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Gallery 2 · Posted: Aug 07 2012 02:25 pm

You REALLY need to learn the difference between quoting and posting an entire article, Vert.

That is, how these articles validate your points? The fact that you have to cut and paste the entire thing instead of highlighting the point you're trying to reach kinda feels like you don't fully grasp the point either and have to shield yourself from argument by means of articles by "experts".

Second, two can play that game:

It reminded me of the word I was looking for one of the reasons games like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest (I'm really surprised no one brought that game up....) were revolutionary in their time:

"Approachability"

It grabbed the RPG concepts from DnD and, let's humor you, Wizardry (I still think that's flawed research from your part, but I don't have any data to back that up, so...) and made it more approachable for people to try it out.

For that matter, is what made games like Contra great as well on their own right. You didn't spend hours figuring out what to do and didn't swamp you with bullets the second you started played, yet it was difficult enough to make it impossible to finish it in one sitting (unless you used the code, but that's another matter...).

Finally, what did I tell you about proofreading your posts? You sound less like a gamer and more like a basement dweller hipster threatened by the idea that your niche hobby is becoming mainstream.

Like it or not, the gaming industry needs to adapt with the times in hopes for it to keep growing, and listening to "hardcore gamers" demanding an unreasonably high entrance bar for newcomers amounts to economical suicide, not to mention damaging the gaming community as a whole.

But if you're really desperate for "challenges", go play I Wanna Be The Guy or something...

Posted: Aug 07 2012 02:32 pm

AtmanRyu wrote:

Finally, what did I tell you about proofreading your posts? You sound less like a gamer and more like a basement dweller hipster threatened by the idea that your niche hobby is becoming mainstream.

Like it or not, the gaming industry needs to adapt with the times in hopes for it to keep growing, and listening to "hardcore gamers" demanding an unreasonably high entrance bar for newcomers amounts to economical suicide, not to mention damaging the gaming community as a whole.

basically, this.

AtmanRyu wrote:

But if you're really desperate for "challenges", go play I Wanna Be The Guy or something...

they have a sequel now

Posted: Aug 07 2012 02:40 pm

I'm confused...

Complex games > less complex games, yes?

Unless it's Final Fantasy and Contra?

Posted: Aug 07 2012 02:59 pm

We already know what the best game is...or do we?

Posted: Aug 07 2012 03:27 pm

I'm more than glad more accessible RPGs like Final Fantasy and Ultima: Quest of the Avatar came out on the NES. I remember playing Wizardry on the NES as a little kid and dying constantly (the fact that I was a seven year old trying to grasp an RPG where my strongest character had 8 HP wasn't helping things).

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I'm a huge Nintendo fanboy, like to the point of it being a sickness. I like it. But anyway, I do prefer games like Wizardry and Ultima on the PC just because of complexity and more freedom, longer play time, etc.. but I'll be the first to say I'm definitely glad there were ports of them on other systems so people could experience them who otherwise wouldn't have.

Except for Ultima VII on SNES, that game can burn in hell.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Aug 07 2012 03:39 pm

Greg the White wrote:

Vert, the problem we have is that we don't think you're wrong, it's just obnoxious that you think you're this walking Deep Blue for video games that just doesn't have enough shit packed into a game to make yourself feel super talented for playing it.

No. I think he's wrong.

Atman there hit the nail on the head with "Accessibility", BTW.

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JoshWoodzy wrote:

I'm a huge Nintendo fanboy, like to the point of it being a sickness. I like it. But anyway, I do prefer games like Wizardry and Ultima on the PC just because of complexity and more freedom, longer play time, etc.. but I'll be the first to say I'm definitely glad there were ports of them on other systems so people could experience them who otherwise wouldn't have.

Except for Ultima VII on SNES, that game can burn in hell.

I'm all down for complexity in RPGs. I never really appreciated that in old PC RPGs, but I definitely enjoy the advantage now. Even then I'll still fire up an old FF game if I'm not in the mood to have to make massive, open-ended decisions., or if I want to experience a more focused, linear narrative.

Besides that, I just dislike the attitude that some people have that we should dump non-complex games, dump casual games, dump cover shooters, etc. just because it doesn't appeal to them. I'm glad we have so many things to pick and choose from, and that people who may like games but may not be completely invested in them as a hobby all have ways to enjoy themselves.

Posted: Aug 07 2012 04:51 pm

Tomdincan wrote:

We already know what the best game is...or do we?

Quote:

Many people have said Donkey Kong is the best game ever. Even a dummy like Billy Madison thinks that. So it's obviously the best game, right? Wrong. It is not. Here is why: there are lists on the internet that say differently.

[SPOILER:05247b457f]THE LISTS

Always updating lists:

Unikgamer (as of February 2012)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Mass Effect 2 BioWare 2010
3 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
4 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
5 Fallout 3 Bethesda 2008
6 Mass Effect BioWare 2007
7 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
8 Portal Valve 2007
9 Chrono Trigger Squaresoft 1995
10 Uncharted 2: Among Theives Naughty Dog 2009
GameRankings.com (as of February 2012)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Super Mario Galaxy Nintendo 2007
3 Super Mario Galaxy 2 Nintendo 2010
4 Grand Theft Auto IV Rockstar Games 2008
5 SoulCalibur Namco 1998
6 Uncharted 2: Among Theives Naughty Dog 2009
7 Metroid Prime Nintendo 2002
8 Tekken 3 Namco 1998
9 Batman: Arkham City Rocksteady Studios 2011
10 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
Note: "The Orange Box," which was ranked in 9th and 11th place was not counted, as it is actually three distinct games, packaged together, nor was Grand Theft Auto IV (X360) in 10th place, since the PS3 version is already in 4th place.

Static lists:

53. PC Gamer (2012)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Portal Valve 2007
2 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Bethesda 2011
3 Team Fortress 2 Valve 2010
4 Fallout 3 Bethesda 2008
5 Dragon Age: Orgins BioWare 2009
6 World of Warcraft Blizzard 2004
7 The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Bethesda 2006
8 ArmA II Bohemia 2009
9 Civilization IV Firaxis Games 2005
10 StarCraft II Blizzard 2010
52. Games Radar (2011)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Portal Valve 2007
2 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
3 Chrono Trigger Squaresoft 1995
4 Grand Theft Auto IV Rockstar Games 2008
5 Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker Nintendo 2003
6 Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo 1990
7 Shadow of the Colossus Bluepoint 2005
8 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
9 Super Metroid Nintendo 1994
10 Mass Effect 2 BioWare 2010
51. Slogan Yams (2011)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
3 Super Mario Galaxy 2 Nintendo 2010
4 Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo 1990
5 Chrono Trigger Squaresoft 1995
6 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
7 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
8 Super Mario Galaxy Nintendo 2007
9 Super Smash Bros. Brawl Nintendo 2008
10 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
50. The Best 100 Lists (2011)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Halo: Combat Evolved Bungie Studios 2001
3 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Activision 2007
4 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
5 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
6 Super Mario Bros. Nintendo 1985
7 Halo 3 Bungie Studios 2007
8 Grand Theft Auto IV Rockstar Games 2008
9 BioShock 2K Games 2007
10 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
49. Guinness World Records: Gamer's Edition (2009)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Super Mario Kart Nintendo 1992
2 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
3 Grand Theft Auto Rockstar Games 1997
4 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
5 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
6 Halo: Combat Evolved Bungie Studios 2001
7 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
8 Final Fantasy XII Squaresoft 2006
9 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
10 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
48. FHM (2009)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Activision 2007
3 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
4 Fallout 3 Bethesda 2008
5 Super Mario Kart Nintendo 1992
6 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
7 Super Mario Galaxy Nintendo 2007
8 Star Wars: TIE Fighter LucasArts 1995
9 Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Ubisoft 2005
10 The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening Nintendo 1993
47. Action Button (2009)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Out of This World Interplay 1991
2 Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo 1990
3 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
4 Mother 3 Nintendo 2005
5 Pac-Man: Championship Edition Namco 2007
6 Gears of War Epic 2006
7 Street Fighter III: Third Strike Capcom 1999
8 Cave Story Pixel Studios 2004
9 Chrono Trigger Squaresoft 1995
10 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Nintendo 2004
46. Game Informer magazine (2009)
issue 200

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda Nintendo 1986
2 Super Mario Bros. Nintendo 1985
3 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
4 Grand Theft Auto III Rockstar Games 2001
5 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
6 DOOM id / GT Interactive 1993
7 Metroid Nintendo 1986
8 Final Fantasy III (IV) Squaresoft 1994
9 Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo 1990
10 Ms. Pac-Man Namco 1981
Note: This is Game Informer's second list, they also made one in 2001 (included below).

45. Empire Magazine (2009)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
2 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
3 World of Warcraft Blizzard 2004
4 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Activision 2007
5 Sid Meier's Civilization Microprose 1991
6 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
7 DOOM id / GT Interactive 1993
8 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
9 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
10 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
44. Edge Magazine (2009)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
3 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
4 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
5 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
6 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
7 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
8 Super Mario Galaxy Nintendo 2007
9 Halo 3 Bungie Studios 2007
10 Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island Nintendo 1995
43. Official Nintendo Magazine [UK] (2009)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Super Mario Bros. Nintendo 1985
2 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
3 Super Mario Galaxy Nintendo 2007
4 Mario Kart Wii Nintendo 2007
5 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
6 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
7 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
8 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
9 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
10 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
42. VGChartz (2009)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
3 Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo 1990
4 Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Konami 2008
5 Super Mario Galaxy Nintendo 2007
6 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
7 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
8 Final Fantasy III (IV) Squaresoft 1994
9 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
10 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
41. Gamer.Blorge (2008)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Konami 2008
2 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
3 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
4 Halo 3 Bungie Studios 2007
5 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Activision 2007
6 Grand Theft Auto IV Rockstar Games 2008
7 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
8 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
9 Gears of War Epic 2006
10 Final Fantasy X Squaresoft 2001
40. IGN Readers' Poll (2008)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Chrono Trigger Squaresoft 1995
3 SoulCalibur Namco 1998
4 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
5 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Nintendo 2004
6 Super Metroid Nintendo 1994
7 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
8 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
9 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
10 Shenmue II Sega 2001
39. GAME.co.uk poll (2008)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Activision 2007
2 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
3 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
4 Grand Theft Auto IV Rockstar Games 2008
5 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
6 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
7 Halo 3 Bungie Studios 2007
8 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
9 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
10 Gears of War Epic 2006
38. Stuff magazine (2008)
October issue

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
2 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
3 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
4 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
5 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
6 Elite Acornsoft 1984
7 Sonic the Hedgehog Sega 1991
8 DOOM id / GT Interactive 1993
9 Grand Theft Auto III Rockstar Games 2001
10 Turrican 2 Amiga 1991
37. Entertainment Weekly magazine (2008)
Issue 1,000

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
2 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
3 DOOM id / GT Interactive 1993
4 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
5 Guitar Hero Harmonix 2005
6 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
7 Super Mario Kart Nintendo 1992
8 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
9 Grand Theft Auto IV Rockstar Games 2008
10 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
36. Retro Remakes (2007)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Elite Acornsoft 1984
2 DOOM id / GT Interactive 1993
3 Half-Life Valve / Sierra 1998
4 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
5 Cave Story Pixel Studios 2004
6 R-Type Activision 1989
7 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
8 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
9 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
10 StarCraft Blizzard 1998
Note: Reader's poll

35. Edge Magazine (2007)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
3 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
4 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
5 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
6 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
7 Halo: Combat Evolved Bungie Studios 2001
8 Final Fantasy XII Squaresoft 2006
9 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
10 Super Metroid Nintendo 1994
Note: List was printed in special issue entitled "Edge presents The 100 Best Videogames," and included Edge's 2000 list (see below).

34. IGN.com (2007)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Super Mario Bros. Nintendo 1985
2 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
3 Civilization II Microprose 1996
4 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
5 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
6 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
7 Super Metroid Nintendo 1994
8 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
9 Final Fantasy III (IV) Squaresoft 1994
10 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
33. Computer and Video Games (2007)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Deus Ex Ion Storm 2000
2 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
3 Civilization IV Firaxis Games 2005
4 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind Bethesda Softworks 2002
5 Half-Life Valve / Sierra 1998
6 Rome: Total War Activision 2004
7 System Shock 2 Irrational Games 1999
8 DOOM id / GT Interactive 1993
9 Battlefield 2 Electronic Arts 2005
10 The Secret of Monkey Island LucasArts 1990
Note: List limited to "best PC games."

32. GameTrailers.com (2006)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
3 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
4 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
5 Tecmo Bowl Nintendo 1987
6 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
7 Grand Theft Auto III Rockstar Games 2001
8 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
9 Halo: Combat Evolved Bungie Studios 2001
10 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
Note: GameTrailers picked two Mario games tied for fourth place.

31. Yahoo! UK & Ireland Games (2006)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
2 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
3 Pokémon Nintendo 1995
4 Pro Evolution Soccer 4 Konami 2004
5 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
6 Monkey Island 2 LucasArts 1990
7 Super Mario Kart Nintendo 1992
8 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
9 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
10 Elite Acornsoft 1984
30. Famitsu readers' poll (2006)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Final Fantasy X Squaresoft 2001
2 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
3 Dragon Warrior III Enix 1988
4 Dragon Warrior VIII Enix 2004
5 Machi Chunsoft 1998
8 Final Fantasy II (IV) Squaresoft 1991
7 Tactics Ogre Quest 1997
6 Final Fantasy III (Japan) Nintendo 1990
9 Dragon Warrior VII Enix 2000
10 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
Note: Famitsu is a Japanese magazine.

29. IGN Readers' Poll (2006)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Chrono Trigger Squaresoft 1995
3 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
4 Super Metroid Nintendo 1994
5 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
6 SoulCalibur Namco 1998
7 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
8 Final Fantasy III (IV) Squaresoft 1994
9 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
10 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Konami 2004
Note: This is IGN's third reader's poll. They also did a poll in 2008 (included above) and 2005 (included below), as well as editor's choice lists in 2007, (see above) 2005 and 2003 (also listed below).

28. Nintendo Power (2006)
issue 200

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
3 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
4 Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker Nintendo 2003
5 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
6 Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo 1990
7 Legend of Zelda Nintendo 1986
8 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
9 Super Mario Bros. Nintendo 1985
10 Metroid Prime Nintendo 2002
Note: This is Nintendo Power's second list. They also made a list in 1997 (included below).

27. Electronic Gaming Monthly (2005)
issue 200

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Super Mario Bros. Nintendo 1985
2 Pac-Man Namco 1980
3 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
4 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
5 Legend of Zelda Nintendo 1986
6 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
7 Space Invaders Taito 1978
8 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
9 Grand Theft Auto III Rockstar Games 2001
10 Pong Atari 1972
Note: This is EGM's third list. They also made a list in 2002 and 1997 (included below). This list included the caveat "of their time."

26. GamePro magazine (2005)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
2 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
3 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
4 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
5 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
6 Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo 1990
7 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
8 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
9 Halo 2 Bundie Studios 2004
10 Super Smash Bros. Melee Nintendo 2001
25. The Jaded Gamer (2005)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Super Metroid Nintendo 1994
2 Mega Man 2 Capcom 1989
3 Katamari Damacy Namco 2004
4 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
5 Final Fantasy III (IV) Squaresoft 1994
6 Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo 1990
7 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night Konami 1997
8 Pirates! Microprose
1987
9 Civilization II Microprose 1996
10 Baldur's Gate Interplay 1998
24. GameFAQs reader's poll (2005)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
2 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
3 Chrono Trigger Squaresoft 1995
4 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
5 Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo 1990
6 Super Smash Bros. Melee Nintendo 2001
7 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
8 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
9 Halo 2 Bundie Studios 2004
10 Final Fantasy III (IV) Squaresoft 1994
23. IGN.com (2005)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Super Mario Bros. Nintendo 1985
2 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
3 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
4 Civilization II Microprose 1996
5 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
6 Pirates! Microprose
1987
7 StarCraft Blizzard 1998
8 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
9 Star Wars: TIE Fighter LucasArts 1995
10 Super Metroid Nintendo 1994
Note: This is IGN's second list. They also made a list in 2003 (included below).

22. IGN readers' poll (2005)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
2 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
3 Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Ubisoft 2005
4 Chrono Trigger Squaresoft 1995
5 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
6 God of War Sony 2005
7 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Konami 2004
8 SoulCalibur Namco 1998
9 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Rockstar Games 2004
10 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
21. PALGN (2005)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
3 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
4 Resident Evil 4 Capcom 2005
5 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
6 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Rockstar Games 2004
7 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
8 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
9 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
10 Burnout 3: Takedown Electronic Arts 2004
20. The Age newspaper / LiveWire (2005)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 The Sims 2 Maxis 2005
2 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
3 Half-Life 2 Valve 2004
4 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
5 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Rockstar Games 2004
6 Halo 2 Bundie Studios 2004
7 Gran Turismo 4 Polyphony Digital 2005
8 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
9 Ico Sony 2001
10 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
19. Retro Gamer magazine (2004)*
issue 9

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Elite Acornsoft 1984
2 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
3 Manic Miner Bug-Byte 1983
4 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
5 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
6 Space Invaders Taito 1978
7 Jet Set Willy Software 1984
8 Sensible Software Soccer Sensible Software 1992
9 DOOM id / GT Interactive 1993
10 Pac-Man Namco 1980
* Retro Gamer Issue 1 also featured a "Top 100" list, though this one was actually 10 distinct "Top 10" lists segregated by platform.

18. IGN.com (2003)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Super Mario Bros. Nintendo 1985
2 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
3 Super Metroid Nintendo 1994
4 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
5 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
6 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
7 StarCraft Blizzard 1998
8 X-COM: UFO Defense Mythos Games 1994
9 Final Fantasy II (IV) Squaresoft 1991
10 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
17. Entertainment Weekly / GF (2003)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
2 DOOM id / GT Interactive 1993
3 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
4 Grand Theft Auto III Rockstar Games 2001
5 Madden NFL 2003 Electronic Arts 2002
6 Half-Life Valve / Sierra 1998
7 The Sims Maxis 2000
8 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
9 StarCraft Blizzard 1998
10 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
Note: Number 9 on this list was actually "Warcraft / StarCraft" which is kind of cheating since they are two different games.

16. The DORK Club (2003)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Super Metroid Nintendo 1994
2 Chrono Trigger Squaresoft 1995
3 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
4 Final Fantasy III (IV) Squaresoft 1994
5 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
6 Half-Life Valve / Sierra 1998
7 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
8 Super Smash Bros. Melee Nintendo 2001
9 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
10 EarthBound Nintendo 1995
15. Electronic Gaming Monthly (2002)
issue 150

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Super Metroid Nintendo 1994
2 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
3 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
4 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night Konami 1997
5 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
6 SoulCalibur Namco 1998
7 Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask Nintendo 2000
8 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
9 Final Fantasy III (IV) Squaresoft 1994
10 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
Note: This is EGM's second list. They also made a list in 1997 (included below).

14. GameSpy.com (2001)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 DOOM id / GT Interactive 1993
2 Half-Life Valve / Sierra 1998
3 Warcraft II Blizzard 1995
4 Sid Meier's Civilization Microprose 1991
5 Quake id / GT Interactive 1996
6 Diablo Blizzard 1996
7 Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar Origin 1985
8 Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss Origin / Blue Sky 1992
9 StarCraft Blizzard 1998
10 Legend of Zelda Nintendo 1986
13. Game Informer magazine (2001)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda Nintendo 1986
2 Super Mario Bros. Nintendo 1985
3 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
4 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 Activision 2000
5 DOOM id / GT Interactive 1993
6 Metroid Nintendo 1986
7 Final Fantasy III (IV) Squaresoft 1994
8 Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo 1990
9 Ms. Pac-Man Namco 1981
10 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
12. GameSpot (2001)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
2 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
3 Resident Evil Capcom 1996
4 Virtua Racing Sega 1992
5 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
6 Dragon Warrior Enix 1986
7 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
8 Legend of Zelda Nintendo 1986
9 Double Dragon Taito 1987
10 Commando Capcom 1985
Note: List was formally "most influential" games of all time.

11.GameSpot (2000)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Quake id / GT Interactive 1996
2 DOOM id / GT Interactive 1993
3 Myst Broderbund 1996
4 King's Quest IV: The Perils of Rosella Sierra 1988
5 Dune II: The Building of a Dynasty Virgin 1992
6 Diablo Blizzard 1996
7 Sid Meier's Civilization MicroPose 1991
8 Half-Life Valve / Sierra 1998
9 Sim City Maxis 1987
10 Falcon 3.0 Spectrum 1991
Note: List was formally "most influential" games of all time.

10. Computer and Video Games magazine (2001)
(I've had to piece this list together through second-hand sources. Please help me fill in the blanks)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
3 ?
4 ?
5 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
6 Super Mario Kart Nintendo 1992
7 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
8 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
9 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
10 ?
9. Edge magazine (2000)
issue 80

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
3 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
4 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
5 Gran Turismo 2 Polyphony Digital 1999
6 Quake II id
1997
7 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
8 Street Fighter II (Turbo) Capcom 1991
9 Half-Life Valve / Sierra 1998
10 Super Mario World Nintendo 1991
Note: List was later reprinted in 2007 Top Ten special issue.

8. GamesRadar (2000)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Super Mario Bros. Nintendo 1985
2 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
3 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
4 DOOM id / GT Interactive 1993
5 Civilization II Microprose 1996
6 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
7 StarCraft Blizzard 1998
8 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
9 Resident Evil: Code Veronica Capcom 2000
10 Street Fighter II (Turbo) Capcom 1991
Note: With the exception of SMB, GamesRadar recognized entire "franchises" in their list. The specific games mentioned are the ones the authors note as the "bests" of the series.

7. Nintendorks (2000)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
2 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
3 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
4 Final Fantasy III (IV) Squaresoft 1994
5 Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo 1990
6 Legend of Zelda Nintendo 1986
7 Super Mario Kart Nintendo 1992
8 Super Mario Bros. Nintendo 1985
9 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
10 Punch-Out!! Nintendo 1987
Note: List was limited to games appearing on Nintendo platforms.

6. Computer and Video Games Magazine (2000)
issue 218

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
2 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
3 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997
4 Metal Gear Solid Konami 1998
5 Sonic the Hedgehog Sega 1991
6 Resident Evil 2 Capcom 2000
7 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
8 Grand Turismo Polyphony Digital 1998
9 Tekken 3 Namco 1998
10 Grand Theft Auto DMA Design 1998
Note: reader's poll. Sonic, in number 5, was recognized as the "Sonic series."

5. Next Generation magazine (1999)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nintendo 1998
2 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
3 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
4 Civilization II Microprose 1996
5 Quake II id 1996
6 Super Metroid Nintendo 1994
7 Super Mario Kart Nintendo 1992
8 Virtua Fighter 2 Sega 1995
9 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
10 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
Note: In this list Next Gen has made my life difficult by identifying four "series" in their top 10 (#1 is the "Zelda series," #3 is the "Mario series," #4 is the "Civilization series," and #6 is the "Metroid series"). To keep this list in the style of all the others, I have thus tampered with it, and inserted games from each series which I think they would be statistically most likely to have chosen as the "best" game of each franchise.

Note 2: This is Next Generation's second list. They also made a list in 1996 (included below).

4. Electronic Gaming Monthly (1997)
issue 100

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
2 Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo 1990
3 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
4 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
5 Street Fighter II (Turbo) Capcom 1991
6 Super Metroid Nintendo 1994
7 Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island Nintendo 1995
8 Contra III: The Alien Wars Konami 1992
9 Final Fantasy III (IV) Squaresoft 1994
10 Saturn Bomberman Hudson Soft 1997
3. Nintendo Power magazine (1997)
issue 100

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
2 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Nintendo 1992
3 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
4 Mario Kart 64 Nintendo 1997
5 Super Mario Bros. 3 Nintendo 1990
6 Super Metroid Nintendo 1994
7 GoldenEye 007 Rare 1997
8 Final Fantasy II (IV) Squaresoft 1991
9 Final Fantasy III (IV) Squaresoft 1994
10 Street Fighter II (Turbo) Capcom 1991
Note: List was limited to games appearing on Nintendo platforms.

2. Computer Gaming World (1996)
November issue

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Sid Meier's Civilization MicroPose 1993
2 Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar Origin 1985
3 M.U.L.E. Electronic Arts 1983
4 Red Baron Sierra 1990
5 DOOM id / GT Interactive 1993
6 Sim City Maxis 1987
7 Wing Commander ORGIN 1990
8 Empire Interstel 1978
9 Wasteland Interplay 1987
10 Falcon 3.0 Spectrum 1991
1. Next Generation magazine (1996)

Rank Title Publisher Year
1 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996
2 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987
3 Super Bomberman 2 Hudson Soft 1994
4 Sid Meier's Civilization Microprose 1991
5
Super Mario Bros.

Nintendo 1985
6 Virtua Fighter 2 Sega 1995
7 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991
8 Lemmings Psygnosis 1990
9 Quake id / GT Interactive 1996
10 Warcraft II Blizzard 1995
Note: Number 5 on this list was actually the "Mario series," which was an odd choice, since presumably Super Mario 64 is part of the "Mario series" as well.

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Summary and Overall Rankings

These lists predictably represent a whole host of different agendas, outlooks, and opinions on what constitutes a "great" video game. Some placed a large emphasis on recognizing games that were historically "relevant" or "innovative" while others simply celebrated games that were fun to play.

Assuming these lists represent voices of authority in the gaming community, we can easily make a cumulative list averaging out the most universally popular games. I'm not smart enough to do mathematical averages of rank, but based on sheer popularity, the top 10 games of all time seem to be:

1 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (37 out of 54)
2 Super Mario 64 (30 out of 54)
Tetris (30 out of 54)
4 GoldenEye 007 (22 out of 54)
5 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (20 out of 54)
6 Final Fantasy VII (19 out of 54)
Street Fighter II (19 out of 54)
7 Super Mario World (16 out of 54)
8 Half-Life 2 (14 out of 54)
Metal Gear Solid (14 out of 54)
Resident Evil 4 (14 out of 54)
Super Metroid (14 out of 54)
As you can see, there is not a very strong consensus here. Even many of the supposed "most popular" games only have a success rate of 40% or below, which is in part due to the marked shift in tastes that has occured in recent years, and the fact that list-makers' biases tend to be towards newer games over older ones.[/SPOILER:05247b457f]
source: http://superintelligentgamer.weebly.com/page-2---the-best-game-ever.html

Posted: Aug 07 2012 05:41 pm

Greg the White wrote:

I'm glad we have so many things to pick and choose from, and that people who may like games but may not be completely invested in them as a hobby all have ways to enjoy themselves.

Agreed.

Also, a game can be both simple and complex. Like chess, which is apparently the complexity and intellectual standard that Vert thinks all great video games must match.

Chess is simple enough that a child as young as 5 or 6 can learn the basic rules, but difficult enough that it can take years, even a lifetime sometimes, to master.

Pac-Man is a game like this. The average Game Over in Pac-Man occurs after 3-5 boards. The kill screen does not appear until the 256th board.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Aug 07 2012 06:19 pm

Syd Lexia wrote:

Greg the White wrote:

I'm glad we have so many things to pick and choose from, and that people who may like games but may not be completely invested in them as a hobby all have ways to enjoy themselves.

Agreed.

Also, a game can be both simple and complex. Like chess, which is apparently the complexity and intellectual standard that Vert thinks all great video games must match.

Chess is simple enough that a child as young as 5 or 6 can learn the basic rules, but difficult enough that it can take years, even a lifetime sometimes, to master.

Pac-Man is a game like this. The average Game Over in Pac-Man occurs after 3-5 boards. The kill screen does not appear until the 256th board.

Chess is a very simple game. It has simple rules. It is simple to understand. Making chess more complicated and giving the player more options does not necessarily make for a better game. Very few people would argue Knightmare Chess or Archon are better games than chess (not that they aren't great games).

Even, say, Frogger (since I haven't played any of the Pac-man remakes)...simple game. Adding complexity and options and stuff to it? Didn't work.

Posted: Aug 07 2012 06:27 pm

Greg the White wrote:

Besides that, I just dislike the attitude that some people have that we should dump non-complex games, dump casual games, dump cover shooters, etc. just because it doesn't appeal to them. I'm glad we have so many things to pick and choose from, and that people who may like games but may not be completely invested in them as a hobby all have ways to enjoy themselves.

I agree with this. I think it is great that we have so many different games to pick from. Some days it is nice to be able to pick up a game and just play without having to deal with it being super complex all the time, but if I want a challenge there are a ton of games out there that can give me that challenge too. I think it is awesome that the Wii has made gaming more accessible and acceptable to a ton of people. Not everyone wants to play a game that takes 80+ hours to beat, some people want to pick up a controller and just play a game of bowling or some tennis. They might not be driving the industry with their smaller number of game purchases but at least we aren't having to listen to them be all super elitist about video games either like I assume those huge walls of text Vert posted were. Just shut the fuck up and be happy that we have tons of video games to choose from if we want to kill some time.

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I wish they made a version of Super Mario Brothers where you didn't control Mario. You controlled a neuron in Mario's brain. Actually, you would control all of the neurons. It would take a shitload of multi-taps, far more than were ever produced, but if you daisy chained them all, you could have each neuron be it's own controller. The A button would cause a neuron to fire, B would cause it to cease firing, and wiggling around on the D-pad would have a small chance of giving Mario a seizure, an aneurysm, or synesthesia. That way the tardfags and communist children who enjoy SMB would have to learn neuroscience and develop masculine reflex ability, or else shoot themselves in the face with a tampon cannon soaked in Axe body spray and Red Bull. When real people run, jump, shoot fireballs, and jump on turtles, they don't just hold left and push A. In real life. your brain, WHICH IS MADE UP OF NEURONS THAT FIRE, assembles itself into a complex, gestalt whole, which as an integrated part of the totality of your body, is the impetus of the act of running (vis-a-vis jumping, fireballing, tanooking, e.g. etc.). It is this complexity of neurology that makes turtle stomping fun in real life, thus it is the complexity that also lends to SMB, also known as Turtle Stomping Brothers: The Simulation, it's sense of fun, on the LESHLUSH normalized fun-score metric (logarithmic scale of course. We have learned our lesson.). I only wish the same could be said of the much inferior sequel, TSB:TS2: Judgment Day. If you've played TSB:TS and then afterwards enjoyed TSB:TS2, YOU JUST DON"T GET IT!

This is of course, also why cover shooters are bad. By adding cover, we assume a form of Cartesian Dualism, which takes a much different slant on the mind/body problem, ripping the heart of such reductionistly materialist games like Turok: Rage Wars (greatest shooter ever).

SOURCE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjNJX64cBOE

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What on earth did I just read?

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Aug 07 2012 10:05 pm

Drew Linky wrote:

What on earth did I just read?

The best damn thing ever.

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UsaSatsui wrote:

Drew Linky wrote:

What on earth did I just read?

The best damn thing ever.

I'm trying to wrap my head around it, I'm sorry I can't comprehend how awesome it is.

Posted: Aug 07 2012 10:13 pm

LeshLush wrote:

I wish they made a version of Super Mario Brothers where you didn't control Mario. You controlled a neuron in Mario's brain. Actually, you would control all of the neurons. It would take a shitload of multi-taps, far more than were ever produced, but if you daisy chained them all, you could have each neuron be it's own controller. The A button would cause a neuron to fire, B would cause it to cease firing, and wiggling around on the D-pad would have a small chance of giving Mario a seizure, an aneurysm, or synesthesia. That way the tardfags and communist children who enjoy SMB would have to learn neuroscience and develop masculine reflex ability, or else shoot themselves in the face with a tampon cannon soaked in Axe body spray and Red Bull. When real people run, jump, shoot fireballs, and jump on turtles, they don't just hold left and push A. In real life. your brain, WHICH IS MADE UP OF NEURONS THAT FIRE, assembles itself into a complex, gestalt whole, which as an integrated part of the totality of your body, is the impetus of the act of running (vis-a-vis jumping, fireballing, tanooking, e.g. etc.). It is this complexity of neurology that makes turtle stomping fun in real life, thus it is the complexity that also lends to SMB, also known as Turtle Stomping Brothers: The Simulation, it's sense of fun, on the LESHLUSH normalized fun-score metric (logarithmic scale of course. We have learned our lesson.). I only wish the same could be said of the much inferior sequel, TSB:TS2: Judgment Day. If you've played TSB:TS and then afterwards enjoyed TSB:TS2, YOU JUST DON"T GET IT!

This is of course, also why cover shooters are bad. By adding cover, we assume a form of Cartesian Dualism, which takes a much different slant on the mind/body problem, ripping the heart of such reductionistly materialist games like Turok: Rage Wars (greatest shooter ever).

SOURCE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjNJX64cBOE

I bow to you.

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You perniciously debated with great acumen and eloquence.

Fuckin' A, dude.

Posted: Aug 08 2012 12:19 am

Somebody buy that man a car!

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You guys get the car, I'll keep him happy with massages.

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Klimbatize wrote:

LeshLush wrote:

I wish they made a version of Super Mario Brothers where you didn't control Mario. You controlled a neuron in Mario's brain. Actually, you would control all of the neurons. It would take a shitload of multi-taps, far more than were ever produced, but if you daisy chained them all, you could have each neuron be it's own controller. The A button would cause a neuron to fire, B would cause it to cease firing, and wiggling around on the D-pad would have a small chance of giving Mario a seizure, an aneurysm, or synesthesia. That way the tardfags and communist children who enjoy SMB would have to learn neuroscience and develop masculine reflex ability, or else shoot themselves in the face with a tampon cannon soaked in Axe body spray and Red Bull. When real people run, jump, shoot fireballs, and jump on turtles, they don't just hold left and push A. In real life. your brain, WHICH IS MADE UP OF NEURONS THAT FIRE, assembles itself into a complex, gestalt whole, which as an integrated part of the totality of your body, is the impetus of the act of running (vis-a-vis jumping, fireballing, tanooking, e.g. etc.). It is this complexity of neurology that makes turtle stomping fun in real life, thus it is the complexity that also lends to SMB, also known as Turtle Stomping Brothers: The Simulation, it's sense of fun, on the LESHLUSH normalized fun-score metric (logarithmic scale of course. We have learned our lesson.). I only wish the same could be said of the much inferior sequel, TSB:TS2: Judgment Day. If you've played TSB:TS and then afterwards enjoyed TSB:TS2, YOU JUST DON"T GET IT!

This is of course, also why cover shooters are bad. By adding cover, we assume a form of Cartesian Dualism, which takes a much different slant on the mind/body problem, ripping the heart of such reductionistly materialist games like Turok: Rage Wars (greatest shooter ever).

SOURCE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjNJX64cBOE

I bow to you.

Thanks. I was inspired by your fake blog quote responses, and wanted to try my hand at the genre.

Posted: Aug 08 2012 04:10 am

LeshLush wrote:

Klimbatize wrote:

LeshLush wrote:

I wish they made a version of Super Mario Brothers where you didn't control Mario. You controlled a neuron in Mario's brain. Actually, you would control all of the neurons. It would take a shitload of multi-taps, far more than were ever produced, but if you daisy chained them all, you could have each neuron be it's own controller. The A button would cause a neuron to fire, B would cause it to cease firing, and wiggling around on the D-pad would have a small chance of giving Mario a seizure, an aneurysm, or synesthesia. That way the tardfags and communist children who enjoy SMB would have to learn neuroscience and develop masculine reflex ability, or else shoot themselves in the face with a tampon cannon soaked in Axe body spray and Red Bull. When real people run, jump, shoot fireballs, and jump on turtles, they don't just hold left and push A. In real life. your brain, WHICH IS MADE UP OF NEURONS THAT FIRE, assembles itself into a complex, gestalt whole, which as an integrated part of the totality of your body, is the impetus of the act of running (vis-a-vis jumping, fireballing, tanooking, e.g. etc.). It is this complexity of neurology that makes turtle stomping fun in real life, thus it is the complexity that also lends to SMB, also known as Turtle Stomping Brothers: The Simulation, it's sense of fun, on the LESHLUSH normalized fun-score metric (logarithmic scale of course. We have learned our lesson.). I only wish the same could be said of the much inferior sequel, TSB:TS2: Judgment Day. If you've played TSB:TS and then afterwards enjoyed TSB:TS2, YOU JUST DON"T GET IT!

This is of course, also why cover shooters are bad. By adding cover, we assume a form of Cartesian Dualism, which takes a much different slant on the mind/body problem, ripping the heart of such reductionistly materialist games like Turok: Rage Wars (greatest shooter ever).

SOURCE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjNJX64cBOE

I bow to you.

Thanks. I was inspired by your fake blog quote responses, and wanted to try my hand at the genre.

well, you did a fantastically awesome job.

Posted: Aug 08 2012 10:05 pm

You guys can say whatever the hell you want, I just added a whole bunch of neat games to my ROM collection thanks to this list~

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Methid Man wrote:

You guys can say whatever the hell you want, I just added a whole bunch of neat games to my ROM collection thanks to this list~

For as utterly nonsensical as it is for Bio Force Ape to be on this list, the little that exists of that game is awesome.

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Methid Man wrote:

You guys can say whatever the hell you want, I just added a whole bunch of neat games to my ROM collection thanks to this list~

Like I said before, if he had chosen some of those more obscure games and made it a "best games you may not have heard of" list, it'd be a really damned good article. Instead, it came off as kind of pretentious because he was just name-dropping the most obscure games he could and rating them above many popular classics. He still writes well, and a lot of those lesser-known games look cool, but it was the tone of the article, and the listing that rubbed people the wrong way.