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Posted: Jan 20 2012 01:37 pm

I'm of the opinion that he's just upset that he can't steal shit using them anymore. Plus he has an irrational hatred of America. I don't see what's wrong with the country with the most means to do so fighting piracy on the internet. I'm pretty sure if you call up your government and ask them to stop the US from pulling down piracy servers they'll start laughing and hang up on you.

The whole SOPA/PIPA shit is pretty much taken care of. You better damn well believe that if there's even the remotest chance of a bill allowing the internet to be censored that the American public won't do everything in their power to put an end to that shit. I'm fine with them finding ways to fight piracy, but they need to make sure the wording only lets them do that and there is no chance, however small, that it could be used for other things.

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Beach Bum wrote:

I'm of the opinion that he's just upset that he can't steal shit using them anymore. Plus he has an irrational hatred of America. I don't see what's wrong with the country with the most means to do so fighting piracy on the internet. I'm pretty sure if you call up your government and ask them to stop the US from pulling down piracy servers they'll start laughing and hang up on you.

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1. No i am not upset about stealing shit...i rarely pirate anything....have you seen my Steam list? I fucking buy all my games and my music. Fuck did you ever watch my video of the tour of my room ages ago....and saw my fucking dvd and cd collection. Holy fuck you just can't make up that shit. Did you see that thread where i said i bought a nes? Have you never overheard me on IRC saying i bought film x?

2. No i don't hate America, i think America does fucking shit things but so does all other countries. Fuck i could list you the shit that N.Ireland and Ireland has done that is stupid. How the fuck is what i said even irrational. I said that it's effecting international rights and it is....how is that irrational....and at least i can say that my country isn't perfect and don't get all fucking upset when i say that America isn't fucking perfect. NEWS FLASH IT ISN'T, yet for some reason this criticism warrents you thinking that i shit all over it. I love lots of stuff that America does....and what would those things be...perhaps those cds and dvds that i buy and fucking showed on that video. Majority American.

Like holy actual fuck you are just making up shit about what i said. I do think they should stop piracy. They are going about it the wrong way.

I'm telling you right now your opinion of what i think about SOPA is wrong.

AND way to confirm my point. You don't think i know that if i called up and said that they would hang up. What do you think my fucking point of "IT NEEDS TO BE INTERNATIONALLY SOLVED" was about.

Posted: Jan 20 2012 02:12 pm

US products are shipped all over the world. They're still subject to our quality control first. The internet shouldn't be any different just because people all around the world can use it. If your website's servers are based in America, you play by our rules.

Posted: Jan 20 2012 02:15 pm

Fighter_McWarrior wrote:

US products are shipped all over the world. They're still subject to our quality control first. The internet shouldn't be any different just because people all around the world can use it. If your website's servers are based in America, you play by our rules.

Considering it's based in Hong Kong..

Posted: Jan 20 2012 02:19 pm

I was talking about the internet in general, not just Megaupload.

But now that you mention it, my understanding of the story is that the US only seized their domestic servers so this whole "police the world internet" argument doesn't really work in this case.

Posted: Jan 20 2012 02:22 pm

Which is why the site is down outside of the US, correct?

Posted: Jan 20 2012 02:36 pm

According to what I'm reading, the site was headquartered in Hong Kong. But Hong Kong blocked it years ago, so they've been operating out of the US. That puts them under our jurisdiction

Posted: Jan 20 2012 02:41 pm

How about having two people arrested in New Zealand over it? That our jurisdiction as well?

Posted: Jan 20 2012 02:52 pm

We didn't arrest him. New Zealand police did.

Posted: Jan 20 2012 02:53 pm

We had them do it, was my point. Is that our jurisdiction?

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The main point is these people were making a huge profit off the distribution of illegal software. This isn't as cut and dried as "We didn't know people were storing Big Ass Bonanza 3 on there and distributing it for free!" Fuck yes you did, and you are charging for higher tier membership..

Posted: Jan 20 2012 02:56 pm

Yes. They broke the law in the United States, and we have an extradition treaty with New Zealand. They were running a company that was breaking US law in the US. That makes them eligible for arrest under those agreements.

Posted: Jan 20 2012 03:09 pm

See, that would make sense if they fled from the US and were fugitives, otherwise an extradition treaty is worthless.

Posted: Jan 20 2012 03:17 pm

I would be willing to bet that if the guys had been using a banking company to carry out an investment scheme in the US while staying on Norway you'd be singing a very different tune right now.

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The fact that the founder of Megaupload was a multi-millionaire who had been arrested in the past for credit card fraud, hacking, insider trading, and embezzlement as well as the authorities confiscating millions of dollars, guns and luxury cars from his giant mansion makes it so I don't give a shit what happens to him. He profited from illegal downloading, plain and simple, so go to jail like a big boy.

Posted: Jan 20 2012 03:21 pm

Fighter_McWarrior wrote:

I would be willing to bet that if the guys had been using a banking company to carry out an investment scheme in the US while staying on Norway you'd be singing a very different tune right now.

I agree with him being arrested, it's just the bullshit that we're pulling to do it that I don't agree with.

Posted: Jan 20 2012 03:23 pm

How? It was an agreement between two countries

Posted: Jan 20 2012 03:25 pm

Again, not. a. fugitive.

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Are you under the impression that you have to be a fugitive to be extradited?

Posted: Jan 20 2012 03:30 pm

Exactly. As long as you commit a crime in the US you can be extradited.

Posted: Jan 20 2012 03:33 pm

JoshWoodzy wrote:

Are you under the impression that you have to be a fugitive to be extradited?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_States

Extradition law in the United States is the formal process by which a fugitive found in one country or state is surrendered to another country or state for trial or punishment.

Just in case you needed some clarification.

Posted: Jan 20 2012 03:45 pm

Okay, I'll admit that I'm no lawyer, but I'm about positive that in this globalized economy, there is some sort of legal agreement between the US and a number of other countries that allows people who commit crimes against US citizens/companies to be charged for it. I don't have the expertise to tell you what that might specifically be, but I sincerely doubt that hte US just thugged NZ into arresting its own citizens. There's probably some kind of legal framework for it.

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That article also states that "the requesting executive must produce a copy of an indictment found or an affidavit made before a magistrate of any State or Territory, and such document must charge the fugitive demanded with having committed treason, felony, or other crime and such document must be certified as authentic by the governor or chief magistrate of the state or territory from whence the person so charged has fled."

The person can be declared a fugitive simply because they aren't in the country the indictment originates. They don't have to be actively running away to be considered a fugitive, is what you don't understand.

Posted: Jan 20 2012 04:05 pm

JoshWoodzy wrote:

That article also states that "the requesting executive must produce a copy of an indictment found or an affidavit made before a magistrate of any State or Territory, and such document must charge the fugitive demanded with having committed treason, felony, or other crime and such document must be certified as authentic by the governor or chief magistrate of the state or territory from whence the person so charged has fled."

The person can be declared a fugitive simply because they aren't in the country the indictment originates. They don't have to be actively running away to be considered a fugitive, is what you don't understand.

Pretty much this. Plus I know for a fact that many of our allied nations have mutual agreements with the US to allow for wanted felons to be extradited. I'm not even sure why we are arguing this, these guys committed some pretty serious crimes they deserve everything they get.

Posted: Jan 20 2012 04:17 pm

justdrop wrote:

Again, not. a. fugitive.

Read. Your. Own. Links. Just. In. Case. You. Needed. Some. Clarification.