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GPFontaine
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Syd's post about hating the Wii VC got me thinking about where consoles will eventually go with their technology.
My prediction for Nintendo's Entertainment Center (Not Hand Helds, which will simply become cell phones.. the end):
Wii + 1 Generation (3-4 years)
The next generation console won't be too revolutionary compared to the Wii. I expect the graphics to bump to HD, the media to go to Blue Ray, an entertainment integration will happen making the system more similar to the XBOX. The VC will be easier to navigate and credit cards will be allowed.
Funny enough at the same time that the Wii is playing catch up on visual technology, the XBOX and Playstation will be focused on catching the Wii's interactivity.
You will see all 3 companies stealing each other's ideas at this point.
Wii + 2 Generation (4-8 years)
You won't be going to the store to buy games any longer. Media will be a thing of the past. Piracy won't be an issue because you will be downloading your games from Nintendo and they will be content protected based on your system's serial number and your account. This becomes the moment where you thank god for buying stock in Nintendo. Without piracy being as big of a deal and without media eating money away, they make their stock holders SO happy with huge profits.
I expect XBOX and PS to continue to sell through physical means because I think they are more likely to feel compelled by companies like Walmart to have a physical product on the shelves. Nintendo won't give a fuck. They never do. Still, the problem is that you will be downloading the game to your solid state hard drive.
Wii + 3 Generation (8-12 years)
Say goodbye to hard drives. You will be streaming your data 100% wirelessly. Nintendo will stream game content and saves as you call it through the menu systems. The systems will have RAM & ROM for interfacing, but other physical media will be gone. Still, your system will need to process the data, so a console will be needed.
Wii + 4 Generation (12-14 years)
You will buy a little device that attaches to the TV (Thought I am guessing the TV will have it embedded) and you will just need a control unit. The game, processing, saves, and data throughput will all be handled via network. When you make changes they will be processed on remote servers. There is no longer a console, there is just a really fucking fast Internet connection. You don't need a console, you just need an account.
This is about the time that the Terminator kills John Connor and Syd Lexia must lead the resistance.
In 14 years if it doesn't happen, then you will thank me for being crazy. But when it does happen, remember who is psychic.
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Red_Mage
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Forgive me, but speculating what comes down the road 3-5 years, much less 8 - 12 is absolutely ridiculous.
12 years ago, must of us were still playing Playstations...
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Syd Lexia
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I like having a disk. I like having a shelf full of games that people can look right when they walk into my living room. Physical copies > digital copies.
I AM DEFINED BY WHAT I OWN!
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FNJ
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agreed.
hell, half the time if I download something I burn it to CD anyway.
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Laminated Sky
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Char Aznable
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Steam is the best all-digital download service I can think of, and Steam fucking sucks. It's a lot better now, but uninstalling it two years ago bricked my comp.
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scamrock
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
I like having a disk. I like having a shelf full of games that people can look right when they walk into my living room. Physical copies > digital copies.
I AM DEFINED BY WHAT I OWN! |
I agree. When people say the future of movies will be via downloads to your computer, I hope they are wrong. I like actually being able to take my movies over to other people's houses. I also hate watching tv/movies on my computer.
I'm the same way with games. I like actually having it. If this is the future, it will be harder to borrow, loan, rent, sell games. You can't loan/borrow games because it will seem like you are getting getting free games from your buddies system. You won't be able to sell a game (think XBox Live Arcade/Nintendo Virtual Console). There will be no more finding steals at yard sales. No more ripping off your friends by trading some basketbal cards for their Mario RPG game.
You won't even be able to show off your collection without turning on the tv and showing them. I like actually having my games out in plain sight. That way, I don't have to brag or show, they just see it when they walk in. "Holly shit! Look at all the games!!"
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GPFontaine
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Red_Mage wrote: |
Forgive me, but speculating what comes down the road 3-5 years, much less 8 - 12 is absolutely ridiculous.
12 years ago, must of us were still playing Playstations... |
Of course it is speculation... unless it it came from a premonition. I had a vision and it told me...
This is what I think will happen.
In 1995 I said that USB ports would be put on the front of PC's because it was stupid to put them just in the back.
In 2002 I said that by 2009 we would have computer screens that were so thin that they could be applied to things with glue like stickers. Next year you keep your eyes open and you'll see what OLED is all about.
Do I think I'm going to be exactly right? No. I'm not a fortune teller (even though that is a hell of scam). I do think that I read a LOT of stuff about science and technology, and I am a creative person. If only I had 10 grand to solidify a patent on some shit.
12 years ago I had no interest in a Play Station because I was busy playing Warcraft II, Gemstone, Duke Nukem while wishing my computer was cool enough to have a pipeline burst.
Only time will tell, but I bet I'm not so far off in 12 years.
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Syd Lexia
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Although I don't like a lot of your predictions, I do think they're highly feasible. However, I am hesitant to accept the idea of a drive-less console. Games that are only playable while they're being streamed directly to you at high speeds are a terrible idea. We can't be so dependent on the internet, because when service goes down, that's one more thing you can't do.
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Char Aznable
Title: Char Classicâ„¢
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I can see it happening, but on the other hand I can't. It all depends on how much people want their disks VS downloads.
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Knyte
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With mass storage technology growing in size and speed and dropping in price, I think an internal Hard Drive will be standard on all new console from here on out.
1. You need it for downloadable content. If your direct distrabution theories become true, you will need the hard drive to store the games you buy.
2. Consoles becoming multimedia centers. Microsoft is already toying with the idea of giving the x360, Tivo-like abilities. I think this may become a future trend as well. Not only can you download games to play on your consoles, but rent/buy movies & television shows as well.
3. Offline playability. I think if you had to be connected to the companies' "Online Communities" to play games, there will be a huge backlash from customers. Just because many homes in the US have high speed internet connections, doesn't mean that folks in places like Eastern Europe and Asia will as well. You could still hard code "fingerprints" into each download so that they only play on the system they were purchased for without needing to be online to verify.
Taking the security measures a step further, here's my IDEA of what would be great in a next-gen console, but probably won't happen:
The console comes with a appropriately sized HD. (say 2 Terabytes or so.) It also has the ability to link up with either flash drives or network with a PC to transfer files, so you can make backups and such. Finally, the security system for the downloads would be something like this:
When you purchase a game online, the game file (let's call it a .GAM file.) is customized before you download it. A key is created based on your account info, your hardware's serial numbers, and a random key that is generated. The game will always work on your system, whether you are online or not. You can now take this .GAM file and burn it onto a BDR, (Recordable BluRay Disc) to make a hardcopy backup. If you reinstall it on your system later, it just works, plain and simple. Now let's say that you give that disc to a friend. (They can install that game on thier system, but since the security numbers don't match up, it becomes a time restricted demo. (Say 24 hours.) After that time, the game will no longer play, even if you uninstall and reinstall it. (This is because, after it fails the key check, it creates an encyrpted and hidden file on your system that says that you have already demoed this game. It doesn't matter if you try someone elses copy, it still will not work. (Each game will have an ID tag assigned to it.) Now, let's say you want to buy the game, because you really enjoyed the demo. When you go to purchase the game online, it will check for one of these "Already Demoed" files, and delete it, if it exists on your system. Repeat process.
I'm not saying that this will eliminate piracy by any means. Every time they make a better security system, someone creates a better crack. That's just how technology works. But this will make it a hell of alot harder to do. Because everytime you play a game, it will 1st look to see if the game's ID matches your system's ID, then loads. If it doesn't match, it will next look for the "Demoed" file, and see if you still have time left. If not no go, all you get is a link to buy the game.
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Douche McCallister
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So basically your saying GameFly and renting games will be done for, As well as pretty much every video game store unless they sell old school stuff? Direct streaming isn't necessarily a bad idea but I think the back up copy thing would be a bad idea. Basically I could never borrow my friends game or take a game I own to a friends house unless I brought the whole thing with me. I hope to god it never comes to this...
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Knyte
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That's the thing. You COULD still rent them, and you COULD still loan them to friends. I'm just suggesting either a time limit, or a set number of plays before the game locks.
Used stores on the other hand would have issues. But, then again, the console makers and software devolpers HATE them anyways. Why? Because, they don't get any profit off of used game sales.
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Asmodeous667
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There is one fatal flaw in your idea. There is always the issue of your console bricking. Ala Xbox360 RRoD. If your console frys you would be screwed when you got your shiney new console and all the sudden you had nothing but alot of "demos" burned to disk. I can see work arounds to this like what microshaft does with the live arcade, but then you would be stuck having to stay online whenever you wanted to play. And as Syd said, "We can't be so dependent on the internet, because when service goes down, that's one more thing you can't do."
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GPFontaine
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Tying an account to a physical device isn't a problem.
The account would be managed remotely by the service providing company.
If the device were to become unusable the tie between the account and device could be removed.
The account could then be tied to any device that did not already have an account associated with it.
The key is 1 account per 1 device. Never more on either side.
This is done all the time with scientific equipment in labs that require dongles. Also another example would be Microsoft's Product Activation.
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GPFontaine
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
Although I don't like a lot of your predictions, I do think they're highly feasible. However, I am hesitant to accept the idea of a drive-less console. Games that are only playable while they're being streamed directly to you at high speeds are a terrible idea. We can't be so dependent on the internet, because when service goes down, that's one more thing you can't do. |
I agree with your feelings about this. I wouldn't want it to go this way, but I do think that is how it will be.
Terminal emulation is going to ruin everything.
The capacity to deploy the video streams is already available, look at HD Video coming from cable providers, that is all the bandwidth you need for a console visualization to be shown.
When you play video games on a server, your actions are cached locally but your opponents need to go through the server, as that time is reduced you will find that your own actions will just be calculated on the server to reduce the chances of cheating.
I would go as far as to say that you will pay a price for a game as well as a subscription fee to be able to hook into the system.
Like I said, it isn't want I want. It is where technology is going and games are at the forefront of tech.
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