Back in '86-87, a year prior to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles becoming popular on TV, I was learning Karate in my school gym. As most kids do, I lost interest and moved on to other things. In 2002-2003 as a young adult with zero interest in TMNT I studied Kun Tao. For the last year plus I have been studying Jujutsu and Chinese Kempo and still have virtually no interest in mimicking the Ninja Turtles.

In fact, the more I learn martial arts, the less desire I have to ever need to use it in a real scenario. I find myself calmer and happier when I am training. When I am lethargic or working too much I find my mood pushes further towards anger and hostility.

I think this judge is wrong, the real criminal is a lack of recess in schools and too many work hours in the standard week.

Also, I have only head locked two police officers in my life, and neither time was I under the influence of TMNT.

A ninja might use a rear naked choke in the rare case that they required information from their adversary and preferred not to kill them on the spot. I'd argue that is a headlock.

UsaSatsui wrote:

GPFontaine wrote: A ninja might use a rear naked choke in the rare case that they required information from their adversary and preferred not to kill them on the spot. I'd argue that is a headlock. You mean like this? I'd argue that is a choke hold. Not a headlock. A headlock goes around the head, not the neck.

No, not like that, that is a rear choke.

A rear naked choke:


Ice does have a point, a ninja would probably use a chemical to sedate, however I'm still going to say that a rear naked choke is very much a martial arts move that I would expect a ninja to know.

Oh, and the wrestling type would call a rear naked choke a "sleeper hold".

UsaSatsui wrote:

...you know, I could repeat that it is not a "headlock" but a "choke hold", but even more frustration lies down that path.

What headlock is not a chokehold then? Any time the person's neck is between another person's forearm and bicep, wouldn't that be a headlock?

Bob Dylan`s Blues wrote:

A ninja was an assassin. He didn't use choke holds or sedate any one. He would just kill or use blinding weapons to make a fast getaway. Wait, what the hell are we talking about? This is stupid.

You just removed the TMNT as being able to have the title of Ninja even though it is in their title.

UsaSatsui wrote:

GPFontaine wrote: UsaSatsui wrote: ...you know, I could repeat that it is not a "headlock" but a "choke hold", but even more frustration lies down that path. What headlock is not a chokehold then? Any time the person's neck is between another person's forearm and bicep, wouldn't that be a headlock? No. A headlock is when you lock your arm around another person's head. Not their neck.

That is just flat out not true. If your arm is around the person's head, you are doing it wrong.

UsaSatsui wrote:

Quote: Bob Dylan`s Blues wrote: A ninja was an assassin. He didn't use choke holds or sedate any one. He would just kill or use blinding weapons to make a fast getaway. Wait, what the hell are we talking about? This is stupid. You just removed the TMNT as being able to have the title of Ninja even though it is in their title. You know, I just remembered something. Over in Europe, they're not the Ninja Turtles. They're the Hero Turtles.

Really? Is that the full title or are they "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles". Either way, it is kinda sad that they aren't ninjas...

joshwoodzy wrote:

"Oh hey, what's going on in this thread?" "One of the nerdiest arguments ever, leave." "Okee dokee."

Don't act like you don't love it.

I'm still not sure how a headlock can be a arm wrapped around a person's head. The position would not allow for a lock since the head could slip through. A headlock is around the neck and locks the head into position. Ice is most certainly correct though that most headlocks aren't submissions worthy of use against trained competitors. Side, front, and rear headlocks from a standing position are easy to get out of. On the ground, they are more uncomfortable, but still not great. The rear naked choke however is one that is exponentially more likely to submit the opponent.