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Poll :: FFVII

Awesome Game
92%
 92%  [ 13 ]
Not a fan
7%
 7%  [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 14


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Asmodeous667
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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 05:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I rember when FF7 came out. It was the reason I got a playstation in the first place. The day of its release I ran from store to store untill I found a copy of the game and the system.... That was a very lonley month locked up in front of the television.....


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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 06:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Asmodeous667 wrote:
I rember when FF7 came out. It was the reason I got a playstation in the first place.

You and everyone else. If Nintendo and Square had been able to reach an agreement and FF7 had come out on the N64 instead, we might still be living in a Sega vs. Nintendo market.
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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 06:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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Asmodeous667 wrote:
I rember when FF7 came out. It was the reason I got a playstation in the first place.

You and everyone else. If Nintendo and Square had been able to reach an agreement and FF7 had come out on the N64 instead, we might still be living in a Sega vs. Nintendo market.


I don't know about you, but I'm glad that deal fell through. I think Sony on it's own did better than they ever would have if the deal would have gone through with Nintendo.


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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 06:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well, yeah. If Sony and Nintendo had released the Playstation as a SNES peripheral, it would have tanked like Sega CD and that would have been the end of Sony's foray into the gaming market.

But I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about Square's decision to rely heavily on FMV in FF7, which eventually led them to release FF7 on the PSX instead of the N64. FF7 sold a lot of PSX units and it's hard to imagine the PSX succeeding without it.
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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 06:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I fully agree with you on both counts. But I think that even without FF7 on the PSX the system could have stood on it's own, it just would have had a launch like a turtle. Kinda like sony has with the PS3 though.

As for the usage of FMV in FF7, I enjoyed every minute of that every time I've played through the game. It may look quite dated now but I still think the quality of the work put into it shows through. I don't even want to think what it would have been like if it would have ended up on the N64, sends shivers down my spine to even think about it.


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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 07:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Asmodeous667 wrote:
I don't even want to think what it would have been like if it would have ended up on the N64, sends shivers down my spine to even think about it.


I don't know if this is common knowledge or not, but there was apparently a demo made for a Final Fantasy game using N64 hardware.

Article including screenshots and video here: http://lostlevels.org/200510/
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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 07:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Even without FFVII the PlayStation would have done just fine, RPG's dont make a console (for me they do, thats why im not huge in to XBox) . You had the Saturn which produced nothing worthwhile, then you had Nintendo which was pretty much for kids (lets be honest) then you had the PSone which everyone else looked at.


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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 07:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

FF7 was a great game, and revolutionary for it's time...

Thought it has it's flaws, overall was a great game.


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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 08:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Douche McCallister wrote:
Even without FFVII the PlayStation would have done just fine, RPG's dont make a console (for me they do, thats why im not huge in to XBox) . You had the Saturn which produced nothing worthwhile, then you had Nintendo which was pretty much for kids (lets be honest) then you had the PSone which everyone else looked at.

I remember Christmas 97 and i can tell you that particular rpg made the console. What other game would have tipped the edge? The only thing at that era that i can think of is RE2 and it was eventually ported over.

The minigames were the best so far. They didnt force the issue like the card games and were varied and easy to learn. In fact most of them could have been games themselves that i would have bought. Especially the sub game. Most of my faults are minor. Stuff like the equipment. Im a stickler for weapon shield helmet armor and accessory. Also i enjoy 4 player parties, dunno why but i do. I don't know about Cloud being emo but it is sorta boring to listen to him whine and complain. Hes more emo like.
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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 08:21 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Well, yeah. If Sony and Nintendo had released the Playstation as a SNES peripheral, it would have tanked like Sega CD and that would have been the end of Sony's foray into the gaming market.

But I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about Square's decision to rely heavily on FMV in FF7, which eventually led them to release FF7 on the PSX instead of the N64. FF7 sold a lot of PSX units and it's hard to imagine the PSX succeeding without it.


I think that alucard and solid snake disagree with you.

besides, sony had tons of promotional deals to get people interested. you couldnt order a pizza or a hamburger without getting some sort of demo cd back then.


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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 08:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

JEW wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
Well, yeah. If Sony and Nintendo had released the Playstation as a SNES peripheral, it would have tanked like Sega CD and that would have been the end of Sony's foray into the gaming market.

But I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about Square's decision to rely heavily on FMV in FF7, which eventually led them to release FF7 on the PSX instead of the N64. FF7 sold a lot of PSX units and it's hard to imagine the PSX succeeding without it.


I think that alucard and solid snake disagree with you.

besides, sony had tons of promotional deals to get people interested. you couldnt order a pizza or a hamburger without getting some sort of demo cd back then.
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MGS was a great game but it didnt move system. And SOTN was a successful game bit according to this http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/video/history_castlevania/p11_02.html
it didnt have the knockout blow that ff7 had on the system wars. People bought the console just for that game. It seemed like every kid at school came back from christmas break in early 98 with a psx and ff7.
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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 09:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The N64 had a fantastic launch and if they had been able to keep that momentum with third party support, they could have beat Sony.

Also the original Playstation was a piece of crap. It wasn't until the revised PSX model that the system was truly viable.

The FMV in FF7 was truly groundbreaking. You can love or hate it for ushering in the era of cinematics as a substitute for gameplay but FF7 had plenty of gameplay. And arguably the game didn't just save Playstation, it saved the industry. Consumer confidence in the industry was low as hell as that point. The SNES had been the last system to catch on. The Saturn had failed. The Jaguar had failed. The CDi had failed. The 3DO had failed. There simply wasn't any incentive to buy a new system. Then came Final Fantasy 7. It redefined people's expectations and gave them something to be excited about.
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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 09:37 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I honestly was never that interested in the first Playstation. I had owned my SNES for years, and I just hated the jagged pixels of the PS1, and the controllers for Playstations had been hell on my arthritis (born with those problems). It also seemed that no matter how clean someone was, the Playstations were always covered in dirt, grime, and dust.

I do have to give credit where credit is due. The Playstation really saved the video game industry at the time. The industry had basically belonged to Nintendo for ten years, and its shares were gonna get bigger due to all of the tanking systems at the time. The Playstation brought in new competition to the industry, and managed to allow an open market for Microsoft to enter the fray.

Syd's right too, as the Playstation really needs to thank FFVII for its success and survivability. Up to that point, most of the games weren't terribly impressive, and the sales were modest. FFVII sold like crazy, and sales of the PS one went up with them. No game system survives without that first great title. The Nintendo would have tanked without Mario, the Genesis would have tanked without Sonic, Halo and Xbox, etc, so you really have to appreciate FFVII's impact on the industry.


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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 09:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
The N64 had a fantastic launch and if they had been able to keep that momentum with third party support, they could have beat Sony.

Also the original Playstation was a piece of crap. It wasn't until the revised PSX model that the system was truly viable.

The FMV in FF7 was truly groundbreaking. You can love or hate it for ushering in the era of cinematics as a substitute for gameplay but FF7 had plenty of gameplay. And arguably the game didn't just save Playstation, it saved the industry. Consumer confidence in the industry was low as hell as that point. The SNES had been the last system to catch on. The Saturn had failed. The Jaguar had failed. The CDi had failed. The 3DO had failed. There simply wasn't any incentive to buy a new system. Then came Final Fantasy 7. It redefined people's expectations and gave them something to be excited about.


Playstation had a great launch, the games were typically $20 less than 64 games so that is one of the primary reasons. So I can't imagine with games like Twisted Metal and Wipeout (In their prime) and all the Namco support, that Sony had any worries. Now had Nintendo ditched the cartridges things would be hella different now. But as we can all see we know who is laughing last.

Back to the main point, I wish I could find another "FFVII" to play, there really hasn't been any game (besides Crisis Core) where I felt the need to start playing it as soon as I woke up, or a similar feeling.


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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 10:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
The N64 had a fantastic launch and if they had been able to keep that momentum with third party support, they could have beat Sony.

Also the original Playstation was a piece of crap. It wasn't until the revised PSX model that the system was truly viable.

The FMV in FF7 was truly groundbreaking. You can love or hate it for ushering in the era of cinematics as a substitute for gameplay but FF7 had plenty of gameplay. And arguably the game didn't just save Playstation, it saved the industry. Consumer confidence in the industry was low as hell as that point. The SNES had been the last system to catch on. The Saturn had failed. The Jaguar had failed. The CDi had failed. The 3DO had failed. There simply wasn't any incentive to buy a new system. Then came Final Fantasy 7. It redefined people's expectations and gave them something to be excited about.

I agree. The n 64 was super strong that first year or two with games like Mario 64 Goldeneye wave race and shadows of the empire selling extremely well. But also you gotta remember the marketing. Blockbuster and Ninetendo really blitzed the industry. I remember every blockbuster had those little playable n64 stands. And not the type that just reset every 30 seconds. Full playable games.

Most of the first ps1 games were super choppy and pixelated. The yjust didnt look as good as some of the new n64 games.
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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 10:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

erock462 wrote:
Blockbuster and Ninetendo really blitzed the industry. I remember every blockbuster had those little playable n64 stands. And not the type that just reset every 30 seconds. Full playable games.

And don't forget the special version of Clayfighter 63.5 that was only available as a Blockbuster rental.
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PostPosted: Apr 23 2008 10:37 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Fuck, I forgot about ClayFighter!


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BlackWings wrote:
Douche McCallister wrote:
BlackWings wrote:
Douche McCallister wrote:
I definitly agreed with the length of Summons gripe, but I thought it was awesome the first couple times I saw it. The game would be flawless in my book if you could skip the Summon Animations. So as of now it only gets like a 9.85 out of 10.


YOU CAN SKIP THE SUMMON ANIMATIONS. CHECK THE MENU...


I was talking about VII not X.



So was I... Check the menu...


Maybe I'm being stupid or blind but what the hell are you talking about?


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PostPosted: Apr 24 2008 07:13 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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Back to the main point, I wish I could find another "FFVII" to play, there really hasn't been any game (besides Crisis Core) where I felt the need to start playing it as soon as I woke up, or a similar feeling.

Thats it exactly. The game is great not because of its perfect storyline or graphics, but I remember getting the game, and playing it till 4 in the morning only to wake up @ 8:00 to continue on. The story was good and kept me interested in what happens next, the music was excellent and the graphics were good for the time, even though I too am playing it now again and i'm not bothered by them. The minigames and sidequests were great, I actually wanted to do them, rahter than just doing it to say i did everything. xII had potential, but they had about 3 minutes of story in between about 4 hours of fighting the same fucking monsters over and over. I didn't mind the change in battle system, just hated how much you had to fight.
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PostPosted: Apr 24 2008 07:54 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
The N64 had a fantastic launch and if they had been able to keep that momentum with third party support, they could have beat Sony.

Also the original Playstation was a piece of crap. It wasn't until the revised PSX model that the system was truly viable.


Ummm..... Which revision are you talking about?

SCPH-
1001
5001
5501
7001
7501
9001
101

I have had all of these revisions at some point. (I have 3 7501s at the moment. They are my prefered system, as they are the last revision that still has the parallel port.)

1001 - (Easy to spot, as it is the only one that has seperate RCA plugs on the back, instead of the Sony proprietary adapter plug.) had a crap CD-ROM, and a few design flaws. This is the system that everyone had to run on it's side or upside down.

5001 - The AV ports have been removed, and the CD-ROM has been moved to the right side of the unit. A much better revision

7001- The first version to come with Dual-Shock controllers, a few minor hardware tweaks, nothing major.

7501 - A few minor hardware revisions. My personal favorite, as it was the last one with a parellel port. (Which I use for "Game Enhancer" cartridges that allow the playing of backups without the need to modchip.)

9001- A much better CD-ROM, and some cost reductions. (Including removing the before mentioned parellel port.)

101 - The tiny white one.
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