lordsathien wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grappling_hold just look here.

Why do I feel like I am the only sane one?

A hat goes on your head, a sweatband goes around your head, and a headlock goes around your neck. If it went around the head, it would fall off like a sweatband or a hat, it would not cause pressure on the windpipe or arteries.

Ice2SeeYou wrote:

Even though it's just two guys goofing around on the beach, this is a pretty good example of what I was talking about when I mentioned trapping an arm alongside the head when you throw a headlock: I fail at embedding, so here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9aFNdWbvmA

I'd agree that was a headlock take down, but that his arm was wrapped around the back of the guy's neck. Additionally as a side headlock, I'm not sure why the defender gave so much latitude. I have to imagine that sand must have been tough to stand strong in.

UsaSatsui wrote:

Klimbatize wrote: Anyone who's wrestled or grappled would agree, and definitions from every dictionary online agree with you. Is that right? Quote: Certain people would no doubt continue arguing the point if they felt they were correct, but I think it's dawned on them that they've been wrong so they've disappeared. No. Certain people felt the argument was so fucking stupid they decided it wasn't worth participating in anymore (and yet, here I am again. Go fig).

The argument may be fucking stupid, but it is only because the actual definition is wrong.

A headlock locks a person's head by controlling the heads direction in relationship to the body and the opponent, however, the arm placement is around the neck.

Since my position, the correct one, is clearly not accepted by others, I ask, what would you consider proof? Is it a martial arts master who would prove it? Is it an army soldier? Is it a professional wrestler? Who do you need to hear it from in order to believe that in a headlock the arm goes around the neck and not the head.

I don't know what a Spinner is.

As far as a guillotine headlock goes, I consider that to be a neck breaking attack. If you try to just hold it, it will be broken easily because you have to give up both hands and the defender has open striking. Use it and quickly if at all.

King wrote:

Ah but from the guillotine, if you lock it in, you still can use your knees, and if you set the angle right even if there is an escape you can lock them up in the clinch, and throw knees, short elbows, or if you really had to a takedown and side control into a kimura, ok I am waaay over thinking this

I'm not going to say its impossible, however, I consider a long term Guillotine a gift. You know where the person's arms are, you can hold breathing room with a single hand, and you can strike the crap out of them. Of course, in a standard BJJ match, that wouldn't be legal, so the move offers a lot more of a lead into submissions or position gains. Life or death though, or playground fight, yeah I'd be ok with someone using a guillotine on me.