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The Flaming Schnitzel
Title: Tsar of all Russias
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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 02:38 am Reply with quote Back to top

So I'm turning eighteen this Friday and I am lucky enough to have some money that I'll be getting now that I'm legal. I've decided to buy a laptop (amongst other things) with this money. Since I'm buying it with my own money, I'd like to get a very nice laptop. I know very little about computer lingo so I need help. What is (in your opinion) the best bang for your buck? I'm considering a MacBook Pro. What are the pros and cons of a Mac? Any info would be great!


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Knyte
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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 03:29 am Reply with quote Back to top

Macs are good for everything except gaming. They are reliable. Do not get targeted as often for viruses. If you just need multimedia, office tools, and internet, then they are great. Downside: They are stupidly overpriced.

If you go PC, look into ACER, ASUS, and Toshiba, they are they best bang for the buck.
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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 10:00 am Reply with quote Back to top

I am actually very close to buying a new laptop as well. There is a bit of a difference in our circumstances though. I require a Mac for my job and my desktop computers are both Windows PC's. So at the moment I am looking at a MacBook Pro as well.

Now... here is the question, "If the money buying the laptop was mine and not work's, would I still buy a MacBook Pro?"

No.

I would not buy any Apple computer if it were my own personal money being spent.

What would I buy?

I would be looking at a Dell, Samsung, Lenovo or Asus. Most likely Dell. I have a relationship with the company through work that makes servicing easier. If I didn't have that relationship then Samsung, Lenovo or Asus would be equally good choices. I would avoid HP, Toshiba, and Gateway. Don't get me wrong, they are ok computers, I just don't especially care for their style or support methods. Oh and HP sucks.

One other reason I like Dell is because I always want a warranty on a mobile computer. I drop them and break them. Accidental care is a requirement for me.

If you are interested I'll pull specs if you provide a general budget and describe what you want to use the computer for (specifics).



 
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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 10:14 am Reply with quote Back to top

You know, it makes me furious to know that you, an expert in tech, would recommend a Dell. My sister came very close to buying a Dell, and getting a free XBox 360 with it, but my mother did "research", which probably involved little more than asking the dried up old hags and various milquetoast twenty-somethings she works what kind of computers they liked, and "learned" that Dells are "bad".

My brother, his girlfriend, and I all said Apples suck, but no! Mom's bullshit "research" trumped all that because my sister is a naive kid who is easily manipulated by female authority figures.

So my sister ended up paying $300 for a lame computer that didn't come with a free bonus XBox 360. Fucking A.

Also, what do you know about the Windows Phone 7? I need to get a new phone sooner or later (probably sooner) and I'm down on Apple these days.
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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 01:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
Oh and HP sucks.

I could be saying this because my uncle does some software and hardware engineering for HP but, I like HP's. Once you get all the crap they load onto it before they ship them off they are decent computers.

But on the other hand Dell does have a great online support system and finding drivers from the Dell website is the easiest out of all the major computer manufacturers. HP's a bit more of a pain in the ass.

When it comes down to HP and Dell either way you need to be able to spend a decent chunk before you get to a good laptop.

That being I would never buy a computer soley based off of brand alone.

AND with THAT said I exclude Toshiba from that statement I would NEVER buy one of those god forsaken machines [see Hawk's thread for support to this.] When I see a Toshiba I think of a kid who's built his first computer and ordered what looked good, not caring for how compatible the components are or whether it'll all fit into the case right.

As for a Mac, I'm with GP on I wouldn't spend MY money on one.

When you go to shop I would keep my eye on whether the processor is Intel or AMD (I've had laptops with both, and I would choose Intel any day of the week but this is just me.) When it comes to the hard drive, don't buy a laptop with a giant hard drive if that pushes down the quality of the other components. Think if you'll actually fill up the amount it has. My laptop has a 320 GB hard drive. I've had it for almost a year now and I've still got 218 GB's free. It was actually closer to 180 GB's when I had all my pirated stuff on it. But I deleted all that a while ago.

Also keep in mind that you're buying it for college stuff. With college work you're not going to find much time for gaming so you don't need one with UBER 1337 gaming POWAHZ!!!! If you plan on doing some light gaming then look into one with a decent on board graphics. My laptop has an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series card and I can play Half life, Half life 2, Portal, Terraria, Frozen Synapse (with the fancy backgrounds disabled) and emulators just fine. Oddly enough Portal does lag just a bit until my laptop's been used for a while. But on my intel laptop (which WOULD be my primary if not for the broken screen) portal runs just fine.

TLTR Schnitz, we can't do much until you actually show us what is available for you to buy. Don't go out and buy one on your first run, report back with some specs, or at the very least write the model numbers down so we can google for them.
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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 02:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Out of GP's recommendations, I would go Asus.
I say this because I have and do own a dell laptop, and not only has their support sucked, warranty been a pain to work through, when it was still in warranty, and have both the hard drive and the onboard nic shit the bed, but I had to fix the UBS Ports. Now, granted, I may have gotten a bad unit, but this was my experience. And this was with the Gold level of support.

Now, I have seen not only with friends that have Asus laptops, but immediate family members with Asus laptops, they are damn near bulletproof. That is to say people who know nothing about computers, who in the past have always killed them due to their technological inadequacies, have yet to kill these. Conversely my nephew who is a very tech savy person, but beats the living holy shit out of anything, and games like it is his damn mission in life, hasn't destroyed or complained about his Asus. Now on his list, destroyed an HP Check, destroyed a Toshiba double check, destoryed an Asus, not yet.

Now the laptop I would want, but this is just because I like the idea of being able to drive over my laptop with a car, I want a Panasonic Toughbook. Do I need that, no, but hey it is what it is sirs.


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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 02:49 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I recently bought an Asus and I love it. Specifically:

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-G74SX-A1-17-3-Inch-Gaming-Laptop/dp/B00542SUD8/ref=dp_cp_ob_pc_title_4

It's a beast!

I am also partial to HP and love my Elitebook, they are built to last and are specifically designed for engineering, but can be pricy ($2,300ish). However, with rumors of HP leaving the hardware business it might not be the best choice, and their lower end laptops are generally crappy.
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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 03:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah I wouldn't buy a Macbook myself, because for the money you'll pay for that overpriced thing you could probably get a high end gaming laptop. I personally have a Toshiba that I only bought because it was under 250 dollars and I didn't need anything fancy because I already have a nice desktop. If I had to buy a laptop for a primary computer I'd probably go with Asus, Samsung, or Sony myself. I'd avoid Compaq and HP like the plague.

Dell I've had some bad experiences with in the customer service department. Ordered a laptop and it got backordered because of the color I picked not being in stock or something, so they told me if I changed it I'd get it in a week instead of a month and a half, then when I did the thing got put on a two month backorder instead. Ended up having to cancel that because I'm not spending money and never seeing the product. My Mom never has any issues with them though and those are the only things she buys.
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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 04:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Also, what do you know about the Windows Phone 7? I need to get a new phone sooner or later (probably sooner) and I'm down on Apple these days.

From what I have heard, WP7 isn't very good in it's current state, not that I have ever used one, since no-one I know has one (Everyone I see has an iPhone or Android phone). I would suggest an Android phone, if you're looking for a not-iPhone.


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The Flaming Schnitzel
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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 05:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Alright, I wasn't totally sold on the MacBook anyways. I just want opinions before I buy anything.

My budget is kinda open. I'd like to spend less than $1000, but if I totally love it I'd probably go for one that's more expensive. Total limit is $1500 (because I don't want to spend ALL of the money I'm getting on just a laptop).

As for what I need... I am a college student, so I need something reliable. I'm willing to buy software if needed. I do a lot of Photoshop and video editing so I need something that cooperates with that (my last laptop crashed everytime I opened up my video editing software). I do some gaming, nothing heavy tho. Just Sims 3 and emulators.

I just feel like if I have the money to get the best than I'll get the best. I don't want it causing me grief later. I really don't know models or brands because I've only owned two laptops and I didn't choose either (one was a Toshiba that my dad got me from his friend and the other was an outdated Dell model mandated by my university).


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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 05:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah if you are going to play Sims 3 you need a PC unless you want to go rebuy the game for Mac, if they even make it for Mac.
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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 05:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I don't know if they still do this, but around the time I bought a Toshiba (2007), they would come so loaded out of the box with stupid shit, that the machine couldn't handle it and would just shut off randomly. It was a serious pain in the ass.

I have an ASUS now, and really like it. Solid as a rock, and clean of any stupid bullshit. It's been about 6 months, and the only problem I've had was with the sound drivers. A simple rollback fixed that.

And Syd, I feel your pain with the whole middle-aged technology sewing circle. I went through a nightmare recently when I helped my dad pick out a new free phone for his cell plan.


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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 05:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

If you want an elitebook this is on sale right now.
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/html/psg_042811_nb6/index.asp?jumpid=in_r2910_psg_042811_nb6/8460p_auto/psgpromo/spnb/heasmith&oi=E9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID

With your price range you'll be able to get a decent laptop.

Also, I would avoid buying a laptop at Wal-mart, I've heard stories of them listing different specs and switching out hardware.

I've never bought one from them so I can't say they're true, but I'd still avoid them
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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 07:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Hacker wrote:
Once you get all the crap they load onto it before they ship them off they are decent computers.

I can confirm this. If you don't mind an initial pain-in-the-ass cleaning, they are pretty solid.

Quote:
My laptop has an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series card...

Mine does as well and can easily handle Photoshop, Painter, etc.

It also plays Pacific Fighters full detail, full speed (until you have a huge dogfight with excess planes Razz )

And you'll want at least 4 gigs of RAM for Photoshop-ing/video-editing.
G.SKILL 4GB 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Laptop Memory
(Only $22?!? laptop memory got cheap since I was buying Shocked) Buy one and fill any remaining slots. Smile

Black Viper's Windows7 service configuration guide - you can also turn off (a lot of) unneeded services to free up extra memory/ improve boot times.
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PostPosted: Sep 04 2011 10:29 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I would like to take a moment to explain some things that have happened in Dell's history and why I am willing to do business with them even if they charge a few extra bucks.

Back in 2003-2005 dell got into a lot of trouble. There was a large shipment of bad capacitors that hit just about every major computer vendor. Instead of owning up to it immediately, Dell tried to sweep it under the rug. Well, they got caught. They were reamed out by the industry and received a bad name for a long time. Large fuckups like that and having poor marketing problems such as Ben Curtis tarnished the name of the company. Dell never did any damage control and ultimately pretended like it never happened.

Now they actually have decent products, but they no longer offer the lowest prices. Their consumer business does well, but no where near as well as it would if they managed their PR nightmares.

I work with the company regularly on the Business side of things and in turn I also work with their Home division. They have a system that you need to understand or you will pay a premium, however if you can figure out how shopping at BestBuy works, you can understand Dell. Get coupons, wait for deals, and don't buy in a pinch. They have the easiest warranty to work with out of any company and if you are like me and break your shit often, then that matters.

Syd Lexia wrote:
You know, it makes me furious to know that you, an expert in tech, would recommend a Dell. My sister came very close to buying a Dell, and getting a free XBox 360 with it, but my mother did "research", which probably involved little more than asking the dried up old hags and various milquetoast twenty-somethings she works what kind of computers they liked, and "learned" that Dells are "bad".

My brother, his girlfriend, and I all said Apples suck, but no! Mom's bullshit "research" trumped all that because my sister is a naive kid who is easily manipulated by female authority figures.

So my sister ended up paying $300 for a lame computer that didn't come with a free bonus XBox 360. Fucking A.

Also, what do you know about the Windows Phone 7? I need to get a new phone sooner or later (probably sooner) and I'm down on Apple these days.

Laughing I had to reread that first paragraph because you had me going at first.

As for a phone, I bought a smart phone this past spring. I got an Android and I absolutely love it. I have friends and family that have iPhones, and honestly, while some Apps are more polished than Android ones, the phones are no longer technology leaders in their field. Apple is stagnating their phones just like they do with their computers. It is brilliant marketing if you want to make a lot of money, however it isn't the smartest investment for a consumer. In any case, I can tell you that Android is fantastic.

Microsoft missed the boat with Windows Phone 7... but that wasn't the point of Windows Phone 7. Let me clear this up. Microsoft is planning to make their OS more like a phone. Windows Phone 7 is their first step. Windows 8 is going to look more like Windows Phone 7 than Windows 7.

There are pros and cons to this move, we can start a topic about it when the beta is released and it is no longer speculation.

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GPFontaine wrote:
Oh and HP sucks.

I could be saying this because my uncle does some software and hardware engineering for HP but, I like HP's. Once you get all the crap they load onto it before they ship them off they are decent computers.

But on the other hand Dell does have a great online support system and finding drivers from the Dell website is the easiest out of all the major computer manufacturers. HP's a bit more of a pain in the ass.

When it comes down to HP and Dell either way you need to be able to spend a decent chunk before you get to a good laptop.

Read the business section of a news paper or just search online.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/29/us-hp-pc-idUSTRE77S6FR20110829

Can we now agree that HP is just not a good idea? I mean, if they can't figure out what they are doing with their computers, why would you invest in them?



 
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The Flaming Schnitzel
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PostPosted: Sep 05 2011 01:26 am Reply with quote Back to top

Ok...so....still unsure what brand to get. And then I have to think of what product. I hate shopping for stuff that has like a million varieties. They srsly all seem the same to me. I mean, I'm not an idiot when it comes to computers but I am not good with the jargon. Like I said, I'll probably be buying software and I have an external hard drive. So those factors don't appeal to be. I'm more interested in the processor and RAM an such. What is Asus? I've never heard of it before.


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PostPosted: Sep 05 2011 01:48 am Reply with quote Back to top

ASUS has been in the Desktop business for many years, and their motherboards are the "Cadillacs" of high end PC building. They are also well known for their Videocards and Monitors.

And, it's one brand that both GP and I agree on.

They have a VERY varied selection of Laptops, and just about something for all prices. If you want to do photoshop and gaming, then I highly recommend the "G" series. (The G stands for "gaming".)

Such as:

Lower range of your pricing:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230027
15.6" Laptop
G53SW-XN1
i7 2630QM
6GB RAM
500GB HDD 7200RPM
GeForce GTX 460M
$1,119.99

Higher End of your range:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230101
15.6" Laptop
i7 2630QM
12GB RAM
750GB HDD 7200RPM
GeForce GTX 560M
$1,399.99
More Ram, bigger hard drive, and one generation newer video card.
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PostPosted: Sep 05 2011 09:36 am Reply with quote Back to top

I forgot to add: TEST THE KEYBOARD! Razz

When I was shopping for a laptop, the first three choices I had from researching online had horrible keys/key placement. Spend, at least, a few minutes on a floor model typing (actual sentences) in Notepad.


The one I eventually bought has a column of shortcut keys along the left edge and I infrequently hit the 'Calculator' button instead of Ctrl. Confused
I'm too lazy to just turn them off. Smile
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PostPosted: Sep 05 2011 09:51 am Reply with quote Back to top

Schnitzel,

Knyte's two choices are very good options.

Asus is famous for being a motherboard manufacturer. In recent history they have established a good laptop business that is well priced, innovative and powerful.

Newegg is an excellent distributor and has great customer service. You should look into an accidental coverage warranty if you feel like you might ever be clumsy.



 
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The Flaming Schnitzel
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PostPosted: Sep 05 2011 12:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Knyte, those sound perfect! Thanks for the help. I'm not sure how much money I'm getting so I don't know if I'm willing to shell out $1300 for the second one. But either one is exactly what I want. I just need to wait until Friday to figure out how much I'm getting. My dad said probably $3000-$5000 but no one really knows because the account is in my name so I'm the only one who can access it.

Thanks everyone for the help! Smile


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