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Pachter: "Long-Term, Nintendo Is Doomed"


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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 12:44 pm Reply with quote Back to top

how do you pronounce his last name? pash-ter? pak-ter? at any rate:
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Industry analysts haven't been shy about knocking Satoru Iwata's recently delivered GDC keynote statements, where he explained that he fears that today's emphasis on social and mobile gaming is going to hurt the industry overall. Some highly vocal and influential critics have bashed him in the press for the statements, complaining that statements like these "prove his ignorance and point to the company's own weaknesses."

Your friendly neighborhood analyst Michael Pachter was pretty harsh on Iwata post-keynote: "Long-term, Nintendo is doomed," he said. "He's under full frontal assault by Apple."

Iwata is worried that, instead of creating high-quality gaming experiences, many developers are becoming more concerned with developing low-cost, high-return games with little regard for "quality." He said during the keynote, "The majority of people here are creating games for social and mobile. I fear our business is dividing, and that threatens the employment for those of us who make games for a living."

Something like 300 million people play FarmVille. Super Mario Galaxy 2 sold less than 7 million copies. Iwata has reason to be worried. However: which game is better? Think about that...

Some parting words addressing social gaming from Iwata: "These platforms have no motivation to maintain the high value of video game software. For them content is something created by someone else. The value of games does not matter to them... The fact is, what we produce is value, and we should protect it."

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/84471/pachter-long-term-nintendo-is-doomed/?

personally, i dont think nintendo will ever be doomed, but they do have to fix some of their online shit in order to be taken seriously by the sony/xbox fanboys. and obviously branch out to an HD system & larger hard drive.

and start adding demos to their fucking wiiware system. that was only for a limited time. XBLA offers demos for most of their games. PSN does as well. why doesnt wiiware? so annoying.


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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 12:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

If he's an American, likely "pack-ter." We don't tend to pronounce Germanic words and names properly.


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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 01:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Nintendo prints money, and is no more or less doomed longterm than Sony or Microsoft's gaming divisions.
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 02:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Pacther just spews out random garbage, gets it right 1/10 of the time, and sucks his own dick for it.


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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 03:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah this is a whole lot of hooey really. You can't compare Farmville with any kind of traditional video game because Farmville isn't a game. And to say Nintendo is under assault by Apple is retarded as well. That's like saying Nintendo is threatened by NBC. They're not even in the same business.
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 03:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

username wrote:
how do you pronounce his last name? pash-ter? pak-ter? at any rate:


Probably lik fuck-tard or something like that.

On topic, Pachter is just really bitter on Nintendo for not sharing his vision of the future, and believes that Iwata & Co are stuck with an "old" mindset that will eventually destroy them. In my opinion there is some truths in this, as Nintendo is really a pretty conservative company in a lot of ways, however, they are also extremely innovative and they tend to do take more risk than their closest competitiors. If anybody is fucked long term, I think Sony is a much more likely candidate. Sony never offers anything new on their plattforms except for more power, they have pretty weak franchises, and they seem to once again (with the NGP) to take huge losses on hardware-sales. They have a strong brand recognition with the Playstation-brand, but that can only take you so far, while Nintendo might have a weaker brand (with its kiddy image and all), they have fantastic franchises, and a desire to surprise and think outside the box, so I would say they will probably be better of in the long-term than Sony.
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 04:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Apple is threatening Nintendo. I can't look it up right now, but I think iPhone has overtaken the PSP as the #2 mobile gaming device.

Longterm, we might see a Nintendo phone as a third pillar. I think it's inevitable, because we'll never see Nintendo license out their games on other platforms again.
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 05:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:

Longterm, we might see a Nintendo phone as a third pillar. I think it's inevitable, because we'll never see Nintendo license out their games on other platforms again.


What was the last time? That Zelda game on CDi?

I think Nintendo is missing a gold mine in a Pokemon MMO. A persistent world with wild pokemon that you actually have to go find and catch, leagues with thousands of other players, it's a billion-dollar idea. With the internet connectivity of their newer handhelds it might be able to be done, but ideally could be on the PC. Ideally of course, because that would never happen.


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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 05:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I agree with Syd, its only a matter of time before Iwata announces the Nintendophone which should be a phone capable of playing 3DS games.
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 05:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Jack Slater wrote:
I think Nintendo is missing a gold mine in a Pokemon MMO. A persistent world with wild pokemon that you actually have to go find and catch, leagues with thousands of other players, it's a billion-dollar idea. With the internet connectivity of their newer handhelds it might be able to be done, but ideally could be on the PC. Ideally of course, because that would never happen.

I'm not so sure, because battles are too slow-paced for the audiences accustomed to the instant-action conflicts of traditional MMOs.


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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 05:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

This again? How many times have I heard this in my lifetime? It seems like every couple years, Nintendo is "on the brink". What this moron doesn't realize is how Nintendo can reinvent the wheel when push comes to shove.

That said...I would totally get a Nintenphone.
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 06:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm honestly surprised it hasn't been tried in limited markets already in Japan.


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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 06:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Jack Slater wrote:
What was the last time? That Zelda game on CDi?

Yes, the CD-i games. Before that, Nintendo also licensed Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. on a variety of platforms before the Famicom/NES entered various markets. They also allowed Hudson to produce a Super Mario game for the PC-88.

I don't think Nintenphone would simply be a 3DS with a phone feature. Things like that have been tried before, like the N-Gage. And the N-Gage was terrible as a phone. Not to mention, a DS/3DS is a little too unwieldy to be a phone. More likely, it would harken back to the more simple GameBoy design with a D-pad and 2-4 buttons. Nintendo DOES love touch screens though. Maybe a phone with a single touch-screen and then a game controller panel that slides out, like the slide-out keyboards?
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 07:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER!

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... Nintendo goes out of business Wink


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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 08:13 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I can't see nintendo being doomed. If anything, as a hardcore gamer, I applaud iwata for sharing my opinion on the industry.


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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 08:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Nintendo survived...hell, made money...during a lull that would have killed other companies.

Nintendo is older than 99% of the companies on the planet.

Fuck, Nintendo is older than electricity.
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Nintendo is not older than electricity, and no, I'm not using some lame semantic debate about how lightning is electricity.

Nintendo was founded in 1889. Edison successfully tested his first light bulb in 1879. By 1882, he had opened his first power generating station, providing electricity to 59 customers in lower Manhattan.

And let's not forget that Nintendo survived its own worst enemy: Nintendo. When their aggressive business practices from the 80s came back to haunt them and console developers left in droves for the greener pastures of the PlayStation, Nintendo managed to endure.
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 09:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Nintendo is not older than electricity, and no, I'm not using some lame semantic debate about how lightning is electricity.

Nintendo was founded in 1889. Edison successfully tested his first light bulb in 1879. By 1882, he had opened his first power generating station, providing electricity to 59 customers in lower Manhattan.

And let's not forget that Nintendo survived its own worst enemy: Nintendo. When their aggressive business practices from the 80s came back to haunt them and console developers left in droves for the greener pastures of the PlayStation, Nintendo managed to endure.

Okay, fine, if you want to bring "fact" into this... Sad
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Nintendo is however, without a doubt, the oldest video game company.

Other oldest ones I could find:

Sega, founded 1940
Williams, founded 1943
Sony, founded 1946
Bandai, founded 1950
Taito, founded 1953
Namco, founded 1955

Like Nintendo, all of them started off in other entertainment-related industries.

Most of the names we know today, from your Irem and Banpresto to your Sunsoft and Hudson to your Capcom and SNK, were founded in the 1970s and 1980s.

Tecmo and Konami started off in the late 60s.
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 10:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Like Hell Nintendo will be doomed anytime soon. They have sold over 140 million units from the Nintendo DS family, for starters.

From the look of things, and the posts in this thread, this Pachter guy sounds like a complete moron.


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Syd Lexia wrote:
Nintendo is however, without a doubt, the oldest video game company.

Other oldest ones I could find:

Sega, founded 1940
Williams, founded 1943
Sony, founded 1946
Bandai, founded 1950
Taito, founded 1953
Namco, founded 1955

Like Nintendo, all of them started off in other entertainment-related industries.

Most of the names we know today, from your Irem and Banpresto to your Sunsoft and Hudson to your Capcom and SNK, were founded in the 1970s and 1980s.

Tecmo and Konami started off in the late 60s.

I'd be interested to find out how old Nintendo is compared to all companies. Very few stay in business 10 years, let alone 120.
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Is Nintendo vunerable? Yes. As of December 2010, the Wii has sold over 34 million units more than its closest competitor, the XBox 360, but the increasingly noticeable lag in hardware and online capabilities, have started to sour public perception of the system. Publishers have already seemingly abandoned the system. And after a great holiday game blitz, the Wii's future library is looking bleak. We may get Skyward Sword before Christmas 2011, but between January 2011 and June 2011, only four games of note are currently scheduled for release: Lost In Shadow, which came out in January, De Blob 2 and Mario Sports Mix, which both came out in February, and The Conduit 2, due out in April. And then, nothing, as far as we know. Not good!

And the iPhone and iPad are eating into the portable market. So Nintendo could quickly find itself losing in the console market and the portable market. But even if that were to happen, Nintendo is flush with cash, and when they're backed into a corner, they always seem to find their way safely out. So even though a day may come when Nintendo is once again losing the console wars and losing the portable wars for the first time ever, we are unlikely to see Nintendo-free days within Michael Pachter's lifetime.
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2011 11:08 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Doddsino wrote:
This again? How many times have I heard this in my lifetime? It seems like every couple years, Nintendo is "on the brink". What this moron doesn't realize is how Nintendo can reinvent the wheel when push comes to shove.

That said...I would totally get a Nintenphone.


Exactly, folks were saying this same shit around 2002-2003, when the GC wasn't turning many heads. Now look at them, the DS and Wii have been wildly successful.


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PostPosted: Mar 06 2011 08:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

How the hell can you compare 300 million people playing Farmville to 7 million copies of Mario Galaxy 2 being sold? I guarantee you that 300 million people would not be playing Farmville if they had to pay $50 bucks for it.


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I seriously doubt there are 300 million active Farmville players. Just 300 million people who added the app.
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