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Alowishus
Joined: Aug 04 2009
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You know i can't refute anything Etch has said. It's totally true.
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| The ONLY 'green' energies worth exploiting are solar and hydroelectric. And it is probably 50 years before solar is worth the cost involved |
I refute this though! Hydroelectric is an extremely controversial way of collecting energy and papers have shown that it's pretty much a failure, even in the US. More to do with the actual water side of it than the generation of electricity. Large dams are not sustainable, silt up easily and exploit the usage of water upstream.
This is particularly the case in developing countries were rich landowners construct dams hog all the water while the people who live in the towns and villages by the waterside die of dehyradation or are forced to use contaminated water. There's lots of implications for it.
Solar is just like wind, it only works when there's sun. Note that you say it's the only worth while. Maybe in Texas it is but in Ireland were i live the idea of solar power is laughable, that is laughable on a scale of powering cities. Areas like Iceland as well or polar regions were it's dark 24/7 for half the year isn't going to be able to use solar - that's a given though.
Fusion is one of the better ways of generating energy - even though it's not renewable and since it doesn't work on a large scale it's not viable yet.
The other one which is actually viable and no one everrrrrrrrrrrrrrr talks about is geothermal. The earth is a sphere, we live on land ergo we can drill down into the earth were heat from the mantle can convert water into steam which can generate electricity. It's very expensive though but can you see any disadvantages of it apart from cost?
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| Geothermal power requires no fuel (except for pumps), and is therefore immune to fuel cost fluctuations, but capital costs are significant. Drilling accounts for over half the costs, and exploration of deep resources entails significant risks. A typical well doublet (extraction and injection wells) in Nevada can support 4.5 megawatts (MW) and costs about $10 million to drill, with a 20% failure rate.[18] |
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| Fluids drawn from the deep earth carry a mixture of gases, notably carbon dioxide (CO2), hydrogen sulfide (H2S), methane (CH4) and ammonia (NH3). These pollutants contribute to global warming, acid rain, and noxious smells if released. |
Could be problematic... IF it gets out and at least it's not as problematic as say radioactive material leaking from Japans nuclear reactors.
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aeonic
Title: Sporadic Poster
Joined: Nov 19 2009
Location: Kissimmee, FL
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oh god. i almost forgot about that news story Blackout.
and in terms of solar energy, those solar panels are very delicate. any kind of precipitation fucks them up and they are expensive to replace. granted, AZ is probably the last place we should worry about rain, but not too long ago we had a crazy hail storm that caused tons of damage to vehicles & roofs and what not. so, i can imagine how much damage they would cause to those solar panels |
I remember that storm a whole lot. Took me an hour to make the usual fifteen minute drive from Chandler to Gilbert. Still, even then, put a thick plexiglass cover over it, and shazam. That's about as much precipitation that you'll get, especially out in the foothills and such.
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Vovad
Joined: Apr 25 2011
Location: Orem, UT
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geothermal power is no different than hydroelectric power, in both cases water (or steam) is used to drive a turbine with little to no byproducts. Just with geothermal they are using underground water sources so nobody cares
obviously building a dam and cutting off the water supply and dehydrating a bunch of africans is a bad game plan, but aside from greedy dickheads killing africans hydroelectric power is great. There will be greedy dickheads killing people in every avenue of energy production so this argument has no validity in my opinion
Wind power (and other alternative sources) will only get better, so you may be pissed off that you have a windfarm in your backyard but the fact of the matter is there is energy there, and it is only a matter of time before we figure out how to use it to maximum effect.
I think nuclear power is great too, but there is a lot more liability involved there than these other sources. I'd rather deal with wind turbines making a bunch of noise (and causing my eyes SO much pain) than one day getting chernobyl'd to death or being in japan's state right now
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LeshLush
Joined: Oct 19 2009
Location: Nashville, TN
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You those toy birds with the top hats that bend down and peck the water, then come back up, ad infinitum? I think we should build giant ones. Vast fields of them. Energy crisis solved.
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aeonic
Title: Sporadic Poster
Joined: Nov 19 2009
Location: Kissimmee, FL
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| You those toy birds with the top hats that bend down and peck the water, then come back up, ad infinitum? I think we should build giant ones. Vast fields of them. Energy crisis solved. |
Technically you could use those to generate energy, provided you had a mechanism like a bike-powered generator uses. It would be awesome to see thousands of them bobbing synchronously too.
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GPFontaine
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sidewaydriver
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If people can't agree on this issue, then I think a compromise is in order. Since nobody seems to want the windfarms outside making noise, I say we put them indoors. But since there would be no wind to power them, we use coal energy to make them spin. It's like the best of both worlds.
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
Joined: Jul 06 2007
Location: phoenix, az usa
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they still havent made giant hamsters to run on giant hamster wheels?
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Douche McCallister
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They did but they are now called bears and are near impossible to control.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
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| They did but they are now called bears and are near impossible to control. |
Wasn't there a South Park episode about this?
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Drew Linky
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I don't know enough about the mechanics behind these forms of alternative energy to think that I know which is most cost effective. I'm going to wait until I know more about them or possibly build a career in that field to pass judgement.
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
Joined: Jul 06 2007
Location: phoenix, az usa
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| They did but they are now called bears and are near impossible to control. |
Wasn't there a South Park episode about this? |
not sure. but new episodes starting tomorrow
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| I'll eat a turkey sandwich while blowing my load |
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