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Five-year-old Murderer?


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The Flaming Schnitzel
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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 05:54 pm Reply with quote Back to top

http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20110610000552

This happened in my area. Apparently a 5-year-old girl was being babysat with some other kids by a teenager. There was an 18-month-old boy there as well who died. They thought it was accidental until the 5-year-old girl told the police that she held the baby boy under water to make him stop crying.

Idk. What do you think they should do? They're now asking how young is too young to be a murderer.


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Alowishus
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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 06:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Murder is murder but you can't throw a kid in jail for that.
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The Flaming Schnitzel
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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 06:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I mean, do you really think she meant to murder him? All the reports I've read have said that she told authorities that she drowned him to make him stop crying, but do you think she understood what she was doing?


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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 06:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The Flaming Schnitzel wrote:
I mean, do you really think she meant to murder him? All the reports I've read have said that she told authorities that she drowned him to make him stop crying, but do you think she understood what she was doing?




Seriously though. I doubt there was any other motivation apart from to stop them crying....or maybe...

It could be sibling jealously, a newlyish born child i imagine would get more attention.

I dunno there isn't a lot of details, it's not even clear if they were related i may just be reading into it too much.

I reread the article there and it looks like they weren't really. I doubt that a child of 5 would intentionally kill another child, especially if the kids didn't know eachother that well.

It's just childrens logic, like it says in the article.

"I know how to make the child shut up, i will make it shut up forever".

The motivation isn't the problem, it's more how they are going to deal with it.

It's a 5 year old kid here. I doubt that they would lie or make something up. Hell the kid already admitted killing the other one.
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The Flaming Schnitzel
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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 06:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well, it says they were only distantly related.


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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 06:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

A five year old doesn't have the capacity for premeditated murder--not in the way an adult does. I would hesitate to even call this "murder."

Now granted, there are plenty of five year olds who DON'T do this. But still. FIVE.


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The Flaming Schnitzel
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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 06:33 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I just feel bad for this chick. For the rest of her life, she's going to know she killed someone. Even if she didn't really understand now, it's still going to suck like ten years from now.


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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 06:36 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Eh, I'm fine with sending a 5 year old to prison.


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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 07:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well if she was an under 18 teenager, the parents should go to fucking prison. If the teenager was 18, she should go to fucking prison too.


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The Flaming Schnitzel
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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 07:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

joshwoodzy wrote:
Well if she was an under 18 teenager, the parents should go to fucking prison. If the teenager was 18, she should go to fucking prison too.


The five-year-old's parent had stepped out to go pick up the baby's dad. The teen was watching them while the parent was gone.


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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 07:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

A 5 year old does not have the mental capacity to commit a murder. Though she probably should have known better.

The teenager watching them, though, should absolutely be held responsible.
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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 07:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Especially because the baby was crying. It's not really something you can ignore, or fail to realize it's happening, unless you're completely deaf.
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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 07:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The teenager who was watching them did a pretty shitty job and should be held responsible.

But the five year old knew what she was doing. All children are psychopaths - complete and unashamed fucking psychopaths - until society (parents, teachers, religious leader) figuratively and physically beat some sense into them. The lack of physical beatings in modern society are directly responsible for the increased number of children never growing out of their psychopath phase. So now we have Snookis and Paris Hiltons and Lindsay Lohans and Spencer Pratts.

Children understand the difference between right and wrong... they just don't care. Until we make them care.
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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 08:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

so, put the fear of god into them?


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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 08:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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so, put the fear of god into them?

Isn't that pretty much word for word what one forumer said he (or was it his friend) does with his kids?

Apparently at age 3, I almost killed my newborn sister out of jealousy by smothering her vasoline.


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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 09:59 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
The teenager who was watching them did a pretty shitty job and should be held responsible.

But the five year old knew what she was doing. All children are psychopaths - complete and unashamed fucking psychopaths - until society (parents, teachers, religious leader) figuratively and physically beat some sense into them. The lack of physical beatings in modern society are directly responsible for the increased number of children never growing out of their psychopath phase. So now we have Snookis and Paris Hiltons and Lindsay Lohans and Spencer Pratts.

Children understand the difference between right and wrong... they just don't care. Until we make them care.
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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 10:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It's just sad situation all around, and I have absolutely nothing else to say about it.
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The Flaming Schnitzel
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PostPosted: Jun 12 2011 10:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I feel like this isn't even the worst story from my area tho. Which is even more sad....


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PostPosted: Jun 13 2011 02:40 am Reply with quote Back to top

That's really effed up. I think the parents should go in jail for murder (maybe not that severe), but something must be incorrect in how they're raising that kid, if A.) that sitaution arose in the first place, and no competent parent was around, and B.) How does a 5 year not have some basic sense to not treat people like that. It's going to happen from time to time, I just don't understand why the 5 year old wouldn't go to thehir parent and say so and so won't stop crying. I feel the action was unnatural and speaks of bad parenting. Someone should be held accountable for negligence, and improper environment for raising children.
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PostPosted: Jun 13 2011 03:28 am Reply with quote Back to top

From about the time I was 10 I started babysitting my brother (who was two years younger than me). Dad was a factory worker who had all kinds of weird shifts and Mom was a 9 to 5 office worker. In our modern world, it can be extremely difficult for both parents to be around all the time, and having a teenager watch the kids is in no way irresponsible. I don't blame them. The teenager though...that was pretty negligent.
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The Flaming Schnitzel
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PostPosted: Jun 13 2011 03:33 am Reply with quote Back to top

Fighter_McWarrior wrote:
From about the time I was 10 I started babysitting my brother (who was two years younger than me). Dad was a factory worker who had all kinds of weird shifts and Mom was a 9 to 5 office worker. In our modern world, it can be extremely difficult for both parents to be around all the time, and having a teenager watch the kids is in no way irresponsible. I don't blame them. The teenager though...that was pretty negligent.


This is how I feel as well.


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PostPosted: Jun 13 2011 09:00 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
The teenager who was watching them did a pretty shitty job and should be held responsible.

But the five year old knew what she was doing. All children are psychopaths - complete and unashamed fucking psychopaths - until society (parents, teachers, religious leader) figuratively and physically beat some sense into them. The lack of physical beatings in modern society are directly responsible for the increased number of children never growing out of their psychopath phase. So now we have Snookis and Paris Hiltons and Lindsay Lohans and Spencer Pratts.

Children understand the difference between right and wrong... they just don't care. Until we make them care.

Syd. That's seriously amazing. You hit the nail square on the head.

When I was a kid, I remember getting my ass spanked with a paddle when I fucked up and I also remember my Dad literally putting the "Fear of God" into me. Do I think now he would have actually beaten me to death? No. But as a Kid, if I fucked up bad enough, I would have thought he would have.

Me and my Dad have a great relationship, we talk a couple of times a week, and I see the family about once a month or so.

I don't think a Dad should be a friend. He should be a disciplinary. Doesn't mean him and his kid can't have fun and love and whatever. But that kid should damn well know that ass can get tore up. Once the kid gets older he can be a friend.
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PostPosted: Jun 13 2011 11:53 am Reply with quote Back to top

Whoop. Double Post Yikes!


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PostPosted: Jun 13 2011 11:54 am Reply with quote Back to top

I got spanked on the butt plenty of times but I don't think believing your dad would beat you to death is a good thing.

I know plenty of kids who were beat senseless, smacked in the face, beat with a belt and they aren't better people for it. They are violent alcoholics who beat their children with belts too.

This isn't saying anybody who was hit as a kid is gonna turn out to be a dick, but it's definitely saying that beating your kids doesn't always fucking work.


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PostPosted: Jun 13 2011 11:57 am Reply with quote Back to top

i say drown the 5 year old next time she cries

on a serious note i think a 5 year old should have the mental capacity to not be drowning babies... it's only a sign of worse things to come if you ask me
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