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Georgia, the second coming of Arizona


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Lady_Satine
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PostPosted: May 13 2011 04:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Gov. Nathan Deal on Friday signed one of the nation’s toughest immigration enforcement measures into law amid threats of court challenges and economic boycotts targeting Georgia.

Partly patterned after a stringent law Arizona enacted last year, Georgia’s House Bill 87 empowers police to investigate the immigration status of certain suspects. The measure also sets new hiring requirements for employers and penalizes people who transport or harbor illegal immigrants here.

Deal, who campaigned for governor last year on bringing an Arizona-style law to Georgia, called his signature on HB 87 an historic moment.

"While I believe immigration is an issue that... should be addressed at the federal level," he told reporters, "this legislation I believe is a responsible step forward in the absence of federal action."

Deal and other supporters of HB 87 have hailed it as a victory for taxpayers who have borne the cost of illegal immigration in Georgia. A recent estimate by the Pew Hispanic Center puts the number of illegal immigrants in Georgia at 425,000, the seventh-highest among the states. Those illegal immigrants, supporters of HB 87 say, are taking jobs from state residents and burdening Georgia’s public schools, hospitals and jails.

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“We can't have 50 different immigration laws around the country,” the president said. “Arizona tried this, and a federal court already struck them down."


When provisions of Georgia's House Bill 87 will take effect:

July 1
Local and state police will be empowered to arrest illegal immigrants and take them to state and federal jails.

People who use fake identification to get a job in Georgia could face up to 15 years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines.

People who -- while committing another crime -- knowingly transport or harbor illegal immigrants or encourage them to come to Georgia could face penalties. First-time offenders would face imprisonment for up to 12 months and up to $1,000 in fines.

A seven-member Immigration Enforcement Review Board will be established to investigate complaints about local and state government officials not enforcing state immigration-related laws.

Government officials who violate state laws requiring cities, counties and state government agencies to use E-Verify could face fines of up to $10,000 and removal from office.

The state Agriculture Department will be directed to study the possibility of creating Georgia's own guest-worker program. Some Georgia employers have complained the federal government's guest-worker program is too burdensome and expensive.

Jan. 1

State and local government agencies must start requiring people applying for public benefits -- such as food stamps, housing assistance and business licenses -- to provide at least one “secure and verifiable” document, which could be a state or federally issued form of identification. Consular matriculation cards will not be accepted. The state attorney general’s office is required to post a list of acceptable documents on its website by Aug. 1.

Phased in:

Georgia businesses will be required to use the federal E-Verify program to determine whether their new hires are eligible to work legally in the United States. Businesses with 500 or more employees must start complying with this provision on Jan. 1. Businesses with 100 or more employees but fewer than 500 must start complying with this provision on July 1, 2012. This requirement applies to businesses with between 11 and 99 employees starting July 1, 2013. Businesses with 10 or fewer employees are exempt.

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I have no idea how long this will stick or how bad it's going to get in here, but I can totally see the same worries that a place like Arizona has in my non-connected-to-Mexico state.


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PostPosted: May 13 2011 06:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Being in the "-like" state, all I can say is this: it's a problem that someone's going to have to do something about and soon. Personally, I think that a lot of the illegals in the US really get the short fucking shrift, but their illegal status also enables them to abuse our system here.

I'm all for immediate amnesty/naturalization myself, but only if they made it contingent upon two things (and this isn't about any race or anything; I mean anyone who wants to live in the United States and is here when they shouldn't be): you have to learn to speak/write American English competently, and you have to wait at least a couple of years before you're eligible for Social Security and Medicare (unless they could come up with a more tiered and streamlined system based on the meritocratic notion that you get what you paid into it, which, let's face it, will never, ever happen).

You don't want to become a legal citizen after that and you're found to be here illegally? Deported. Should've gotten a work visa or any other visa for that matter, asshole. The company employing you didn't verify your citizenship, or didn't give a shit? Fined a very steep, putative amount (tens of thousands, at the very least) and at the risk of having whatever license or whatever you need to operate revoked permanently.


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PostPosted: May 13 2011 07:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

learn to speak/write american english competently? w/our school system? good luck. especially since AZ is ranked 49th in terms of public education.

EDIT: see? that sentence is totally incoherent.

and hmmmm: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-20/local/29470037_1_sales-taxes-tax-revenue-property-taxes


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PostPosted: May 14 2011 04:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Here is how you stop illegal immigrants: Start a database. Put present citizens into said database. Add additional citizens as they are born or get citizenship. When applying for work or any kind of aid, present ID. Check ID against the database. No hit, no citizenship...deported.


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PostPosted: May 14 2011 04:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Obama wrote:
“We can't have 50 different immigration laws around the country,” the president said. “Arizona tried this, and a federal court already struck them down."

I'd rather have fifty different immigration laws than one that isn't enforced.


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PostPosted: May 14 2011 05:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I... Honestly dunno what to say. Specially after seeing the average person's reaction to it at several sites.

The one thing I do know for certain is that now police officers have the right to be profiling pricks, regardless of legal status.

And don't give me the "Oh, but they'll use this right responsibly!" BS. The family and I had our share of racial profiling before in the 10 years we've lived here. Ex: A couple of months ago my older brother got stopped at North Carolina for driving an expensive car he legally owns, and for carrying a "suspiciously looking Mexican" in said car. Said "Mexican" was actually a legally born American who happens to own a business here, legally.

And yes, "millions of jobs will now be available to the legal Americans now!" indeed. Because Americans crave working as janitors, landscapers and farm pickers.

Yes, Illegal Immigration is a bad thing, but really, look at the bigger picture before opening your mouth.
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PostPosted: May 14 2011 05:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

AtmanRyu wrote:
I... Honestly dunno what to say. Specially after seeing the average person's reaction to it at several sites.

The one thing I do know for certain is that now police officers have the right to be profiling pricks, regardless of legal status.

And don't give me the "Oh, but they'll use this right responsibly!" BS. The family and I had our share of racial profiling before in the 10 years we've lived here. Ex: A couple of months ago my older brother got stopped at North Carolina for driving an expensive car he legally owns, and for carrying a "suspiciously looking Mexican" in said car. Said "Mexican" was actually a legally born American who happens to own a business here, legally.

And yes, "millions of jobs will now be available to the legal Americans now!" indeed. Because Americans crave working as janitors, landscapers and farm pickers.

Yes, Illegal Immigration is a bad thing, but really, look at the bigger picture before opening your mouth.

i agree.


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PostPosted: May 14 2011 06:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Douche McCallister wrote:
Here is how you stop illegal immigrants: Start a database. Put present citizens into said database. Add additional citizens as they are born or get citizenship. When applying for work or any kind of aid, present ID. Check ID against the database. No hit, no citizenship...deported.

We have one of those for fishing and hunting licenses in my state, minus the whole deported part, it is not as idiot proof as you're making it sound.... Stuff like typos and outright dishonesty make it pretty easy to slip and checks that are supposed to stop you. What if the doofus working at the DMV keys your name in wrong on your license and the so called database has it a different way? No match bam deported? To avoid clerical errors like this there would have to be a lengthy oversight system in place and a way to appeal, which will bog it all down. So either it's potentially flawed or bloated and sluggish, how do you want it?



 
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PostPosted: May 14 2011 11:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Blackout wrote:
Douche McCallister wrote:
Here is how you stop illegal immigrants: Start a database. Put present citizens into said database. Add additional citizens as they are born or get citizenship. When applying for work or any kind of aid, present ID. Check ID against the database. No hit, no citizenship...deported.

We have one of those for fishing and hunting licenses in my state, minus the whole deported part, it is not as idiot proof as you're making it sound.... Stuff like typos and outright dishonesty make it pretty easy to slip and checks that are supposed to stop you. What if the doofus working at the DMV keys your name in wrong on your license and the so called database has it a different way? No match bam deported? To avoid clerical errors like this there would have to be a lengthy oversight system in place and a way to appeal, which will bog it all down. So either it's potentially flawed or bloated and sluggish, how do you want it?


It's also not as difficult as it appears. You don't have every Tom Dick and Sally entering stuff into this database. Then you provide error checking such as a "Please retype the Name" and you avoid that error, plus you could easily link it to a DMV database and then you all the information linked. Also its pretty hard to be dishonest. Either you have a Social Security Number and Birth Certificate or you don't.


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PostPosted: May 16 2011 05:07 am Reply with quote Back to top

AtmanRyu wrote:
I... Honestly dunno what to say. Specially after seeing the average person's reaction to it at several sites.

The one thing I do know for certain is that now police officers have the right to be profiling pricks, regardless of legal status.

And don't give me the "Oh, but they'll use this right responsibly!" BS. The family and I had our share of racial profiling before in the 10 years we've lived here. Ex: A couple of months ago my older brother got stopped at North Carolina for driving an expensive car he legally owns, and for carrying a "suspiciously looking Mexican" in said car. Said "Mexican" was actually a legally born American who happens to own a business here, legally.

And yes, "millions of jobs will now be available to the legal Americans now!" indeed. Because Americans crave working as janitors, landscapers and farm pickers.

Yes, Illegal Immigration is a bad thing, but really, look at the bigger picture before opening your mouth.


whoah, hold up there. i don't have a job; and i know tons of people that are in the same boat. i would work as any one of those three things


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PostPosted: May 16 2011 12:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Kojjiro! wrote:
AtmanRyu wrote:
I... Honestly dunno what to say. Specially after seeing the average person's reaction to it at several sites.

The one thing I do know for certain is that now police officers have the right to be profiling pricks, regardless of legal status.

And don't give me the "Oh, but they'll use this right responsibly!" BS. The family and I had our share of racial profiling before in the 10 years we've lived here. Ex: A couple of months ago my older brother got stopped at North Carolina for driving an expensive car he legally owns, and for carrying a "suspiciously looking Mexican" in said car. Said "Mexican" was actually a legally born American who happens to own a business here, legally.

And yes, "millions of jobs will now be available to the legal Americans now!" indeed. Because Americans crave working as janitors, landscapers and farm pickers.

Yes, Illegal Immigration is a bad thing, but really, look at the bigger picture before opening your mouth.


whoah, hold up there. i don't have a job; and i know tons of people that are in the same boat. i would work as any one of those three things


Lol, no American could last a week as a farm picker.


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PostPosted: May 16 2011 03:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ash Burton wrote:
Kojjiro! wrote:
AtmanRyu wrote:
I... Honestly dunno what to say. Specially after seeing the average person's reaction to it at several sites.

The one thing I do know for certain is that now police officers have the right to be profiling pricks, regardless of legal status.

And don't give me the "Oh, but they'll use this right responsibly!" BS. The family and I had our share of racial profiling before in the 10 years we've lived here. Ex: A couple of months ago my older brother got stopped at North Carolina for driving an expensive car he legally owns, and for carrying a "suspiciously looking Mexican" in said car. Said "Mexican" was actually a legally born American who happens to own a business here, legally.

And yes, "millions of jobs will now be available to the legal Americans now!" indeed. Because Americans crave working as janitors, landscapers and farm pickers.

Yes, Illegal Immigration is a bad thing, but really, look at the bigger picture before opening your mouth.

whoah, hold up there. i don't have a job; and i know tons of people that are in the same boat. i would work as any one of those three things

Lol, no American could last a week as a farm picker.

lol


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PostPosted: May 17 2011 11:41 am Reply with quote Back to top

Douche McCallister wrote:
Blackout wrote:
Douche McCallister wrote:
Here is how you stop illegal immigrants: Start a database. Put present citizens into said database. Add additional citizens as they are born or get citizenship. When applying for work or any kind of aid, present ID. Check ID against the database. No hit, no citizenship...deported.

We have one of those for fishing and hunting licenses in my state, minus the whole deported part, it is not as idiot proof as you're making it sound.... Stuff like typos and outright dishonesty make it pretty easy to slip and checks that are supposed to stop you. What if the doofus working at the DMV keys your name in wrong on your license and the so called database has it a different way? No match bam deported? To avoid clerical errors like this there would have to be a lengthy oversight system in place and a way to appeal, which will bog it all down. So either it's potentially flawed or bloated and sluggish, how do you want it?


It's also not as difficult as it appears. You don't have every Tom Dick and Sally entering stuff into this database. Then you provide error checking such as a "Please retype the Name" and you avoid that error, plus you could easily link it to a DMV database and then you all the information linked. Also its pretty hard to be dishonest. Either you have a Social Security Number and Birth Certificate or you don't.

I actually like this idea.
Also I know that things like drivers licenses have things like magnetic strips or bar codes, and a simple scanner or reader respectively could easily solve the issue of a mistyped name.
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PostPosted: May 17 2011 09:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Not if the goofball doing the data entry MISTYPES it, that's what I'm getting at.



 
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