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JRA
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Recently, I discovered my N64 still works pretty well. I also discovered that there are companies that remake N64 controllers, which is nice because while, like I said, mine works, the control stick has some mileage on it.
Anyways, I recently discovered that I still have my original copy of Ocarina of Time. Fire Temple muslim chanting, ubiquitous muslim symbols adorned everywhere Ocarina of Time. And I figured, why the fuck not? It'd be a hell of alot better than playing on the pussified GameCube version with a gamecube controller on the Virtual Console.
I don't want to go on a religious rant here, but I never understood why that culture got so pissed about that. Personally, I loved the chanting of the Fire Temple, it gave it some personality. And the crescent moon symbols were badass too! If I was a little kid and I found out all that stuff had to do with Muslim culture, I'd probably grow up into a convert! It's no different than an Iron Maiden fan wanting to be an archeologist because of all the symbols on the Powerslave album. I guess I wouldn't be so pissed about it if Nintendo didn't haphazardly replace the crescent symbols with this Majora's Mask esque blob, which didn't make any sense whatsoever! So Majora was behind everything the whole time? Give me a break! It would have been smarter to just put the Triforce on everything, since that's what the Kingdom of Hyrule is based on. One last thing, I think everybody knows that what appeared on the VC was the version from the Gamecube compilation. And you know what else appeared on that comp? Zelda 1, which had a damn christian cross on the shields! I don't remember Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson getting pissed about that!
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Anyways, like Usa's done in the past with other games, I figured I'd make a thread about my travels in this game and post my thoughts. I haven't played any incarnation of OoT since 2009, and I can't remember the last time I played the original cartridge, so it should be interesting. Feel free to respond to anything!
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1st entry 8/19/12
I always thought the Deku trees mustache was his mouth. and it was a fucked up looking mouth.
Did Mido not notice the desert man in black come in and demand the kokori stone from the tree? Also this place is surprisingly happy for a place that is so in touch with the Deku spirit that they can tell when it fucking dies.
In the lost woods cutscene, the way Link runs away from Saria looks as if he's just been told that Saria rapes, kills, and eats children.
Fuck the giant Peahats.
Not having any monsters on Hyrule Field except for the zombies at night was kind of stupid. In Zelda 1 and Link to The Past they threw all sorts of shit at you, and it was fun to slice and dice all the octorocks, corrupt soldiers, and what have you. I realize this is supposed to be the beginning of the Zelda "storyline" (lol), but just because it's "peacetime" doesn't mean there can't be other creatures to fuck up. And that doesn't really change in Adult Link time either, and that's supposed to be the time where the long arm of Ganon rules all.
Listen! Count: 2
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JRA
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14 years later, breaking everything in the guard's tower still rules. Forget getting all the money, just smashing everything is therapy.
Oh shit! The skulltula in the crate! I forgot about that.
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SoldierHawk
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This is awesome. I always liked Hyrule field being nice and happy in the daytime. It makes the dread of night much greater if there's nothing really around in the day (imho.) I remember the very first time I played, when the zombies came out and I ran to the castle for cover...only to find that *they've locked me out!* Brrrrr.
However, I totally agree on one thing: those giant pehats SUCK.
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JRA
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SoldierHawk wrote: |
I always liked Hyrule field being nice and happy in the daytime. It makes the dread of night much greater if there's nothing really around in the day (imho.) |
Good point. Just having played Link To The Past fairly recently I found the contrast odd.
And I still say the biggest mistake this game made was not having the overworld theme.
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Syd Lexia
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There is a lot of walking in this game and not a lot of enemies outside of dungeons. It's an issue.
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JRA
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Entry 2:
I think this is the only zelda game where the "puzzle unlocked" sound can scare the shit out of you.
There is a fat, bearded woman in Kakariko village. Fuckin A That's gross.
It's also pretty scary when you see the face on the giant Goron Jug when it gives you the Piece of Heart
Fuck the Dampe's gravedigging Piece of Heart. I've played this game a million times and I can never figure out where that damn thing is hidden. Still haven't found it. And it's surprisingly high at sucking up rupies.
Listen! Count*: 6
*I noticed that the Listen! only really happens when you start up your file, as a reminder of where you are supposed to be going. Which is a good idea, considering you could probably go a long time without playing the game.
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Greg the White
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I dated a Muslim girl for a short time, and they typically get up in arms about that kind of stuff because they kind of fear that their religion will be cheapened if it's not treated with the right amount of reverence. I don't know whether I agree or not, but it's kind of understandable when you see other religions go through it. I guess I could point to velvet paintings of Jesus hugging Ronny Van Zant as the kind of thing they fear.
I never played Ocarina of Time all the way through. I've dragged my feet on the 3D Zeldas just because there's always so much extra stuff that you can miss depending on mundane details, and it gets kind of overwhelming.
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jprime
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I need to know: Between the last two temples, which are you doing first, Spirit or Shadow?
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Drew Linky
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jprime wrote: |
I need to know: Between the last two temples, which are you doing first, Spirit or Shadow? |
I was going to ask that too, because I always did it with the Spirit Temple first, Shadow Temple last. Mostly because I hate dealing with Dead Hand.
I was astonished to find out years later that Spirit Temple is considered the more difficult of the two, and is typically done last.
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JRA
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Entry 3: Dodongo Cavern.
I must say, I'm rather happy you are finally able to kill the Beamos in those games. Though on insticint I do try to kill them with bombs in Link To The Past only to be disappointed.
Using the series of bomb flowers to collapse the stairs is a bad ass puzzle (though the animation could have been a bit more explodey than "lowering pillar")
The only method of being able to kill the armos knights in this game with bombs is kind of stupid. You should be able to use your sword or the slingshot, the equivalent to the bow.
Remember how in Link To The Past when you were in the Ice Temple, and the Stalfos came down, and the telepathic block told you there was only one type of item you could use to kill them? So you try every fucking item you earned in the Dark World, cos you'd think logically those would be the answers? And it turned out to be a goddamn bomb? Boy was the fucking stupid. It has nothing to do with this game, but it still pissed me off.
At the bridge section on the highest floor. Anyone else think they stole this setup for God of War? Cos it makes me think of God of War.
The second time fighting the Dinolfos I had to go to the tall pillar with the hearts. The last Dinolfo (?) followed me there and it made the battle kind of cinematic.
I have mixed feelings about the Bombs being an official dungeon treasure you have to earn. On the one hand, it's satisfying as hell when it you get them, on the other, it's lame that the game held them back from you the whole time. Remember in the first zelda where one of the first things you could get by killing an enemy was a bomb? That was cool.
30 Deku seeds for 40 rupees? Fuck off.
The "you have low health" noise that has plagued this series is 1000 times more annoying than Navi ever was.
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jprime wrote: |
I need to know: Between the last two temples, which are you doing first, Spirit or Shadow? |
I was going to ask that too, because I always did it with the Spirit Temple first, Shadow Temple last. Mostly because I hate dealing with Dead Hand.
I was astonished to find out years later that Spirit Temple is considered the more difficult of the two, and is typically done last. |
The Player's Guide said to do Shadow Temple first and Spirit Temple last. I've done both in either sequence and I don't really remember either one being more difficult than the other. Can't you do more or less any temple you want after the Forest Temple?
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SoldierHawk
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On the Navi mostly only happening at startup: I disagree on this. Now granted, I am the kind of player who, if you give me an open world, will do everything BUT the actual quest at hand until I feel like doing it (seriously, I could ride Epona around the field, or hang out in Zora Falls for hours), but that gets ruined by that stupid fairly yelling at me every five minutes because I'm not in the right zone or whatever. Absolutely guts exploration and fun in this game for me. I wish there was some way to delete that sound file.
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Drew Linky
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JRA wrote: |
The Player's Guide said to do Shadow Temple first and Spirit Temple last. I've done both in either sequence and I don't really remember either one being more difficult than the other. Can't you do more or less any temple you want after the Forest Temple? |
Technically, you'd have to retrieve the items from each dungeon in order to get through the next one. So, no, you wouldn't have to complete the dungeons in order to move on to the next, but entering them and obtaining the items from each is necessary.
I could be wrong. I think I'm going to play through it again and attempt this.
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JRA
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Eh, that's lame. Either complete a dungeon or don't do it at all.
I did another round but I didn't do much. I finally got the graveyard heart piece, went fishing, got the heart piece there (and also learned the best time to fish is the asscrack of dawn), and beat the Bombchu and shooting galleries for the best prizes. I actually want to cut down until my brand new N64 controller arrives in the mail, cos I don't think I'm gonna be doing a whole lot of N64 playing after I beat this game.
Though I do have this side note, am I the only one who notices that the shooting gallery caretaker looks like a racist Native American caricature?
Also, I was looking on wikipedia for reception what-have-yous and of course I notice a whole lot of 10's. You know who one of the people that dared to give it a 9.5 was?
Nintendo Power.
That's right, Nintendo's own fucking newsletter wouldn't give it a perfect review; possibly because they wanted to have "integrity" and "standards." Makes me wonder if they've ever given one of their own first party games a 10.
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Mondegreen
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I'm not gonna lie, the first time I played this game back when I was nine or ten, Navi's "hey!" noise that played whenever she wanted to tell you something scared the hell out of me every time.
Yeah, I was a pussy.
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Syd Lexia
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Um, I think you HAVE to do the Shadow Temple last. Pretty sure the event that allows you to enter it doesn't trigger until the other dungeons are completed.
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
Um, I think you HAVE to do the Shadow Temple last. |
No.
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When I played through the game last summer, I kept wanting to do the Shadow Temple, but you can't get to it without the Nocturne and I couldn't get it. What exactly triggers the Nocturne event?
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lavalarva
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Probably having the Forest, Fire and Water Medallions, as the game assumes you got them if you have both the Spirit and Shadow Medallions.
So obviously TASers abuse this by completely skipping those 3 dungeons as the game doesn't bother checking if you completed them or not.
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Greg the White
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Isn't there some glitch that lets you beat the game in like ten minutes?
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lavalarva
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Seems so. It was discovered in May so I didn't know about it. Looks like it involves wrong-warping from Deku Tree to Ganon Castle.
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jprime
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Just three months ago, 13 & 1/2 years into its existence? Whoa.
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Drew Linky
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lavalarva wrote: |
Seems so. It was discovered in May so I didn't know about it. Looks like it involves wrong-warping from Deku Tree to Ganon Castle. |
What, and you get all of the equipment in the game in the process?
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Drew Linky wrote: |
JRA wrote: |
The Player's Guide said to do Shadow Temple first and Spirit Temple last. I've done both in either sequence and I don't really remember either one being more difficult than the other. Can't you do more or less any temple you want after the Forest Temple? |
Technically, you'd have to retrieve the items from each dungeon in order to get through the next one. So, no, you wouldn't have to complete the dungeons in order to move on to the next, but entering them and obtaining the items from each is necessary.
I could be wrong. I think I'm going to play through it again and attempt this. |
Hm, I don't remember having to use anything but the hookshot, bombs and temple specific weapons to beat any of the first three. I always thought you needed the hover boots to beat the spirit temple, though.
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Drew Linky
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Bob Dylan`s Blues wrote: |
Hm, I don't remember having to use anything but the hookshot, bombs and temple specific weapons to beat any of the first three. I always thought you needed the hover boots to beat the spirit temple, though. |
I was reading up on it, the thing that clued me in to the implied order is that they say to use the hover boots in order to grab a silver rupee in the Spirit Temple. Obviously, you grab those in the Shadow Temple, meaning you would have to have gone to the Shadow Temple first.
The main reason I assumed you go to the Spirit Temple first is because of the order of the medallions in the quest subscreen. It goes in the order you get them up to Water and then it becomes Spirit, even though you're advised to do that one last.
Besides, doesn't Impa give away some important plot points when you free her? I would think that comes closer to the end of the game.
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jprime
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I also do Spirit before Shadow for that reason. Sure, getting to it is at least as complicated as the dungeon itself, Sheik listed "house of the dead" before "goddess in the sand" and I force myself to avoid Kakariko Village in the future until I get that medallion so as not to trigger the sequence that prompts me to go to the Shadow Temple, but it feels right. If Nintendo really wanted me to do Shadow first between the two, they'd have put the Shadow Medallion after the Water Medallion in the clockwise sequence, as well as putting the Nocturne Of Shadow before the Requiem Of Spirit in the warp songs.
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