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Lady_Satine
Title: Head of Lexian R&D
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Location: Metro area, Georgia
PostPosted: Aug 16 2013 12:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

So I just read this article where Jennifer Hepler ("Hamburger Hepler" to some trolls), the writer for a lot of Dragon Age II, just quit Bioware (including her work on DA: Inquisition) because some assholes issued highly-detailed death threats against her children ( http://metro.co.uk/2013/08/16/bioware-writer-quits-after-death-threats-to-family-3925970/ ).

The recent kerfuffle with Phil Fish is one thing, but shit like people issuing a death threat over a tweak to Call of Duty or, in this case, threatening an industry member's family (rather than the person themself, which is still abominable) makes me wish I could just slap the shit out of some punks. I want to tell them that there are far more injustices in this world, both in size and scope, than something wrong with a form of entertainment whose current business models are threatening to implode/crash the industry.

On a tangential note, I consider the shit that happened to LoL player Justin Carter to be a different case. Justin had no intention, or serious motive, of going through with his (admittedly dark) trash talk.


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JoshWoodzy
Joined: May 22 2008
Location: Goshen, VA
PostPosted: Aug 16 2013 02:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, I already said so on Facebook but this is a sensationalized bag of shit. First off, it's an article from Metro, which is owned by the same company as the fucking Daily Mail, basically the Enquirer for the UK. Second, it took an extremely well written article from Polygon and twisted it. Here is the actual article:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/15/4622252/plague-of-game-dev-harassment-erodes-industry-spurs-support-groups

A quote from Hepler herself:

"When asked if the harassment led to her depature, Hepler told Polygon "No, leaving Bioware was for family reasons. I am going to be working on a text book on narrative design among other game-related freelance projects."

I am in no way saying that death threats are okay obviously, but neither is shit reporting and sensationalizing situations to bring out the white knights from everywhere. The XBOX One team received death threats on a daily basis, George Lucas got them from fans because of Episode 1, the fucking Call of Duty team gets them because they got gun details wrong. Why is this any different, and why aren't we talking about those?

I'm kind of tired of the whole social justice movement that attaches on to something like this, ignoring every similar situation in the past, especially when it comes to women. Yes it sucks, no you're not a special snowflake for pointing out that it happens, it's been going on since the entertainment industry was invented. And since men were the primary leaders in those fields back in those days, they received the brunt of the abuse. Now that women are also receiving abuse, it's cause for campaigns and articles and hashtags and tumblrs about it? Give me a break.


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Bob Dylan`s Blues
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PostPosted: Aug 16 2013 05:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

A lot of this stuff is overblown. The internet has made it easier to talk crap so a lot of people do. My advice is to shut down your twitter and facebook pages if you don't like others being able to pull crap like this. People need to stop making themselves so available to the world.
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Probable Muppet
Joined: Aug 05 2008
Location: CA
PostPosted: Aug 21 2013 02:38 am Reply with quote Back to top

No, she was a c-word, if that is what it took to get her to quit then good. did I say c-word i meant CUNT. my bad, welcome to the internet...

good riddance.
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Vert1
Joined: Aug 28 2011
PostPosted: Aug 21 2013 04:18 am Reply with quote Back to top

Whatever it takes to get better made games, right? Right.........? Fuckin internet tough guys.

Quote:
A Japanese gamer has been arrested by Metropolitan police after making several threats to fire-bomb the headquarters of Japanese videogame company Hudson Soft.

The 29-year old gamer is still unnamed, but apparently worked as a courier in Kanagawa Prefecture, Japan, says Kotaku.

The suspect allegedly started threatening Hudson Soft as early as October 2008, with aggressive letters to the developer and publisher continuing until January 16th 2009. In the letters the suspect threatened to bomb Hudson's headquarters a total of 11 times, saying in emails that he would send a letter bomb to the company unless 80 trillion yen was bought to JR Takamatsu Station, near where the suspect worked.

The reason for all the commotion and threats was apparently that the suspect was disappointed with the poor quality of recent Hudson games and he felt his views were not being taken seriously.

In a signed affidavit the suspect admitted to making the threats and said, "I did it because I posted my demands concerning the games, but the games didn't improve."


http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2009/02/02/bomber-tries-to-destroy-hudson-soft/1


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Probable Muppet
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PostPosted: Aug 21 2013 11:12 am Reply with quote Back to top

Not about internet tough guys, I didn't threaten her kids. and really, they were never in danger, but if that's the way you see it, Fucking White Knights.

It's not about her being a woman, it's about her making posts on the internet proving how terrible she was at her job.

I am sure my opinion is unpopular. I'm just stating it, not going to argue. I'm done.
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Lady_Satine
Title: Head of Lexian R&D
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PostPosted: Aug 21 2013 02:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7955-Im-Going-To-Murder-Your-Children

A summary:
One writer can indeed be the cause and embodiment of all that's wrong with video games. For example, we'll likely be getting Beyond Good and Evil 2 next week with her departure. It's not like we need good writers, and dedicated writers rather than developers stringing a shit plot together at the last minute.

Not that Hepler was good, she wrote some things that you thought were the things that weren't good so she should be punished for going beyond and outside the common consensus. That's how you reward someone for trying, make them fear for their safety.

This entitled shit has got to stop; yes, entitled. If you respond to a developer for something you dislike by bullying and dogpiling him with crap, you are fucking entitled.

Go ahead and compartmentalize that this sort of harassment and unfettered abuse is okay all you want, but it isn't. You think Hepler's replacement is eager to fill her shoes given how some people reacted to Hepler's work? Hell no!


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PostPosted: Aug 21 2013 02:37 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Okay then. I did not personally take part in threatening her in any way. But it happened and the result was she quit, she did it to herself and the "internet" responded.

I find it quite amusing, I am glad she is gone. She wants a skip the gameplay button then she can go write fan fiction I wish her luck doing so but be she has no place in the game industry.

Call me entitled. Do you think I give a fuck?
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PostPosted: Aug 21 2013 04:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I gotta agree with Sathien and Vert. That is fucking disgusting, and no, I'm not just saying that because she's a woman. This applies to anyone who has to go through this. Not liking a developer and even insulting them is one thing, but threatening their lives is way WAY over the line and completely unnecessary. Threatening the lives of their kids is just fucking disgusting and these kind of people make me not want to live on this planet anymore.


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PostPosted: Aug 21 2013 04:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

[quote="Probable Muppet"Call me entitled. Do you think I give a fuck?[/quote]
No, but I think you should.
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JoshWoodzy
Joined: May 22 2008
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PostPosted: Aug 21 2013 07:21 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, I smell lots of angst in here. It's gross.

Do I care about the lady's job and the work she's done? Not particularly, nor am I even that aware of it. Do I think she deserve to get harassed? Not in the slightest. I guess it's more of an adult thing to not wish death or harm upon them because of fucking video games.


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Probable Muppet
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PostPosted: Aug 21 2013 08:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

wow ok then.

Once again I did not threaten her fucking kids lives, nor hers. Jesus...

I'm sorry, I'm done defending myself.

lol, it's been fun...
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HardcoreGamer4Ever
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PostPosted: Aug 21 2013 10:59 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Probable Muppet wrote:
wow ok then.

Once again I did not threaten her fucking kids lives, nor hers. Jesus...

I'm sorry, I'm done defending myself.

lol, it's been fun...


If that was directed towards me, I never blamed you personally or even at all. I just simply said I agree with Sathien and Vert.


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Probable Muppet
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PostPosted: Aug 21 2013 11:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

No it was not directed towards you.

apologies
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