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Bombshell: Government Admits Fluoride Hurting Children


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PostPosted: Jan 18 2011 06:21 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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A significant milestone in the fight against fluoride emerged quietly and without major notice from the mainstream news last week. After decades of ignoring the research about the dangers and hailing water fluoridation as one of the 10 greatest health achievements of the 20th Century (CDC), the government is calling for a reduction in the amount of fluoride it adds to public water supplies, citing its negative effect on teeth (dental fluorosis). For the first time since 1962, the standard for fluoride will be lowered from 1.2 to 0.7 milligrams per liter.

Because fluoride from water builds up over time in the human body, this reduction will not eliminate the dangers of fluoride– which include risk of bone cancer, bone fractures, thyroid disorder, brain inflammation, lowered IQ and mental functions, sterility or reduced fertility and more. However, it is a good sign that the powers-that-be are losing ground on the fluoride debate. Further, the reduction of fluoridation is proof that the warnings from activists, critics and health professionals have been heard after all.

more at the link: http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-government-admits-fluoride-hurting-children/


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UsaSatsui
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PostPosted: Jan 18 2011 06:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Username, welcome back and all, but if you post anything from that site ever again under the assumption it's true, I'm going to take away your tinfoil hat.

And you won't like where I'm gonna store it.
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PostPosted: Jan 18 2011 06:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

hehe touche

i just thought it was a funny article. i never presumed it to be true


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Wait a second, how can you not believe this guy:
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PostPosted: Jan 18 2011 07:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

No kidding. I think Alex Jones had a really good expose on Bohemian Grove, which I actually saw when I was in my teens, but that site is for bugfuck crazy people. And this is coming from a conspiracist.


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PostPosted: Jan 18 2011 10:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I like to read regular news and conspiracy news and see if anything matches up.



 
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Jack Slater
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PostPosted: Jan 19 2011 04:27 am Reply with quote Back to top

Fluoridation is harmful. That's the general conclusion I've come to.

More over, the inconsistencies around the subject really astound me. An example: when I was a child and would go the dentist, I would have to swish fluoride in my mouth for a minute, and this was some pretty concentrated shit. I'd spit it out and then feel like utter shit for the next couple of hours. They say this is to prevent cavities.

Now, I'm an adult. When I had health insurance and could go to a dentist, they never once made me do the fluoride swish. They say I get enough fluoride from the environment and daily life now.

Well if that's the case, why the extra fluoride as a child? They were my fucking baby teeth, for Christ's sake! Who gives a shit if they get cavities? Yet my permanent chompers that will be with me until I die don't deserve the extra protection? And what about that utter shit feeling I mentioned?

Fluoride is not what it appears.
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Pandajuice
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PostPosted: Jan 19 2011 07:15 am Reply with quote Back to top

Fluoride is awesome. You can't blame one isolated incident of you feeling a bit sick after swishing some dental fluid (how did you know as a kid it even contained fluoride?) And yes, you get enough fluoride now as an adult because almost every city municipality in the country fluoridates their water, which may not have been the case when you were a kid. Your dentist is assuming your water is fluoridated and that you drink it in your daily life.

Growing up my water was always fluoridated and to this day, I still have never had a cavity nor any problem with my teeth. Furthermore, I have no real significant health problems that could conceivably be blamed on fluoride. So all I know is that being exposed to fluoridated water for 25 years gave me pristine teeth and nothing else.

Anyone worried about getting too much fluoride because it's in the water, just don't buy fluoride toothpaste and you're covered. Too many crackpots in this world going insane over every little thing.
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PostPosted: Jan 19 2011 01:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I remember in Kindergarden the School Nurse use to bring in Trays of Fluoride in those little paper cups that fast food places have at the condiments dispenser. Swish around for a minute, then spit it out.

My Dad signed a Slip saying I wasn't to participate in it, because if you didn't have it, it was Manidtory. He has worked for a Water Plant for the past 25 years and always said we had enough in our water.
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PostPosted: Jan 19 2011 03:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I don't get why people complain about this.

Fluoride is good for your teeth.

I don't see you complaining about chlorine getting added to your water.

...and i've been to Florida don't try and tell me they don't add it!
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PostPosted: Jan 19 2011 03:44 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Flouride may help your teeth, but is it really worth having your mind controlled by the CIA?
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PostPosted: Jan 19 2011 03:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Flouride may help your teeth, but is it really worth having your mind controlled by the CIA?

Haha!


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Jack Slater
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PostPosted: Jan 23 2011 05:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Pandajuice wrote:
Fluoride is awesome. You can't blame one isolated incident of you feeling a bit sick after swishing some dental fluid (how did you know as a kid it even contained fluoride?)


First, it wasn't one isolated incident, they made me do it every single time I went to the dentist. And second, I know it contained fluoride because that's what they told me it was. They're not trying to hide it, especially considering that publicly they call it beneficial.

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And yes, you get enough fluoride now as an adult because almost every city municipality in the country fluoridates their water, which may not have been the case when you were a kid. Your dentist is assuming your water is fluoridated and that you drink it in your daily life.


I drank the same amount of tap water now that I did as a kid(re: hardly any, considering the quality of Phoenix's water.) What made my child teeth so darn precious that they had to give me that extra?

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Growing up my water was always fluoridated and to this day, I still have never had a cavity nor any problem with my teeth. Furthermore, I have no real significant health problems that could conceivably be blamed on fluoride. So all I know is that being exposed to fluoridated water for 25 years gave me pristine teeth and nothing else.


The fact that you haven't had a cavity is not really related to fluoridation, as many people who drink the same water you do still get cavities. Consider yourself genetically lucky, I suppose.

Also, you can't say for certain that it hasn't affected you, for as the conspiracy theory goes, fluoride allegedly lowers your IQ, which is something you won't really notice. Maybe you could have been the next Tesla! But that damn fluoride makes it all for naught.
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PostPosted: Jan 23 2011 05:37 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Alowishus wrote:
I don't get why people complain about this.

Fluoride is good for your teeth.


Many dispute this.

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I don't see you complaining about chlorine getting added to your water.

...and i've been to Florida don't try and tell me they don't add it!


That's one thing. The chlorine is to make sure that you receive a relatively sanitary water supply. It's to kill off bacteria, because the water services can't have that shit contaminating people. That doesn't make the chlorine good for you, it's YOUR responsibility to remove that chlorine from your water, all the water services have to do is make sure the water gets to your house without ebola or whatever.

So that's a public health issue, a rather large one. But fluoride? Why was it considered such an absolutely vital need to fight cavities that they added it to the water nearly all over the country? Especially considering other chemicals and factors that harm us, they don't really give a shit about fixing?
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PostPosted: Jan 24 2011 07:07 am Reply with quote Back to top

Well think about it: Americans have the best, whitest, and straightest teeth in the world. I know, because I'm American currently living in England - it's a huge difference. Part of that is that dentistry and oral hygiene is a higher priority in the US than elsewhere, but I think it also has to do with most of the country's water being fluoridated as well.

You don't avoid cavities by being lucky and it has nothing to do with genetics. I avoided cavities my whole life because I brush my teeth for 2-5 minutes at a time (not the recommended 30 seconds), went to the dentist at least once a year, and my tap water was always fluoridated of which I drank a ton of. My brother also has had no problems with his teeth so far and he still lives in my hometown.

People will dispute everything and there's always a few crazy loudmouths causing trouble and making claims without any evidence to back it up. Fluoride lowers your IQ? Are you kidding?
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PostPosted: Jan 24 2011 06:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

My dental hygiene has always been a little lacking. There were even years when I was younger that it was 100% nonexistent. Despite that, people are always saying my teeth are really white, and I don't have any cavities. As far as I'm concerned, Fluoride is the greatest thing to ever happen to civilization. WAY better than fire!


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PostPosted: Jan 24 2011 06:44 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Fluoride is great. I grew up in Portland, OR where almost none of the water is fluoridated and the cavity rates in Portland are very high.
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Oregon has the nation's third lowest rate of community water fluoridation, which is one of the most effective ways to prevent cavities in children. In a 2007 survey of 32 states, Oregon had among the worst rates of cavities and rampant decay among children.

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/02/the_gap_in_oregons_smile_only.html

I wish we could have had fluoridated water when I was growing up, but when you get your water directly from the mountain, with no treatment plants, there just isn't any place to insert the fluoride into the water supply.


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PostPosted: Jan 24 2011 09:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Pandajuice wrote:


People will dispute everything and there's always a few crazy loudmouths causing trouble and making claims without any evidence to back it up. Fluoride lowers your IQ? Are you kidding?


http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fluoride-in-water-linked-to-lower-iq-in-children-112261459.html

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According to Paul Connett, Ph.D., director of the Fluoride Action Network, "This is the 24th study that has found this association, but this study is stronger than the rest because the authors have controlled for key confounding variables and in addition to correlating lowered IQ with levels of fluoride in the water, the authors found a correlation between lowered IQ and fluoride levels in children's blood. This brings us closer to a cause and effect relationship between fluoride exposure and brain damage in children."

"What is also striking is that the levels of the fluoride in the community where the lowered IQs were recorded were lower than the EPA's so-called 'safe' drinking water standard for fluoride of 4 ppm and far too close for comfort to the levels used in artificial fluoridation programs (0.7 – 1.2 ppm)," says Connett.

In this study, 512 children aged 8-13 years in two Chinese villages were studied and tested – Wamaio with an average of 2.47 mg/L water fluoride (range 0.57-4.50 mg/L) and Xinhuai averaging 0.36 mg/L (range 0.18-0.76 mg/L).

The authors eliminated both lead exposure and iodine deficiency as possible causes for the lowered IQs. They also excluded any children who had a history of brain disease or head injury and none drank brick tea, known to contain high fluoride levels. Neither village is exposed to fluoride pollution from burning coal or other industrial sources.

About 28% of the children in the low-fluoride area scored as bright, normal or higher intelligence compared to only 8% in the "high" fluoride area of Wamaio.

In the high-fluoride city, 15% had scores indicating mental retardation and only 6% in the low-fluoride city.

The study authors write: "In this study we found a significant dose-response relation between fluoride level in serum and children's IQ."


Not a be-all end-all indictment, but food for thought.
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PostPosted: Jan 25 2011 07:20 am Reply with quote Back to top

Those numbers are meaningless though and are only spun in such a way to point at fluoride as the culprit. 512 children from only two villages (one low and one high fluoride) is a completely insufficient sample size to come to that conclusion, especially when there are a million other variables to take into account, the IQ test itself being one of them. Also, biased scientists from the "Fluoride Action Network" isn't the best source either; of course they're going to try to link fluoride to anything bad.

How's the education system in each village? Difference in wealth? Which one has the better parents that encourage academics over other pursuits? Which is more technologically advanced? What are the diets of all of the children? What are the homes like in terms of sophistication? How much sun exposure does each child get?

All of those questions have an effect on a child's IQ.

Immediately pointing at fluoride to explain the difference in these IQ scores is dodgy pseudo science. Get back to me when a neutral agency has a sample size of over 10,000 from 50 different locations and have taken into account other crucial variables such as diet, differences in education systems from one village to the next, and whether the parents of every single test subject are together and academically-focused.
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