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Thinking of buying a macbook


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Optimist With Doubts
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 12:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I am thinking of saving up and getting a macbook. So does anyone here have one? Is it worth it to upgrade to the pro model?


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JoshWoodzy
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 12:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

In before all the Mac hating.

But seriously, my sister has one and it makes me jealous sometimes. It's so fast and does all a college aged person needs to use it for. If you don't play PC games, I don't see the problem with getting a Macbook.


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Optimist With Doubts
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 12:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yes Josh you make a good point. Mac haters, if you are going to troll then just fuck right off.


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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 12:33 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I have one, and I recommend getting a pro.


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Knyte
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 12:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I have no problem with Macs, and know they have their uses. I have even recommended Macs in the past to people over PCs. It's all about usage needs. So, my question to you is, what do you need it to do?
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Optimist With Doubts
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 12:54 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well I have never been a big pc gamer so that's not really important. Honestly my pc now is used primarily for the internet. I do eventually want to get into video making and editing. Also my experience with macs in the past I find them more user friendly.


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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 01:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

A mac wouldn't be bad for that, then. Some of my friends have them and they swear by them. Myself, I think they're a little pricey for their specs, but I"m going back to a desktop soon, so maybe I'm biased. I'm not going to hate, just not my cup of tea.


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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 01:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'd personally love to have a Mac. The interface is so much nicer than Windows. The main problem I have is the price tag for the systems. 1500 for a macbook that I could get similar specs on a laptop for somewhere around 500-700 bucks is kinda dumb to me. If they made their prices more competitive I'd actually replace my laptop with a Macbook. I'd have to keep my desktop though because gaming on a Mac is still pretty much out of the question at this point.
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 01:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Jesus Christ. I'll see if I can find Steve Jobs for you guys, since you all want to blow him so bad. And honestly, I kinda respect you guys for it. The man has a lot of health problems and will probably die within the next five years. Kudos to you for wanting to ease his pain with blowjobs. But I still wouldn't buy a Mac.
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 01:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

^haha

does apple have an outlet kind of site where they sell refurbished macs? or macs that 'scratches & dents'?

i bought my laptop for $500 on the dell outlet website and its pretty decent. i only use it for some steam games & online crap. and i cant even see the scratch or dent


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Optimist With Doubts
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 01:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well I'll just fuck off then syd I guess that's what I get for asking for advice. It's just as much bullshit to get lambasted for wanting to buy a mac then it is to mindlessly buy all apple products.


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JoshWoodzy
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 01:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Jesus Christ. I'll see if I can find Steve Jobs for you guys, since you all want to blow him so bad. And honestly, I kinda respect you guys for it. The man has a lot of health problems and will probably die within the next five years. Kudos to you for wanting to ease his pain with blowjobs. But I still wouldn't buy a Mac.

I didn't see anyone praising Macs as the second coming of Jesus. What is the problem? All that diet soda is making you angry for no good reason. Optimist was just asking, and people were giving opinions without being dicks because that is what he asked for.


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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 01:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Jesus Christ. I'll see if I can find Steve Jobs for you guys, since you all want to blow him so bad. And honestly, I kinda respect you guys for it. The man has a lot of health problems and will probably die within the next five years. Kudos to you for wanting to ease his pain with blowjobs. But I still wouldn't buy a Mac.


If it'd get me a good chunk of his estate, I'd probably consider it. That guy is loaded.


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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 01:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Wow, dudes. I was kidding. Calm down. Everyone was agreeing, so I felt obligated to be nasty and overly contrarian to add depth to the discussion. There's nothing wrong with Macs at all.

It's actually bizarre how much Mac hate there is. Not here, but in general. You know, when someone hates on Pepsi or Nintendo, it's because they prefer Coke or Sony. But when people hate on Macs, it's because they prefer... nothing in particular?

Mac is a reliable, established brand with a clear cut philosophy. PC users don't have that sort of brand loyalty. They buy whatever happens to fit their budget, regardless of the brandm and then proceed to whine a month later when their hardware is no longer good enough to run the newest, hottest game on the platform. Macs are increasing being used for business and education, because they're less susceptible to viruses and can run business and education apps that are just as good or better than the PC ones.
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Optimist With Doubts
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 02:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well as you said there is lots of hate out there so you understand the reaction, since someone hating on mac seems to be the norm.I apologize for freaking out.


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Knyte
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 02:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Optimist With Doubts wrote:
Well I have never been a big pc gamer so that's not really important. Honestly my pc now is used primarily for the internet. I do eventually want to get into video making and editing. Also my experience with macs in the past I find them more user friendly.

I have a friend who runs a public access show, and he is using a mac for all editing and post effects.

I prefer PC and using Premiere and After Effects myself, but I don't do anywhere near the level of use he does.

If you don't like the interface of windows, how about Linux? Gnome is a great desktop environment, you can make it look like Windows, OSX, or just keep it as is.

The only downside to Macs, is the before mentioned price premium you have to pay.

I mean, look at this:
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro?afid=p219|GOUS&cid=OAS-US-KWG-CPUMacBookPro-US

13" MacBook Pro
2.4GHz Core 2 Duo (Dual-Core)
4GB Memory
250GB HDD
NVIDIA GeForce 320M
DVD burner
$1,199

For the same budget, I would rather buy:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834214048

15.6" Toshiba Satellite A665-3DV5
2.53GHz Intel Core i5 460M (Quad-Core)
4GB Memory
640GB HDD
NVIDIA GeForce GTS 350M
Blu Ray Reader/DVD Burner combo drive
$1,169

EDIT: I was looking around the MAC site, and holy shit, upgrading is a fucking rip-off!!!

Desktop memory upgrade:
http://store.apple.com/us/memorymodel/ME_IMAC_S10_21

Apple Memory Module 8GB 1333MHz DDR3 (PC3-10600) - 2x4GB
$800!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here, take your pick. All of these are the exact same rated memory for PC:
(DDR3 1333MHz, 2x4GB)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006050%20600006131%20600006069&IsNodeId=1&name=8GB%20(2%20x%204GB)
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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 02:08 pm Reply with quote Back to top

One thing you might want to look into is warranty/repair. I am not 100% on this, because I don't own a Mac, but I think I remember reading that damaged machines must be serviced at an Apple Store. Attempting to have anyone fix your machine not only voids the warranty, but allows them to outright deny service even if it's on your dime. Again, I could be completely wrong on this. Maybe someone else can clear this up.

At the very least, they certainly highly prefer that your machine be serviced at an Apple Store, so if there's not one that's near you, that might be something to consider. Especially if you're in school. Are you in school? I forget.

I do know for sure that AT&T and Verizon cannot repair/replace iPhones, it has to be done directly through Apple.
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Alowishus
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 02:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I will give my honest opinion on macs here.

I feel that macs are ridiculously overpriced because they are a brand name and that the parts they use are usually outdated but yet they can continue to sell it at a high price by sticking an apple sticker on it.

HOWEVER you said you aren't using it for gaming so components isn't really that much of an issue. From my experience they are pretty user friendly though if you have problems it you may have a hard time fixing it yourself.

Also they are very good for music, composition, web design, editing etc. If you are into that go for it.

If you are into games, stay the hell away. I bought my cousin a game on steam and it wouldn't work. Only after did she tell me she add a Mac. They are nearly incompatible with anything.

No hating here, i am merely stating the facts and my experience.

EDIT: See GPF he knows more about computer parts that i do!
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 02:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The laptops offered by Apple are extremely overpriced when compared part for part against most other vendors. If you are ok with that, then the question is always about timing.

Mac releases new "refreshes" every so often to their products and does not usually change the cost during the refresh. So unlike other vendors where buying later equates to cost savings, Mac products are best bought up front as soon as they come out to avoid obsolescence.

It is tricky right now because the next major change coming is a new updated processor from Intel. The difference in power is amazing, and it will trickle down to every aspect of the computer's functionality. This means that network speed, processing, memory handling, graphics, and most everything else will become faster. Additionally the unit is cheaper to produce, so it will not cost as much. http://www.pcworld.com/article/213294/apples_switch_to_sandy_bridge_impact_for_gamers.html

The problem is that Intel has a product recall out for the new chip. The original estimate was that the refresh would occur in March or April. If you were to buy a computer now, it would have two months before it became "old". If you can wait, then you would have a "new" computer for a solid year. This is all speculation at this point, but the reality is, a refresh is due. http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Pro

The next major question, is where should you purchase the computer? Direct from Apple has its advantages. You can get a discount if you have certain affiliations. However, as with all laptops, it is usually best to pick up some insurance to make sure that the product investment is safe even if you damage it. AppleCare does a great job if the computer is defective, however it doesn't protect against accidental damage. The only place I know of that offers that type of warranty is BestBuy. Accidental Coverage ranges around $300-$350. http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/en_US/images/global/pcontent/gs/btp/BTP_Computers.pdf?h=488

If you are determined to go forwards right now, you should understand a few things.
  • Core 2 Duo processors are now based on 5 year old technology.
  • Core i5 Processors are now based on 2 year old technology
  • Core i7 Processors are now based on 3 year old technology (but refreshes keep there speed ahead of i5)
  • Core i5 Processors are dual core with no hyperthreading
  • Core i7 Processors are quad core with hyperthreading
  • Laptops (especially macs) make CPU/GPU upgrading nearly impossible


If you run a lot of applications at once, or extremely intense applications, the i7 becomes necessary. If you run a medium number of applications and applications that simply don't use multiple cores effectively, the i5 should be sufficient. In order to be in the correct processor range, your current models are all Mac Pro units with retail prices of $1800 - $2200 before any warranty.

For comparison, I just helped a friend order an i7 ($2200 on the mac) based Windows computer. The computer, with a 3 year accidental warranty from Dell was $1475.

Also worth noting. I have a MacBook Pro that is 2.5 years old running a Core2 Duo. It is starting to feel a bit slow when compared to my i7 desktop and Xeon W3580 workstation. Still, it is great for most things... I'll most likely replace it in another 6 months when the next refresh comes out... well... work will replace it for me when I tell them I need it.



 
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 02:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well I am not buying it now, probably be closer to march or april when I have the money together.


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Knyte
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 02:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Or, you could have the best of both worlds:

Run OSX on a PC:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-install-mac-os-x-on-a-pc-without-using-a-mac/

Buy a cheaper PC laptop, and then install OSX on it. Bam! You have a Hackentosh.
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 03:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Alowishus wrote:
Also they are very good for music, composition, web design, editing etc.

Just to be very clear about the media issue. There is a 99% chance that if a product exists for a Mac, a PC alternative exists that is equally powerful. This doesn't mean that the same product exists for both, but there is almost always an alternative.

* High End Video Editing: Final Cut for example is only on a Mac, but on a Windows PC you could get Vegas, Avid, or Premier.
* Photo Editing: Photoshop and GIMP are available on Mac and Windows
* Music Editing: Logic Studio is only available from Apple, but FL Studio, Pro Tools, Cubase, Nuendo, and Cakewalk all work on Windows.
* Music Composition: Sibelius and Finale are both Win/Mac software.
* Web Design: Xcode can kinda do HTML, but if you want a real web IDE, then Aptana Studio, Dream Weaver, and Visual Studio are the real options.
* Productivity: Office 2010/2011 makes email, wordprocessing, spreadsheets, and presentations equal.
* Small Databases: FileMaker is cross platform, Access is for the PC.
* Music Management: iTunes works on Macs and PCs. MediaMonkey works on the PC.
* Photo Management: iPhoto works on the Mac only, but LightRoom and Picasa both work on Mac and PC.
* File Management: Spotlight and Windows Search both help with Finder/Explorer equally and can both be customized based on user preferences to search and index specific locations.
* Backups: Time Machine for Mac, Windows 7 Backup for PC. Alternatively Dropbox and Sugarsync work for both as well.

This list is provided to prove more things are equal than rumors would tell. Pick the platform you want based on your personal needs, experience, budget, and preference. Also, if you work for someone who demands a platform... that would be a good reason to be compliant.

I should also point out that DirectX is a Windows and XboX input/output API that will most likely remain inaccessible on Macs. This means that most games developed for the PC will never be ported to the Mac. Some developers such as Valve have been pushing for more OpenGL(Graphics competition to DirectX) development so that there can be more cross platform games. I hope that the platforms do balance out, but it is unlikely it will occur in the next 3-4 years with the sole exception of options such as OnLive, cloud based gaming.

It is also worth noting that OS X 10.6 does have the ability to bind to an Active Directory Domain. It can access most resources. However, the machines can't be easily managed using Group Policy or Powershell.



 
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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 03:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I believe MVC3 is the best of both worlds.
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 03:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
I believe MVC3 is the best of both worlds.

That would be the Fate of Two Worlds, not the best. And it is unfortunately missing from both aforementioned platforms.



 
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2011 03:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quick question: my laptop has a loose USB port causing it to not be able to read anything i plug into it. is it easy to fix/tighten those?


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