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I want to report a crime, but worried about blackmail


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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
Joined: Sep 01 2007
Location: That Rainy State
PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 04:06 am Reply with quote Back to top

username wrote:
they are slot machines. you put the coins in. you either win or lose.

What kind of back room operation is that? Rolling Eyes



 
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
Joined: Jul 06 2007
Location: phoenix, az usa
PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 04:09 am Reply with quote Back to top

thats what lordsathien wrote: cash-winnings slot machine parlor. so, im guessing thats what it is. if i misunderstood, then my bad.

unless you were talking about a different type of back room operation 'wink wink' lol


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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
Joined: Sep 01 2007
Location: That Rainy State
PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 04:46 am Reply with quote Back to top

Wait what? Confused



 
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Pandajuice
Title: The Power of Grayskull
Joined: Oct 30 2008
Location: US and UK
PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 06:44 am Reply with quote Back to top

Valdronius wrote:
I am appalled that no one here believes in doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing. Sathien must have a vendetta to report a crime?


I firmly believe in the tenant that "no good deed goes unpunished" and I think in this case, it's not worth the potential aggravation to Sathien that could arise from reporting the crime. Personally, I wouldn't do anything and just move on with my life because the risks far outweigh any potential rewards or good feelings that you stopped an illegal slot machine racket.

Besides, the guy will most likely get caught eventually when someone else squeals and as others have said, as long as people aren't getting hurt or killed, it's not that big of a deal.

If you must do something Sathien, my advice is the same. Talk to a lawyer to see what your options are but don't give specifics, and also I would wait 6 months or so so all memory of you working there is erased. It'll be less likely the manager will connect your quitting with the sudden heat from the cops the longer you wait.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 10:32 am Reply with quote Back to top

Blackout wrote:
Yeah but if they don't pay up someone named Hacksaw is gonna break their kneecaps.

Hacksaw doesn't use a hacksaw... how ironic.

Pandajuice wrote:
Valdronius wrote:
I am appalled that no one here believes in doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing. Sathien must have a vendetta to report a crime?


I firmly believe in the tenant that "no good deed goes unpunished" and I think in this case, it's not worth the potential aggravation to Sathien that could arise from reporting the crime. Personally, I wouldn't do anything and just move on with my life because the risks far outweigh any potential rewards or good feelings that you stopped an illegal slot machine racket.

Besides, the guy will most likely get caught eventually when someone else squeals and as others have said, as long as people aren't getting hurt or killed, it's not that big of a deal.

If you must do something Sathien, my advice is the same. Talk to a lawyer to see what your options are but don't give specifics, and also I would wait 6 months or so so all memory of you working there is erased. It'll be less likely the manager will connect your quitting with the sudden heat from the cops the longer you wait.

Attorney-client privilege protects Sathien if he wishes to discuss this with a lawyer. He can give all details.

Let me very clear though, talk to a defense lawyer. Do not go to a prosecutor and ask these questions... Duh.


If the fear about disclosing the details of the crime to the authorities is purely a moral issue and there is no fear of retaliation, then speaking with a religious figure head in confidence would be the best option to set your soul at ease.

That doesn't sound like what the original post was though. It sounds like there is fear of retaliation and being listed amongst criminals as a snitch. If this is the case, then that fear is exactly why the crime should be reported. This is exactly why the activities are illegal and should be brought to light. Sathien is most likely not alone with his concern and the truth is, no one should have to feel the way that he does.

I would assume that a lawyer might be able to direct you to anonymously tip the authorities into the activities. This might allow you to avoid being a witness and simply point them towards a method of catching the criminals red-handed.



 
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phantasmzombie
Joined: May 22 2009
Location: Cincinnati, OH
PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 12:29 pm Reply with quote Back to top

If getting into trouble for selling single smokes is the only thing keeping you from ratting out the gas station, you should go ahead and do it. Cops have better things to do than to cite people for selling single cigarettes, and even if there was a chance you could get into trouble, the fact that your giving them information about the illegal video poker/slot machines (which is much more serious), would save you from getting into trouble for something petty. I'm sure a lawyer would tell you the same thing.

Just don't grant yourself the illusion that your doing this in the name of some kind of moral righteousness, be honest to yourself about it.

You should also try to find out if there is a way you can get some kind of cash reward for turning them in, kinda like how one could get a cash reward for turning in people hiding jews in Nazi Germany.
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BlazingGlory
Title: KANE LIVES IN DEATH!
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PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 01:44 pm Reply with quote Back to top

phantasmzombie wrote:
You should also try to find out if there is a way you can get some kind of cash reward for turning them in, kinda like how one could get a cash reward for turning in people hiding jews in Nazi Germany.

That is by far the worst comparison I have ever heard before. We get that you don't like snitches, but saying that telling the cops about illegal gambling is even remotely similar to sending a person to a possible death sentence is just stupid.
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phantasmzombie
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PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 01:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

BlazingGlory wrote:
phantasmzombie wrote:
You should also try to find out if there is a way you can get some kind of cash reward for turning them in, kinda like how one could get a cash reward for turning in people hiding jews in Nazi Germany.

That is by far the worst comparison I have ever heard before. We get that you don't like snitches, but saying that telling the cops about illegal gambling is even remotely similar to sending a person to a possible death sentence is just stupid.


A couple people were making the argument that is was the right thing to do simply because its a crime, I was trying to point out why that is a flawed argument. Hiding jews was a crime, was it not? I wasn't trying to say one was as bad as the other, but the justification is the same. Its against the law and its my duty as a good citizen/nazi to report the crime. For some people, doing something that may take away their bread and butter/way to earn a living, pretty much amounts to a death sentence.

And it is a victimless crime. Sure, people with gambling rackets can take advantage of people, but I don't equate someone playing video poker or putting coins in a slot machine as a victim, and I'm sure no one else here does either.
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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
Joined: Sep 01 2007
Location: That Rainy State
PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 03:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Nazis eh? You should have never let them take a picture of you wearing that hat!



 
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Lady_Satine
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PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 03:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Blackout wrote:
Nazis eh? You should have never let them take a picture of you wearing that hat!

Shhh.


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Dr. Jeebus
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PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 05:54 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Just remember: if someone else comes forward, you're now an accessory (Or at least accessory after the fact).


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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
Joined: Sep 01 2007
Location: That Rainy State
PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 06:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Jeebus is right, you should eat all potential witnesses and consume their power.



 
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phantasmzombie
Joined: May 22 2009
Location: Cincinnati, OH
PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 06:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Dr. Jeebus wrote:
Just remember: if someone else comes forward, you're now an accessory (Or at least accessory after the fact).


Crimes have to meet a certain criteria for someone to be charged as a accessory, and I'm pretty sure knowledge of illegal slot machines in the backroom of a gas station don't meet the criteria, and on top of that he wasn't even working there on the books. It would never happen.
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Dr. Jeebus
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PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 06:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

phantasmzombie wrote:
Dr. Jeebus wrote:
Just remember: if someone else comes forward, you're now an accessory (Or at least accessory after the fact).


Crimes have to meet a certain criteria for someone to be charged as a accessory, and I'm pretty sure knowledge of illegal slot machines in the backroom of a gas station don't meet the criteria, and on top of that he wasn't even working there on the books. It would never happen.

But he's on camera working there, and the fact that he was working there illegally likely hurts his chances of plausible deniability.


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Doddsino
Joined: Oct 01 2009
PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 07:03 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Worried about blackmail? That's why you blackmail him first. Photoshop him in a dress with a straw up his nose assassinating Abraham Lincoln. Tell him to cut you in for 20% or else...
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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
Joined: Sep 01 2007
Location: That Rainy State
PostPosted: Apr 10 2011 08:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I bet the lose the security tapes if they start getting questioned, only got those in case of robberies. Footage of anything shady going on doesn't do anybody any good lying around waiting to be reviewed.



 
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