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Posted: Jul 22 2013 08:11 pm

So for those that are unaware, Atlus' umbrella company is going into bankruptcy and will likely be selling off its different spokes, including Atlus. Given the recent love Nintendo has shown Atlus, could it be possible that Big N has its sites set on the company behind Etrian Odyssey, Shin Megami Tensei, and a couple other awesome RPG IPs? I mean there's even the impending Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem next year.

http://mynintendonews.com/2013/07/22/nintendo-to-acquire-atlus-in-parent-company-bankruptcy-auction/ wrote:

Nintendo could be shaping up to purchase Atlus after their parent company hit serious financial trouble, according to a rumour. It has been previously reported that Index Corporation is moving to sell off its subsidiaries in an auction taking place on July 28, with Atlus as one of them. But a new report from International Digital Times suggests that Nintendo could be a forerunner into acquiring the Shin Megami Tensei developer, due to both companies working closely together on new titles such as Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem and the recently released Shin Megami Tensei IV. Is this a likely deal?

International Digital Times wrote:

“The single most likely bidder for Atlus in the Atlus bankruptcy case is Nintendo. As a matter of fact, I’d like to suggest that a Nintendo-led acquisition of Atlus may actually have been in the works for some time. That’s because Nintendo has been working unusually closely with Atlus lately, treating them practically like an in-house studio. That may be because Atlus is about to become one.”

Posted: Jul 23 2013 04:57 am

This would definitely benefit Nintendo. It would certainly benefit the WiiU by giving it JRPG exclusives that hardcore RPG fans would buy like crazy. The 3DS would be benefitted too. In the end, this is a win-win for Nintendo.

Posted: Jul 23 2013 09:32 am

It also gives them a way to release localized games that Nintendo wouldn't typically want associated with their brand without putting the Nintendo name on them.

It also gives them a way to release mobile phone games without putting their core IPs on mobile phones. Putting Mario on iOS doesn't make great business sense for Nintendo, but putting SMT on there might.

Posted: Jul 23 2013 01:50 pm

I honestly hope they don't and someone else who publishes to all systems buys them. We really don't need more system exclusive games, especially in the RPG market which is hard to find decent games in anyway.

Posted: Jul 23 2013 05:01 pm

I really hope they do. Cross-platform games are lame. I miss the good 16-bit era when almost nothing good was cross-platform.

Posted: Jul 23 2013 05:14 pm

The good 16-bit era was the best console war we ever had. Both sides were on equal ground and had plenty to offer that the other didn't. The growing tendency toward multiplatform compliance is making all of the consoles increasingly redundant.

On topic, some have pointed out that Nintendo buying out Atlus would make fans of non-Nintendo Atlus games--Persona in particular--really upset. To that, I say screw them. What this generation needs more than anything else is more uniqueness between each console (second parties being one of the best sources for this) and it's not like they're the only purveyor of JRPGs and other quirky Japanese stuff for multiple platforms. Sony has had enough Persona games and Microsoft doesn't want them. (Catherine doesn't count.) Let Nintendo have a few, huh?

Posted: Jul 23 2013 08:11 pm

Nintendo and Sony should team up and making Super Smash Bros VS Playstation All Stars.

Posted: Jul 23 2013 08:23 pm

Beach Bum wrote:

I honestly hope they don't and someone else who publishes to all systems buys them. We really don't need more system exclusive games, especially in the RPG market which is hard to find decent games in anyway.

I respectfully disagree. I'd love to see more exclusives on all consoles. I'm kind of getting tired of 90% of games being multiplatform, especially since most of the time Nintendo doesn't get those games.

Posted: Jul 23 2013 09:14 pm

Right on, Logan.

And I agree with Excel. Here's the Sony fan cycle if Nintendo buys Atlus and Persona 5 is WiiU exclusive.

1. Anger
2. Tweet
3. Tweet
4. Depression
5. Tweet
6. Tweet
7. Tweet
8. Tweet
9. Tweet
10. Purchase WiiU

Posted: Jul 23 2013 10:56 pm

Logan wrote:

Beach Bum wrote:

I honestly hope they don't and someone else who publishes to all systems buys them. We really don't need more system exclusive games, especially in the RPG market which is hard to find decent games in anyway.

I respectfully disagree. I'd love to see more exclusives on all consoles. I'm kind of getting tired of 90% of games being multiplatform, especially since most of the time Nintendo doesn't get those games.

I'd rather just buy one system each gen and be able to play most of the games because dropping 400 dollars on an Xbox, 400 on a Playstation, and 250 on a Wii is fucking stupid, especially when two of the systems are useless and sit there collecting dust since I only needed them to play a handful of games each and one of them is pretty much utter garbage anyway since it'll probably overheat if I play it too long. If I could have just bought a PS3 and been done I would have, certainly would have saved me a lot of frustration, a lot of money, and a ton of dusting.

You can't really even complain about Nintendo not getting those games because you can't expect a publisher to have to redesign a game entirely so it can use some gimmick controls and run on an underpowered system like the Wii. The lack of third party support is entirely Nintendo's own doing and the reason I'm not going to buy a WiiU regardless of if they acquire Atlus or not. All the SMT games seem to be coming out on the 3DS anyway so why bother with another gimmicky underpowered dust catcher?

Posted: Jul 23 2013 11:48 pm

Fuck man, you don't need to buy every console or play every game. You wanted to play those games, and if you enjoyed them then fuck giving a shit about saving money, as you'd probably blow way more than that on shitty junk food in a year that you definitely don't need. I hate hearing people complain about saving money because in the end, what exactly are you saving it for? To spend on something else you probably don't need. Go fucking figure. People sure have some retarded logic when it comes to saving money.

Posted: Jul 24 2013 12:16 am

Well, since Atlus published some of Nintendo's creations in the past in the US, I think it's a good idea.

Edit: Crap, I thought Atlus published more Nintendo-developed games. I've noticed that they only seemed to publish Cubivore.

Posted: Jul 24 2013 04:20 am

@om*d wrote:

Fuck man, you don't need to buy every console or play every game. You wanted to play those games, and if you enjoyed them then fuck giving a shit about saving money, as you'd probably blow way more than that on shitty junk food in a year that you definitely don't need. I hate hearing people complain about saving money because in the end, what exactly are you saving it for? To spend on something else you probably don't need. Go fucking figure. People sure have some retarded logic when it comes to saving money.

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Posted: Jul 24 2013 05:37 am

They can't make Persona an Nintendo exclusive. It's one of my favorite games. It has also it's tradition on Sony consoles, starting from the PS1 going to the PS3.

Posted: Jul 24 2013 08:13 am

i'll_bite_your_ear wrote:

They can't make Persona an Nintendo exclusive. It's one of my favorite games. It has also it's tradition on Sony consoles, starting from the PS1 going to the PS3.

If Nintendo buys Atlus, of course they can.

Even if they don't, third parties under no obligation to release games on your favorite console or release games exclusively on your favorite console.

Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, and Tekken. All games that helped define the Sony brand. All games that are no longer a special selling point for PlayStations.

Speaking of "tradition", pretty sure that was my argument with Final Fantasy VII circa 1997. You'll get over it.

Posted: Jul 24 2013 09:32 am

i'll bite your ear wrote:

They can't make Persona an Nintendo exclusive. It's one of my favorite games. It has also it's tradition on Sony consoles, starting from the PS1 going to the PS3.

Persona is only a spinoff series. Let's take a good look at the headcount of which console every SMT game and all of its spinoffs have been on.

Sony 22 games.
(SMT 1, SMT 2, SMT If..., Soul Hackers, Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers, DDS 1 and 2, both of the Raidou Kuzunoha games, Devil Children: Red/Black/White, P1 [PSX and PSP], P2: Innocent Sin, P2; Eternal Punishment, P3, P3 FES, P4, P4 Golden, and P4 Arena)

Nintendo 26 games
(Megami Tensei 1 and 2, SMT 1 and 2 [each on both the Super Famicom and GBA), SMT If..., Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers, Devil Survivor, Strange Journey, Jack Bros, Majin Tensei 1 and 2, Revelations: the Demon Slayer [GBC] aka Last Bible [GB], Last Bible 2, Another Bible, Last Bible 3, Devil Children Red/Black/White, Devil Children: Card Summoner, DemiKids, Devil Children: Puzzle de Call, Devil Children: Messiah Rider)

Sega 6 games
(SMT 1, Soul Hackers, Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers, Ronde, Revelations: the Demon Slayer, Last Bible Special)

Microsoft 3 games
(Giten Megami Tensei, P4 Arena and SMT: NINE)

NEC 2 games
(SMT 1 and Giten Megami Tensei)

And the PC in general gets one entry for the MMORPG, SMT: IMAGINE.

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Beach Bum wrote:

The lack of third party support is entirely Nintendo's own doing and the reason I'm not going to buy a WiiU regardless of if they acquire Atlus or not.

Wii U is 80% a first party game machine. If you don't like Nintendo games, fine, no biggie, but why even tell us that you're gonna buy it or not? We give negative shits.

Posted: Jul 25 2013 03:08 am

@om*d wrote:

People sure have some retarded logic when it comes to saving money.

Good luck having financial stability with that attitude.

Posted: Jul 25 2013 06:26 am

I get your point Sathien but the famous titles are all on Sony consoles, talking Persona 3 and 4, Catherine etc. Ok, Devil Survivor is on DS, that one is also kinda popular...

Posted: Jul 25 2013 11:14 am

i'll_bite_your_ear wrote:

I get your point Sathien but the famous titles are all on Sony consoles, talking Persona 3 and 4, Catherine etc. Ok, Devil Survivor is on DS, that one is also kinda popular...

The famous Final Fantasy titles were all on Nintendo... until VII.
The famous Mega Man titles were all on Nintendo platforms... until MM8 and MMX4.

I was going to provide more examples, but you know what? Fuck it.

I'm done trying to explaining this to you like you're not a fucking child, because no matter what I say, you're just going to give the typical child answer of: "B-but-but-but it's n-n-not faiiiir! Waaaaaaaah!"

Here's the short and simple answer. Business is business. Video game developers are commodities to be bought and sold, just like video games themselves.

I am so fucking sick of you whiny entitled fucks who grew up in the Sony Era and think you're entitled to play every good game ever made on your fucking PlayStation Whatever. You fucking pieces of shit need to learn some hard lessons, the way those of us who grew up on the NES/SNES did. Third party developers have zero allegiance to any specific console maker, and they will move their development to any other platform at any time for any reason. You Sony fans were SUPPOSED to get that lesson with Viewtiful Joe and Resident Evil 4, but you held your collective breath and threw hissyfits and Capcom caved.

If Persona 5 ends up being a Nintendo exclusive, you have two options: get over it, or kill yourself. You might think there are other options. For example, you might think "continue to whine about how unfair it is like a little bitch" is an option. If you choose that option I will find out where you live, I will come there, and I will use my extensive forensic knowledge to make it look like you chose suicide.

"I'm not going to buy a WiiU just to play Persona."

Well, you won't have to. If the most well-regarded maker/publisher of niche games goes exclusive, other niche game developers will likely follow suit, because that's how business works. That's how both PSP and Vita have endured.

Posted: Jul 25 2013 11:25 am

Syd Lexia wrote:

i'll_bite_your_ear wrote:

I get your point Sathien but the famous titles are all on Sony consoles, talking Persona 3 and 4, Catherine etc. Ok, Devil Survivor is on DS, that one is also kinda popular...

The famous Final Fantasy titles were all on Nintendo... until VII.
The famous Mega Man titles were all on Nintendo platforms... until MM8 and MMX4.

I was going to provide more examples, but you know what? Fuck it.

I'm done trying to explaining this to you like you're not a fucking child, because no matter what I say, you're just going to give the typical child answer of: "B-but-but-but it's n-n-not faiiiir! Waaaaaaaah!"

Here's the short and simple answer. Business is business. Video game developers are commodities to be bought and sold, just like video games themselves.

I am so fucking sick of you whiny entitled fucks who grew up in the Sony Era and think you're entitled to play every good game ever made on your fucking PlayStation Whatever. You fucking pieces of shit need to learn some hard lessons, the way those of us who grew up on the NES/SNES did. Third party developers have zero allegiance to any specific console maker, and they will move their development to any other platform at any time for any reason. You Sony fans were SUPPOSED to get that lesson with Viewtiful Joe and Resident Evil 4, but you held your collective breath and threw hissyfits and Capcom caved.

If Persona 5 ends up being a Nintendo exclusive, you have two options: get over it, or kill yourself. You might think there are other options. For example, you might think "continue to whine about how unfair it is like a little bitch" is an option. If you choose that option I will find out where you live, I will come there, and I will use my extensive forensic knowledge to make it look like you chose suicide.

"I'm not going to buy a WiiU just to play Persona."

Well, you won't have to. If the most well-regarded maker/publisher of niche games goes exclusive, other niche game developers will likely follow suit, because that's how business works. That's how both PSP and Vita have endured.

Whoa. Call down. I wasn't even really complaining.
And guess what. I played MegaMan on the NES and even owned FF3(FF6) for SNES as a child, you pretentious prick. I also did know that the Shin Megami Tensei series originated on the NES. So big news for me.
Nobody chooses when he is born, so don't mess with me on that level. Also, i'm nearly as old as you. Not like you care anyways.
I wouldn't even mind if the next Persona game would come out on the WiiU, i would just save my hard earned money and buy me one, or play something else.
I don't really wanna argue with you because of that misunderstanding but you kinda overreacted and i think you are able to see that.
Again, i wasn't whining or complaining. So lets just keep it that way.

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Yeah, you overreacted and generalized way too much there Syd. t. Do you really think there are legions of Sony fanboys on this forum? I'd wager there isn't a single Sony fanboy here, at least like you imagine them, just people who happen to own Sony consoles that would love those games on their platform of choice.

Relax, y'all.

Posted: Jul 25 2013 12:22 pm

It wasn't directed specifically at the forums. I've seen a ton of bitching on Twitter and in comments sections. (Don't ever read the comments!)

Posted: Jul 25 2013 02:51 pm

I like both Sony and Nintendo. That said, The WiiU needs more exclusives and this would be a great way to get them.

Posted: Jul 25 2013 03:45 pm

Syd Lexia wrote:

i'll_bite_your_ear wrote:

I get your point Sathien but the famous titles are all on Sony consoles, talking Persona 3 and 4, Catherine etc. Ok, Devil Survivor is on DS, that one is also kinda popular...

The famous Final Fantasy titles were all on Nintendo... until VII.
The famous Mega Man titles were all on Nintendo platforms... until MM8 and MMX4.

I was going to provide more examples, but you know what? Fuck it.

I'm done trying to explaining this to you like you're not a fucking child, because no matter what I say, you're just going to give the typical child answer of: "B-but-but-but it's n-n-not faiiiir! Waaaaaaaah!"

Here's the short and simple answer. Business is business. Video game developers are commodities to be bought and sold, just like video games themselves.

I am so fucking sick of you whiny entitled fucks who grew up in the Sony Era and think you're entitled to play every good game ever made on your fucking PlayStation Whatever. You fucking pieces of shit need to learn some hard lessons, the way those of us who grew up on the NES/SNES did. Third party developers have zero allegiance to any specific console maker, and they will move their development to any other platform at any time for any reason. You Sony fans were SUPPOSED to get that lesson with Viewtiful Joe and Resident Evil 4, but you held your collective breath and threw hissyfits and Capcom caved.

If Persona 5 ends up being a Nintendo exclusive, you have two options: get over it, or kill yourself. You might think there are other options. For example, you might think "continue to whine about how unfair it is like a little bitch" is an option. If you choose that option I will find out where you live, I will come there, and I will use my extensive forensic knowledge to make it look like you chose suicide.

"I'm not going to buy a WiiU just to play Persona."

Well, you won't have to. If the most well-regarded maker/publisher of niche games goes exclusive, other niche game developers will likely follow suit, because that's how business works. That's how both PSP and Vita have endured.

Here's where a GIF of applause would go.

I miss the 16-bit console wars like you don't even know.