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Is the PS3 the next "Dreamcast"


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Tebor
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PostPosted: May 04 2007 09:18 pm Reply with quote Back to top

In a few interviews I've read, it seems most celebs have the PS3. This is probably because money is no object to them. It'd be nice if the upper class society single handedly kept the PS3 afloat.


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PostPosted: May 04 2007 09:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The sad thing is, celebs probably only buy it because they see it as a status symbol and don't actually play it. And so, by purchasing a $600 room decoration, they are helping to convince sad little people who watch E! all day and read Us Weekly that the PS3 is something worth seeking out, when in reality, it is a $600 room decoration.
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PostPosted: May 05 2007 04:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
The sad thing is, celebs probably only buy it because they see it as a status symbol and don't actually play it. And so, by purchasing a $600 room decoration, they are helping to convince sad little people who watch E! all day and read Us Weekly that the PS3 is something worth seeking out, when in reality, it is a $600 room decoration.


Syd, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but the PS3 isn't worthless. Your bashing of it (and everyone else's) seems to be a bit baseless. It's a good system, it's just priced a little too high. It was the same thing when the PS2 first came out. It didn't have any good games untl at least a year into its life span, and look how much better it sold than the Gamecube and Xbox. It just seems that bashing the PS3 is the "cool" thing to do now, because EVERYONE is bashing it. I'm pretty sure none of this will matter in a year or two; Sony is going to drop the price, and it will probably end up being successful as the PS2 was. I'm not saying the Wii and 360 won't be successful as well, but everyone seems to be forgetting that the PS2 wasn't seeling too well when it first came out either.
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PostPosted: May 05 2007 07:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I own one, and I'm not happy with it at all. The controller is too light and feels cheap, the lack of rumble is immediately noticeable, the system runs hot (it seems to keep my room warm at night) it's loud, the six axis is useless, it gives me trouble with loading some movies, and I can't find any games that I actually want to play besides virtua fighter.


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PostPosted: May 05 2007 07:44 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Jonny wrote:
It's a good system, it's just priced a little too high. It was the same thing when the PS2 first came out. It didn't have any good games untl at least a year into its life span, and look how better it sold than the Gamecube and Xbox. It just seems that bashing the PS3 is the "cool" thing to do now, because EVERYONE is bashing it.


Agreed on the bashing thing, but the biggest reason PS2 outsold Xbox and Gamecube is because it basically sat on the shelf by itself as the only next gen game system for almost a year, since Dreamcast was unfortanatly dying. Just look at 360. What's a big reason it's outsold the other two right now?


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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: May 05 2007 09:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, PS2 beat the GCN and XBox to the market. Another reason it sold well was that Sony had built up a fanbase as well as its marketshare with PSX while Nintendo lost a lot of ground with the N64. At the time, Microsoft was the new to the market, and very few peopley cared if what they had to offer was any good or not. They were big bad Microsoft, and they were looking for an easy buck. Microsoft would eventually win over games, but at the launch of the original XBox, no one was really paying any attention to them.

The problem with the PS3 is more than just the price. If the PS3 had been the first nextgen console to the market, they could have gotten away with having the highest price tag. But they weren't, they were the last. Then when the system wasn't selling as well as they would have liked, SCEA's president claimed that you couldn't find them anywhere (which wasn't true) and then tried to pretend that limited store inventories were due to high sales when they were actually due to production problems, the same production problems that had prevented the PS3 launch from happening months earlier.

As a piece of hardware, the PS3 is state of the art. As a console, the PS3 is garbage. The extra money that you pay for the system doesn't give you anything significant. Oh man, the PS3 has slightly better graphics than the 360, so I can see a few extra beads of sweat on Peyton Manning's forehead when I'm playing Madden. Big fucking deal. But to Sony, that's a major selling point. Hell, I surprised it's not their tagline

PS3: Our Sports Games Look Slightly More Real Than The Other Guys

The fact is, graphics have progressed to the point where it doesn't really matter whose are technically better. Can programmers make a game that looks better than Doom 3? Probably. Will the average gamer really fucking care? No. Aside from better graphics, PS3 will never have much to offer that its competitors won't. And by the time they do, it'll be too late. 360 had a year headstart and the Wii is building up it's game library much faster than the PS3. When the PS3 finally has a game or two worth owning, who'll care? When PS3 finally drops some bomb releases, everyone will be sitting at home playing their 360s and Wiis. No one's gonna drop $600 on a system just so they can play one lousy game. If they do, they're retarded.

I know I'm being a little harsh, but every generation of consoles has a whipping boy. Nintendo and Microsoft had they turns, now it's Sony's.
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PostPosted: May 05 2007 10:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd you just BURNED Jonny. Give that guy some aloe vera...looks nasty.

Like I said i'm not biased when it comes to systems, I am however against the Anti-Playstationism thats been going on since they came out.

I 100% agree that Sony has fucked itself hardcore, and this might be it for them, but atleast give them a year before completely shunning them. Ps2 games that came out looked amazing cause we were used to 64 and 32 bit games, but near the end of the run of PS2 they had games that were simply amazing graphical wise. Take God of War for example. Compare that to Orphen...one of the first PS2 games I owned. Over the years developers learn more and more of what a system can handle or do. Looking at the games that came out with PS3 they are around the same as PS2. Nothing Spectacular nothing noteworthy.

But all the Xbox 360 owners I can't answer this question because I didn't own one until Gears came out, what launched with Xbox 360, what awesome titles were out for that? The only reason I really still own a 360 is because of Halo 3 and the orgasmic time I will have with that.

I agree with Jew that the controllers for PS3 feel like crap, cheap plastic and incredibly light, I think the Wiimote might even be heavier, and Six-axis is probably going to bomb 10 feet under the middle of the earth, but there are some companies still out there that could easily make PS3 the #1 system and vice-versa.
Plus the Playstation Store alone could warrant a purchase.

I still think Wii is my favorite system out hands down. But then again im not a graphics whore, I'm a old-school gamer. Maybe that's my problem. Like before I'm just interested what's to come.


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PostPosted: May 05 2007 11:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, another huge difference was last time is that every system but Gamecube was priced the same. Now, thats not the case.


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PostPosted: May 06 2007 02:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Yeah, PS2 beat the GCN and XBox to the market. Another reason it sold well was that Sony had built up a fanbase as well as its marketshare with PSX while Nintendo lost a lot of ground with the N64. At the time, Microsoft was the new to the market, and very few peopley cared if what they had to offer was any good or not. They were big bad Microsoft, and they were looking for an easy buck. Microsoft would eventually win over games, but at the launch of the original XBox, no one was really paying any attention to them.

The problem with the PS3 is more than just the price. If the PS3 had been the first nextgen console to the market, they could have gotten away with having the highest price tag. But they weren't, they were the last. Then when the system wasn't selling as well as they would have liked, SCEA's president claimed that you couldn't find them anywhere (which wasn't true) and then tried to pretend that limited store inventories were due to high sales when they were actually due to production problems, the same production problems that had prevented the PS3 launch from happening months earlier.

As a piece of hardware, the PS3 is state of the art. As a console, the PS3 is garbage. The extra money that you pay for the system doesn't give you anything significant. Oh man, the PS3 has slightly better graphics than the 360, so I can see a few extra beads of sweat on Peyton Manning's forehead when I'm playing Madden. Big fucking deal. But to Sony, that's a major selling point. Hell, I surprised it's not their tagline

PS3: Our Sports Games Look Slightly More Real Than The Other Guys

The fact is, graphics have progressed to the point where it doesn't really matter whose are technically better. Can programmers make a game that looks better than Doom 3? Probably. Will the average gamer really fucking care? No. Aside from better graphics, PS3 will never have much to offer that its competitors won't. And by the time they do, it'll be too late. 360 had a year headstart and the Wii is building up it's game library much faster than the PS3. When the PS3 finally has a game or two worth owning, who'll care? When PS3 finally drops some bomb releases, everyone will be sitting at home playing their 360s and Wiis. No one's gonna drop $600 on a system just so they can play one lousy game. If they do, they're retarded.

I know I'm being a little harsh, but every generation of consoles has a whipping boy. Nintendo and Microsoft had they turns, now it's Sony's.


Honestly Syd, it really doesn't matter. The thing about the PS3 is that what you said just doesn't matter. I'm pretty confident that Sony is going to make the right choice and drop the price, and when they do, and games like Kingdom Hearts 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, Devil May Cry 4, Final Fantasy XIII, Resident Evil 5, the next Ratchet and Clank, and other games come out, the PS3 is going to start to sell well. I really think you're underestimating the power of the series that I just listed, those are big console selling series. The only next gen system I currently own is the Wii, and I have 2 games: Super Paper Mario and Wii Sports, if you can even really count Wii Sports. I'm hoping that the Wii starts coming out with their good games soon, because I'm getting pissed. I know this post probably isn't going to change your opinion of the PS3, but I don't really care, because I'm confident the PS3 will do much better than people expect.
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PostPosted: May 06 2007 02:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Dudes, check this this out:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/785/785804p1.html


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PostPosted: May 06 2007 03:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

IMO Playstation is dead to me. PS1 was my favorite system ever, soooo many good games, but most of them are either on other systems now or aren't as interesting anymore. I was hoping to get a ps3 like I got my PS2, fix a broken one. But it looks like Sony did a great job on PS3, I haven;t heard of any breaking yet, save for demo units freezing etc. Gotta hand them that at least.


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PostPosted: May 06 2007 04:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

But see, two of those games (RE5, DMC4) are already confirmed for the 360 as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see FF13 or MGS4 on the 360 as well, and we'll definitely see some sort of MGS on the Wii, though not necessarily MGS4. And with Nintendo/Square-Enix relations being as good as they are, I don't think it's implausible that Kingdom Hearts 3 might show up on the Wii.

And the PS3 is already doing better than most people want to admit. Is it living up to Sony's hype? No. But it's not the epic failure that some of us like to bill it as. That won't stop me from billing it as an epic failure though... I took a lot of shit from PSX owners for years back when I had an N64, and karma's a bitch.
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PostPosted: May 06 2007 05:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Dunno much about most of those games, but God of War 3 will obviously be amazing and LBP looks pretty damn cool.
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PostPosted: May 06 2007 06:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm skeptical about Gundam games on the PS3. (But I do love Gundam vs Zeta Gundam on my PS2). The point is that Sony won out last time, with a tie for second between Xbox and Gamecube. Now it's somebody else's turn.


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PostPosted: May 06 2007 08:36 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
But see, two of those games (RE5, DMC4) are already confirmed for the 360 as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see FF13 or MGS4 on the 360 as well, and we'll definitely see some sort of MGS on the Wii, though not necessarily MGS4. And with Nintendo/Square-Enix relations being as good as they are, I don't think it's implausible that Kingdom Hearts 3 might show up on the Wii.

And the PS3 is already doing better than most people want to admit. Is it living up to Sony's hype? No. But it's not the epic failure that some of us like to bill it as. That won't stop me from billing it as an epic failure though... I took a lot of shit from PSX owners for years back when I had an N64, and karma's a bitch.


Damn, I knew that RE5 was for 360... but DMC4 is? I can't believe Capcom would ever put that series on another system, I figured it would always be Sony-exclusive. When did they announce that? And I know what you mean by the whole taking shit from PSX owners thing, that really got annoying.
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PostPosted: May 06 2007 09:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I mever gave N64 people crap when I was a kid! I envied them and there fun multiplayer games like 007, etc. I constantly borrowed my cousins. It didn't seem to have as good RPG's or fighting games, but it had the best adventure games and stuff like that. 4 player was so awesome. The only game I didn't get into as much though that everyone loved was the Zelda's, but I've never been a huge zelda fan. They were good though. I still haven't got past the water dungeon.


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PostPosted: May 06 2007 11:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Here's the announcement on DMC4. It'll also be on the PC: http://ir.capcom.co.jp/english/news/html/e070320.html
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PostPosted: May 07 2007 12:25 am Reply with quote Back to top

Damn, the PC too? I guess Capcom just wants to make more money, but that still kind of pisses me off.
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PostPosted: May 07 2007 01:32 am Reply with quote Back to top

Why does that piss you off? Capcom has to hedge its bets since there is no one next gen system with a large enough installed user base to make an exclusive, especially one so expensive to produce, profitable. Why should companies make games exclusive anyway if they can produce them for multiple platforms and reach a larger audience? Being upset about loss of "exclusive" content for this system or that is fanboyism at it's most annoying.
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PostPosted: May 07 2007 04:43 am Reply with quote Back to top

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Why should companies make games exclusive anyway if they can produce them for multiple platforms and reach a larger audience?

You know, I ask myself that after every Rockstar title that doesn't get a PC release... Of course, Coffee Break didn't help them any... Embarrassed

Fun Fact: According to Wikipedia (the most reliable news source in the universe), San Andreas was the last PC port Rockstar ever did.


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Wasn't San Andreas also the most controversial game Rockstar ever made?


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Jonny wrote:
Damn, I knew that RE5 was for 360... but DMC4 is? I can't believe Capcom would ever put that series on another system, I figured it would always be Sony-exclusive.

I am very, very surprised you would think that. Viewtiful Joe was supposed to be a Gamecube exclusive series, but then it won game of the year (depsite only being on the Gamecube) so Capcom basically had to release it on the other two consoles to make money. I don't see why they wouldn't continue to do things like that. You know...things that make them money.


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Dr. Jeebus wrote:
I am very, very surprised you would think that. Viewtiful Joe was supposed to be a Gamecube exclusive series, but then it won game of the year (depsite only being on the Gamecube) so Capcom basically had to release it on the other two consoles to make money. I don't see why they wouldn't continue to do things like that. You know...things that make them money.

Viewtiful Joe was never on XBox. Also, your statemet that they *had* to release to it on other consoles to make money because it won Game of the Year doesn't make sense. Maybe you didn't mean to write it the way you did, but it's an awkward statement. Capcom CHOSE to release VJ on the PS2, because they knew they could make extra money that way, but the game easily turned a profit without the PS2 release. VJ was NOT a high budget game and the development costs were pretty low.

And if you want to talk about games that were supposed to be exclusive, how about Resident Evil 4? When Nintendo inked a deal with Capcom to make the main Resident Evil series exclusive to the Gamecube, Sony fans smirked. Resident Evil was played out, they said. Who cares, they said, it's not as good as Silent Hill anyway. When Resident Evil Zero came out, they yawned and said so what, it's the same damn game as the other 4. Then Resident Evil 4 came out and it was the best thing ever. Capcom, having finally renewed interest in the series, ended their agreement with Nintendo and release RE4 on the PS2 to drum up some extra money.
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PostPosted: May 07 2007 04:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

lol, I have noticed something similair, since DMC4 is on 360 now, I've heard a lot of Sony people say who cares, DMC is sucky now. Kind of backwards from back then. I do remember them saying who cares about RE while Gamecubers had a blast with it, like me.


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