: |
because the phrase jrpg exsists there must be non japanese rpgs. honestly i cant think of any off the top of my head. maybe kotor jade empire. they were ok i guess. they just didnt have the epic feel i like from " jrpgs". by the way how come other categories of games are not categorized by japanese and american? jplatformers sounds stupid. |
JRPG's are kind of their own thing. They're typically just all similar to Final Fantasy, where you guide some anime-inspired characters through turn-based battles to collect upwards of up to six multi-colored crystals or some such thing. Western RPG's are typically more like things like Ultima, KOTOR, Elder Scrolls, etc. The only difference are minor style differences.
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crookshow
Title: Donkey Kong Savage
Joined: Mar 29 2008
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The KOTOR games were fuckin awesome, though the ending of KOTOR2 was a bit of a letdown. Regardless, they're quite possibly my favorite RPGs since the SNES era. Jade Empire and Mass Effect, on the other hand didn't do it for me at all, even though I was hugely hyped for both. The storylines came off as too generic and the turn based combat in KOTOR just worked so much better than half assed fighting and third person shooter mechanics used in the other games.
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Syd Lexia
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Title: Pop Culture Junkie
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Ultima, D&D, Diablo, and Baldur's Gate are probably the best known Western RPGs.
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Bluey
Title: 99 Beserkers
Joined: Jul 18 2007
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Bard's Tale, Nox, and Dungeon Siege 2 are really good as well.
In fact, Nox is a pretty underrated game in itself. People wrote it off as another Diablo clone, but it was much more than just that. It had an interesting (albeit silly) story that gave your adventure a sense of purpose from the get-go. Its magic system was also the best I've ever seen in an action RPG. It was intuitive and easy to use, and all the spells were actually useful. Nox came out just as Westwood Studios was being gutted by Electronic Arts so it didn't really get the exposure it should've gotten.
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My Sydapedia page lists my game collection and friend codes, if you're interested. |
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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
Joined: Sep 01 2007
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Am I the only one that thought Grandia II was an excellent game?
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crookshow
Title: Donkey Kong Savage
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Blackout Boy wrote: |
Am I the only one that thought Grandia II was an excellent game? |
I liked it quite a bit myself. Skies of Arcadia was also awesome. I had both on dreamcast, R.I.P.
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Valdronius
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Blackout Boy wrote: |
Am I the only one that thought Grandia II was an excellent game? |
I didn't really like it, I found some plot progression hard to believe and didn't really like any of the characters. I'm very demanding of my RPG characters.
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A Hispanic dude living in Arizona knows a lot of Latinas? That's fucking odd. |
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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
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Valdronius wrote: |
Blackout Boy wrote: |
Am I the only one that thought Grandia II was an excellent game? |
I didn't really like it, I found some plot progression hard to believe and didn't really like any of the characters. I'm very demanding of my RPG characters. |
Yeah they were a bit generic, but I liked the story they were placed in, even if it was a bit on the fantastic side. The graphics were grerat though and I loved the combat system.
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Jaguar
Title: Armed to the teeth
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Einhander for the PS1 definitely deserves more attention than it got. It is a very fun side-scrolling shooter and I recommend it to anyone who can actually find a copy of it.
Hypersonic.xtreme, a futuristic racer, is also fairly underrated. While it does have it's problems, the track-customization options make up for it. The physics need some work, and the music could be slightly better, but it's still a good game at the least.
Because I started off with the shitty console version, I was misled that Command and Conquer III was overrated. When I bought the PC version (with the expansion pack), the game was much, MUCH more fun.
I am never buying another RTS game port ever again (unless I'm absolutely desperate). That genre is best left on the PC.
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StompStomp
Joined: Mar 03 2008
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I always thought diablo 2 was way over rated, I loved the first one but then when my friends got into the 2nd one I was completely turned off of the character classes. I maybe played 2 for an hour and a half tops.
The worlds most under rated snes rpg of all time is robotrek. That game is so good and such an interesting take on the basic ideas of an rpg. It did have a shitty translation and a weird bottleneck that stops most players but those issues aside, it's super fucking good and I recommend it to anyone.
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erock
Title: likes to party
Joined: Dec 21 2007
Location: Phoenix. its hot outside
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Greg the White wrote: |
erock462 wrote: |
because the phrase jrpg exsists there must be non japanese rpgs. honestly i cant think of any off the top of my head. maybe kotor jade empire. they were ok i guess. they just didnt have the epic feel i like from " jrpgs". by the way how come other categories of games are not categorized by japanese and american? jplatformers sounds stupid. |
JRPG's are kind of their own thing. They're typically just all similar to Final Fantasy, where you guide some anime-inspired characters through turn-based battles to collect upwards of up to six multi-colored crystals or some such thing. Western RPG's are typically more like things like Ultima, KOTOR, Elder Scrolls, etc. The only difference are minor style differences. |
you seriously fail. you stated that you got tired of jrpgs on your snes. thats fine and dandy but you do realize that jrpgs have progressed far past that right? this isnt 1995 anymore. almost every jrpg that i have bought for the ps2 is in real time or battle initiated real time. Series like Tales star ocean the dark cloud .hack have all gone way beyond that. in fact even mainstays like final fantasywild arms and breath of fire have tuned into more action oriented gameplay. you really need to get out from under your rock kid.
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Syd Lexia
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Greg the White wrote: |
JRPG's are kind of their own thing. They're typically just all similar to Final Fantasy, where you guide some anime-inspired characters through turn-based battles to collect upwards of up to six multi-colored crystals or some such thing. Western RPG's are typically more like things like Ultima, KOTOR, Elder Scrolls, etc. The only difference are minor style differences. |
I think it's unfair to refer to Final Fantasy as a JRPG. If you look at the early Final Fantasy games, they are firmly rooted in Western mythology. It isn't until FF6 and FF7 that the series truly starts to get Japanese-y. You want an NES JRPG? Play Destiny of an Emperor. Games don't get more Asian than that.
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erock
Title: likes to party
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
Greg the White wrote: |
JRPG's are kind of their own thing. They're typically just all similar to Final Fantasy, where you guide some anime-inspired characters through turn-based battles to collect upwards of up to six multi-colored crystals or some such thing. Western RPG's are typically more like things like Ultima, KOTOR, Elder Scrolls, etc. The only difference are minor style differences. |
I think it's unfair to refer to Final Fantasy as a JRPG. If you look at the early Final Fantasy games, they are firmly rooted in Western mythology. It isn't until FF6 and FF7 that the series truly starts to get Japanese-y. You want an NES JRPG? Play Destiny of an Emperor. Games don't get more Asian than that. |
half the enemies in final fantasy seemed based on d and d stuff to me.
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Greg the White
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
Greg the White wrote: |
JRPG's are kind of their own thing. They're typically just all similar to Final Fantasy, where you guide some anime-inspired characters through turn-based battles to collect upwards of up to six multi-colored crystals or some such thing. Western RPG's are typically more like things like Ultima, KOTOR, Elder Scrolls, etc. The only difference are minor style differences. |
I think it's unfair to refer to Final Fantasy as a JRPG. If you look at the early Final Fantasy games, they are firmly rooted in Western mythology. It isn't until FF6 and FF7 that the series truly starts to get Japanese-y. You want an NES JRPG? Play Destiny of an Emperor. Games don't get more Asian than that. |
I need to retract and revise my previous statement, then. The "J" in JRPG doesn't really speak about a game's "Japanesiness," more than a style of RPG that has been adopted by a large number of Japanese RPG developers. Final Fantasy may have been rooted in Western D&D-style games, but many Japanese (and some American) companies pretty much just copied the games and the "J" was added to said descendants of the FF style.
Also, I wasn't really big on Grandia 2. I realize the combat system was pretty fun, but the game threw you a lot of brick walls with the boss battles. Mixed with the 10-minute, unskippable/unspeed-upable dialog sequences about the power of the human heart wore me pretty thin. It's not bad by any stretch (I especially loved Ryudo's dialog and aforementioned combat system), I just grew tired of it pretty quickly. Also, games with characters that will take control away from you when a character does a special move piss me off (Yes, even FF7, especially when Vincent used a fire attack on a fire-absorbing enemy).
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erock
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Greg the White wrote: |
(Yes, even FF7, especially when Vincent used a fire attack on a fire-absorbing enemy). |
then thats your own fault for using that limit. ff6 had 2 characters. 3 if you gave gogo rage. its not hard to remember what char does what when he's all bes out.
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FNJ
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vincent had terrible limit breaks.
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Smurfsrdead
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Err... sorry for changing the subject?
But the Pocky and Rocky series is one of the MOST underrated series in my opinion. The first two games were a blast (even Kiki Kaikai on the Taito collection is fun), which is a shame considering the shit storm that is Heavenly Guardian.
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
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Smurfsrdead wrote: |
Err... sorry for changing the subject?
But the Pocky and Rocky series is one of the MOST underrated series in my opinion. The first two games were a blast (even Kiki Kaikai on the Taito collection is fun), which is a shame considering the shit storm that is Heavenly Guardian. |
i only played the one that was on the sega channel and that was a blast man.
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Mr. Bomberman
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Speaking of Sega Channel-only games, Pulseman is too underrated. Whoever didn't play it must play it. I even wrote a review on it on this forum, like, years ago.
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