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Lance Armstrong banned from Tour de France


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PostPosted: Oct 22 2012 11:01 am Reply with quote Back to top

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/22/sport/lance-armstrong-controversy/index.html

Apparently he was doping it up.
He was also stripped of all his titles from 1998 - present.



 
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PostPosted: Oct 22 2012 11:11 am Reply with quote Back to top

Quote:
Apparently he was doping it up.
He was also stripped of all his titles from 1998 - present.

Welcome to 3 months ago.


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PostPosted: Oct 22 2012 11:29 am Reply with quote Back to top

I got fucking flaaamed when I posted something about this on Facebook. Kinda nice to be vindicated.


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PostPosted: Oct 22 2012 11:58 am Reply with quote Back to top

Well his cancer charity did/does a lot of good, though it doesn't change him from being a cheating, doping asterisk in the history books.


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PostPosted: Oct 22 2012 03:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

JoshWoodzy wrote:
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Apparently he was doping it up.
He was also stripped of all his titles from 1998 - present.

Welcome to 3 months ago.

lol dick


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PostPosted: Oct 22 2012 10:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

So much for those Livestrong bands.


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PostPosted: Oct 22 2012 10:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

What's the big deal? It's only sports. He could have smoked crack up his ass and i wouldn't still care.


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PostPosted: Oct 22 2012 10:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

i'll_bite_your_ear wrote:
What's the big deal? It's only sports. He could have smoked crack up his ass and i wouldn't still care.

I only kind of sort of care since it's an international thing. If it was MLB or NFL I wouldn't give a half a damn.


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PostPosted: Oct 23 2012 06:08 am Reply with quote Back to top

The worst part is that he still hasn't admitted it. I thought he would have to claw back a little respect, but no.
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PostPosted: Oct 23 2012 07:49 am Reply with quote Back to top

In related news, Legs Pedalwell has received a lifetime ban from javelin, also for doping.
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PostPosted: Oct 23 2012 09:34 am Reply with quote Back to top

Well to the credit of Armstrong he is not actively disputing the charges and has walked away as head of live strong so as not to sully the name of the charity.

At the very least he did quite a bit of good for cancer and several years from now maybe that will be his legacy.


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PostPosted: Oct 23 2012 12:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I haven't followed this story 100% but the word I'm hearing is they did all of this off of Hearsay and testimony without a shred of actual evidence.

Shouldn't the burden of truth lie with the accuser and not the accused?

And if he was doping and it sounds like everyone else was as well. So the best doper won then right?
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PostPosted: Oct 23 2012 12:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Makes me wonder what the other pro athletes are up getting away with.
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PostPosted: Oct 23 2012 03:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

i guess he dont have the balls to fight it anymore


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PostPosted: Oct 23 2012 04:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

username wrote:
i guess he dont have the balls to fight it anymore


He don't have the balls to admit he's a cheater, even after the rest of his team admitted cheating.
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PostPosted: Oct 23 2012 06:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

username wrote:
i guess he dont have the balls to fight it anymore


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PostPosted: Oct 23 2012 07:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

You mean those same drugs that allow our Olympic athletes to achieve new levels of excellence?


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PostPosted: Oct 25 2012 06:21 pm Reply with quote Back to top

http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/ReasonedDecision.pdf

"As set forth in the affidavit of Tyler Hamilton, after Mr. Hamilton had testified about Mr. Armstrong’s doping and after Mr. Hamilton’s cooperation with federal law enforcement officials had been publicly reported, on June 11, 2011, Mr. Hamilton was physically accosted by Mr. Armstrong in an Aspen, Colorado restaurant.
Mr. Hamilton has testified that in connection with this altercation Mr. Armstrong said, “When you’re on the witness stand, we are going to fucking tear you apart. You are going to look like a fucking idiot.” Hamilton further testified
that Armstrong said, “I’m going to make your life a living . . . fucking . . . hell.”
Mr. Armstrong’s statements and actions plainly constitute an act of attempted witness intimidation."

After Betsy Andreu served as source for journalist David Walsh and testified in the SCA arbitration proceedings, Lance Armstrong attacked her in the media as “vindictive,” “bitter,” and “vengeful.” A detailed discussion of this matter demonstrating the baseless nature of Mr. Armstrong’s claims is set forth in Addendum 2. Further, on December 15, 2003, Mr. Armstrong sent an email to Frankie Andreu warning that “by helping to bring me down is not going to help y’alls situation at all. there (sic) is a direct link to all of our success here and i (sic) suggest you remind her of that.”
Mr. Armstrong’s statements and actions towards the Andreus in relation to their actual or potential disclosure of information concerning Mr. Armstrong’s anti-doping rule violations constituted an effort by Mr. Armstrong to conceal, suppress and hide his rule violations and to retaliate for statements and testimony implicating Mr. Armstrong in anti-doping rule violations.

Vande Velde is an accomplished cyclist having ridden in twenty (20) grand tours.
As described in his affidavit, he was a somewhat reluctant doper who nonetheless worked with Dr. Ferrari and submitted to his doping regimen of EPO and the “oil” for several seasons. In 2002 Vande Velde experienced a dressing down from Armstrong in Armstrong’s apartment during which Armstrong threatened Vande Velde that if he did not more strictly adhere to Michele Ferrari’s doping program that Vande Velde would lose his place on the team.

As explained in foregoing Section IV.B.7.d, in July 2004 at the Tour de France Lance Armstrong told Filippo Simeoni, “You made a mistake when you testified against Ferrari . . . I can destroy you.” As he and Mr. Simeoni returned to the peloton Mr. Armstrong made a taunting “zip the lips” gesture. Because the event occurred during a stage of the 2004 Tour de France, Mr. Simeoni’s recollection is well corroborated and supported by video footage. As explained in Section IV.B.7.d, Mr. Armstrong’s statement to Mr. Simeoni in which he referred directly to Mr. Simeoni’s testimony in a legal proceeding and said “I can destroy you,” and Mr. Armstrong’s actions in connection with his threatening statement, constitute acts of attempted
witness intimidation.

Looking at a list of all of his accusers, including fellow dopers that have admitted it and said it "blows their mind" that Lance just won't come clean about it, it's pretty ridiculous:

Yaroslav Popovych: Teammate who was found with PEDs and incriminating evidence. He was also connected with Michele Ferrari.
Floyd Landis: teammate of Lance who was caught doping and has accused Armstrong of doping.
Alexander Vinokourov: team member of Armstrong (Astana) was banned for a year for blood doping
Two of his teammates on the 1990 U.S. junior team, Greg Strock and Erich Kaiter, claimed in a suit against USA Cycling in 2000 that coaches administered steroids to them in 1990. They file and won their lawsuit.
Betsy Andreu,& Frankie Andreu, a longtime teammate of Armstrong's testified that Armstrong told doctors treating him for cancer that he had used PED's. One of the witnesses refuted that he made that statement.
Stephanie McIlvain: friend of Armstrong was in the room originally supported Armstrong's statement. Later told friends and was recorded saying that Armstrong doped.
Stephen Swart: Team member of Armstrong stated that he was encouraged by Armstrong to use EPO.
Michele Ferrari: man who helped Landis dope was associated with Armstrong. Armstrong said he visited the doctor as part of regular physician check ups.
A source in the FDA says Armstrong became interested in Baxter Healthcare Corp. and their HemAssist drug, which would give the abilities of EPO without the stroke risk and would be out of the body in 12 hours. This is the most dubious link.
Mike Anderson: saw illegal PEDs in Armstrong's apartment.
Tyler Hamilton, who has twice tested positive for performance- enhancing substances stated Lance Armstrong used PED's while they were on the same team.

My opinion, he almost certainly cheated and was a dickhole to plenty of people about it. It hasn't been 100% proven yet because EPO leaves your body in 1-3 days and the effects last for well longer. True that he's done a lot for cancer research and what not, but if he wants to be all noble about that cause, he should just admit he fucking cheated like the 11 other members of his team. Is it possible after looking through all these things that link him to doping that he was the lone person on multiple teams that WASN'T doping? Almost certainly not.


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PostPosted: Oct 25 2012 07:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

He sure is a stubborn bastard.
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