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Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice


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Ghandi
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2011 04:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/228583-Scientists-cure-cancer-but-no-one-takes-notice

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Canadian researchers find a simple cure for cancer, but major pharmaceutical companies are not interested.

Researchers at the University of Alberta, in Edmonton, Canada have cured cancer last week, yet there is a little ripple in the news or in TV. It is a simple technique using very basic drug. The method employs dichloroacetate, which is currently used to treat metabolic disorders. So, there is no concern of side effects or about their long term effects.

This drug doesn't require a patent, so anyone can employ it widely and cheaply compared to the costly cancer drugs produced by major pharmaceutical companies.



Canadian scientists tested this dichloroacetate (DCA) on human's cells; it killed lung, breast and brain cancer cells and left the healthy cells alone. It was tested on Rats inflicted with severe tumors; their cells shrank when they were fed with water supplemented with DCA. The drug is widely available and the technique is easy to use, why the major drug companies are not involved? Or the Media interested in this find?

In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, the mitochondria, but they need to be triggered to be effective. Scientists used to think that these mitochondria cells were damaged and thus ineffective against cancer. So they used to focus on glycolysis, which is less effective in curing cancer and more wasteful. The drug manufacturers focused on this glycolysis method to fight cancer. This DCA on the other hand doesn't rely on glycolysis instead on mitochondria; it triggers the mitochondria which in turn fights the cancer cells.

The side effect of this is it also reactivates a process called apoptosis. You see, mitochondria contain an all-too-important self-destruct button that can't be pressed in cancer cells. Without it, tumors grow larger as cells refuse to be extinguished. Fully functioning mitochondria, thanks to DCA, can once again die.

With glycolysis turned off, the body produces less lactic acid, so the bad tissue around cancer cells doesn't break down and seed new tumors.

Pharmaceutical companies are not investing in this research because DCA method cannot be patented, without a patent they can't make money, like they are doing now with their AIDS Patent. Since the pharmaceutical companies won't develop this, the article says other independent laboratories should start producing this drug and do more research to confirm all the above findings and produce drugs. All the groundwork can be done in collaboration with the Universities, who will be glad to assist in such research and can develop an effective drug for curing cancer.

You can access the original research for this cancer here.

This article wants to raise awareness for this study, hope some independent companies and small startup will pick up this idea and produce these drugs, because the big companies won't touch it for a long time.


All about the $$. What we already knew. Healthy people don't buy medicine so keep them sick.

This story needs to get around.


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PostPosted: Sep 01 2011 05:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It's probably not getting any attention because the people reporting it are bending the truth quite a bit. I read the original post to check out the research, and of course there is no link to it.

I went the University of Alberta's site to find the research, and of course they're optimistic about it, but it by no means cures all cancer like magic. It does appear to help reduce cancer cells in the body, though.

Oh, and the last real info to come from that University on this subject is from March 2007. Sounds like some alarmist website came across this from years before and decided to run with it.

http://www.dca.med.ualberta.ca/Home/Updates/2007-03-15_Update.cfm


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PostPosted: Sep 01 2011 05:08 pm Reply with quote Back to top

they did that w/lasers & gold particles as well. they would cover the cancer w/gold, and then use lasers to heat it up & kill it. but of course no one took notice. probably not that cost efficient.

http://www.emaxhealth.com/1020/51/36025/golden-bullet-nanocages-and-laser-light-kills-cancer-cells.html


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PostPosted: Sep 01 2011 05:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

If the American Cancer Society is actually a foundation helping look for a cure, I'm completely shocked that they aren't even blinking at this.


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PostPosted: Sep 01 2011 08:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm not shocked at all that nobody would care. Snooki isn't talking about it on Jersey Shore, and Big Pharma definitely wouldn't be interested unless they could milk every dollar out of it possible. Modern medicine, by and large, isn't really about prevention or cure so much as sustaining the patient so maximum fiat cash bleed can be achieved on each and every one. Thus, the reason I avoid the hospital or doctors like Hell unless I'm, say, bleeding with my ground up finger in the blender.


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I haven't taken biology since 10th grade (1996), but did anyone else catch the sentence:

"In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, the mitochondria, but they need to be triggered to be effective. Scientists used to think that these mitochondria cells were damaged and thus ineffective against cancer."

Aren't mitochondria a part of almost all of our cells? They aren't a type of cell. It is like calling a liver, heart or lung a type of human.



 
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2011 08:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
I haven't taken biology since 10th grade (1996), but did anyone else catch the sentence:

"In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, the mitochondria, but they need to be triggered to be effective. Scientists used to think that these mitochondria cells were damaged and thus ineffective against cancer."

Aren't mitochondria a part of almost all of our cells? They aren't a type of cell. It is like calling a liver, heart or lung a type of human.


They are a part of a cell, they are used to produce energy within cells.
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Alowishus wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
I haven't taken biology since 10th grade (1996), but did anyone else catch the sentence:

"In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, the mitochondria, but they need to be triggered to be effective. Scientists used to think that these mitochondria cells were damaged and thus ineffective against cancer."

Aren't mitochondria a part of almost all of our cells? They aren't a type of cell. It is like calling a liver, heart or lung a type of human.


They are a part of a cell, they are used to produce energy within cells.


They're also what contains DNA strands, and specifically, ones transmitted from the mother's side, if I'm not mistaken (mitochondrial DNA, anyone play Parasite Eve before?)


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PostPosted: Sep 01 2011 09:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

aeonic wrote:
Alowishus wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
I haven't taken biology since 10th grade (1996), but did anyone else catch the sentence:

"In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, the mitochondria, but they need to be triggered to be effective. Scientists used to think that these mitochondria cells were damaged and thus ineffective against cancer."

Aren't mitochondria a part of almost all of our cells? They aren't a type of cell. It is like calling a liver, heart or lung a type of human.


They are a part of a cell, they are used to produce energy within cells.


They're also what contains DNA strands, and specifically, ones transmitted from the mother's side, if I'm not mistaken (mitochondrial DNA, anyone play Parasite Eve before?)


That's the first thing I think of when ever see/hear something about mitochondria.
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2011 09:36 pm Reply with quote Back to top

aeonic wrote:
They're also what contains DNA strands, and specifically, ones transmitted from the mother's side, if I'm not mistaken (mitochondrial DNA, anyone play Parasite Eve before?)

Yup, it sucked scrote.


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PostPosted: Sep 01 2011 09:59 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Okay, here's what is wrong with this article.

1 - Holy shit, is there no sourcing for this. Klim touched on it, but there's absolutely nothing to this at all that can be verified. Even the source, HubPages, is basically a glorified blog - you can write whatever you want on it.

2 - Why would big pharmaceutical companies want to fund this anyways? It's an existing drug. It's already being made. Why would a drug company fund research into a drug that already exists? It's not like they're refusing to manufacture it...

3 - Drugs do not work that way. You don't find the "wonder cure" and release it overnight to the world. It takes years and years of studies, tests, trials, and the like to document the effects and the safety of the drugs (and this drug apparently has some nasty-ass side effects, including possibly being a carcinogen itself). The drug shows promise, but even if they did find the cure, it's only one of several wonder drugs that have come down the pipeline and may or may not have worked out.

Anyways, some insight:
http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2010/05/12/potential-cancer-drug-dca-tested-in-early-trials/
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/05/cure-for-cancer-resurfaces-and.html
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2011 10:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

UsaSatsui wrote:

2 - Why would big pharmaceutical companies want to fund this anyways? It's an existing drug. It's already being made. Why would a drug company fund research into a drug that already exists? It's not like they're refusing to manufacture it...

Pretty much the point of the "article". If it's not a source of revenue it's not important. However they should be looking at what the drug is or isn't doing and improving it at least. Then they could patent it and make Trillions, by selling it for astronomical amounts.

Give "us" a cure for cancer and you aren't going to see a decrease in Cancer patients, people will start smoking, and injecting themselves with Carcinogens the second they know there is a cure.


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GPFontaine wrote:
I haven't taken biology since 10th grade (1996), but did anyone else catch the sentence:

"In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, the mitochondria, but they need to be triggered to be effective. Scientists used to think that these mitochondria cells were damaged and thus ineffective against cancer."

Aren't mitochondria a part of almost all of our cells? They aren't a type of cell. It is like calling a liver, heart or lung a type of human.


"Mitochondria is the powerhouse of a cell."

This is the only thing that stayed with me from every science class I took.


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Yup, it sucked scrote.


Totally Agree

Bonus points for use of the word scrote


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I thought no one had noticed because of Kim Kardashian's wedding.


There are a lot of what if's in life Donny. What if I hit you really hard in the face, knocked yo shit to the back of yo skull? What if I....had you girl gargle my nuts? The fact remains, you are a fuckin mutant.
 
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Fuck you guys.

I loved Parasite Eve.
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Atma wrote:
Fuck you guys.

I loved Parasite Eve.

THANK YOU.

That's one of my all time favorite PS1 games. Seriously.


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If they cured cancer people would just continue to die of diabetes or drunk driving or strokes and heat attacks, and it would probably increase because HEY CANCER IS CURED WOOO!

The trick is to take care of yourself, and not abuse every single thing you can get your slimy mits on and then hope and pray for a miracle cure. IMO moderation is a great foundation to good health. My Grandfather is 82 and in fantastic health, but then again he eats sensibly, quit smoking in the 60s, never drank, and doesn't consume obscene amounts of sugar like most Americans (no soda or juice etc, he drinks nothing but water). Yeah sure his doctors have caught some skin and colon cancer early due to regular checkups and they were removed with minimal hassle, but considering the fact that he's 82 is on no medication and has outlived his entire family except his wife and me and most of his extended family due to cancer I think that's a good record.

That being said I'm going to eat some fried shrimp, have a few drinks, and smoke a giant cigar. I don't want to live forever.



 
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Atma wrote:
Fuck you guys.

I loved Parasite Eve.


This. PEII, on the other hand, sucked scrote. May have nibbled on it a bit, as well.


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SoldierHawk wrote:
Atma wrote:
Fuck you guys.

I loved Parasite Eve.

THANK YOU.

That's one of my all time favorite PS1 games. Seriously.

I always wanted to play it and now that I have I have to agree, PE is great... to bad the Third Birthday worked out that way...
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It's funny that a thread with the words "no one takes notice" in the title derails into a discussion about a video game almost immediately.


Pretty much the greatest thread of all time: http://www.sydlexia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14789

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aeonic wrote:
Alowishus wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
I haven't taken biology since 10th grade (1996), but did anyone else catch the sentence:

"In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, the mitochondria, but they need to be triggered to be effective. Scientists used to think that these mitochondria cells were damaged and thus ineffective against cancer."

Aren't mitochondria a part of almost all of our cells? They aren't a type of cell. It is like calling a liver, heart or lung a type of human.


They are a part of a cell, they are used to produce energy within cells.


They're also what contains DNA strands, and specifically, ones transmitted from the mother's side, if I'm not mistaken (mitochondrial DNA, anyone play Parasite Eve before?)


Incorrect i am afraid.

In cell biology, a mitochondrion (plural mitochondria) is a membrane-enclosed organelle found in most eukaryotic cells.[1] These organelles range from 0.5 to 10 micrometers (μm) in diameter. Mitochondria are sometimes described as "cellular power plants" because they generate most of the cell's supply of adenosine triphosphate (ATP), used as a source of chemical energy.[2] In addition to supplying cellular energy, mitochondria are involved in a range of other processes, such as signaling, cellular differentiation, cell death, as well as the control of the cell cycle and cell growth.[3]

The DNA is held within the nucleus:

In cell biology, the nucleus (pl. nuclei; from Latin nucleus or nuculeus, meaning kernel) is a membrane-enclosed organelle found in eukaryotic cells. It contains most of the cell's genetic material, organized as multiple long linear DNA molecules in complex with a large variety of proteins, such as histones, to form chromosomes. The genes within these chromosomes are the cell's nuclear genome. The function of the nucleus is to maintain the integrity of these genes and to control the activities of the cell by regulating gene expression — the nucleus is, therefore, the control center of the cell.

Then there's RNA and endoplasmic reticiulium or some shit, i can't remember it's all A level stuff.
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If they cure cancer, that will just bring on SUPER CANCER.


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Alowishus wrote:
Incorrect i am afraid. *insert copy-pasted wikipedia stuff about regular DNA*

Now, mitochondrial DNA!
Quote:
Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is the DNA located in organelles called mitochondria, structures within eukaryotic cells that convert the chemical energy from food into a form that cells can use, adenosine triphosphate (ATP). Most other DNA present in eukaryotic organisms is found in the cell nucleus.
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lavalarva wrote:
Alowishus wrote:
Incorrect i am afraid. *insert copy-pasted wikipedia stuff about regular DNA*

Now, mitochondrial DNA!
Quote:
Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is the DNA located in organelles called mitochondria, structures within eukaryotic cells that convert the chemical energy from food into a form that cells can use, adenosine triphosphate (ATP). Most other DNA present in eukaryotic organisms is found in the cell nucleus.


I'm afraid i must refute.

Mitochondrial DNA is the DNA specific to mitochondria i.e. it's the only DNA located there.

From chromosomes wiki:
Also, cells may contain more than one type of chromosome; for example, mitochondria in most eukaryotes and chloroplasts in plants have their own small chromosomes.

Nearly all other DNA is found in the Cell Nucleus.

Truthfully i wasn't aware of this Mitochrondia DNA, so my bad, but when Aeonic said: "They're also what contains DNA strands" i presumed ALL DNA.
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