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Joined: Sep 25 2009 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 395

Wow, I am really surprised about all the negativity concerning Wikileaks here. You americans are really a patriotic bunch, or what?

I do agree that quite a few of the leaks have been unnecessary (for reasons already stated by others), and that most of the leaks are not giving us a lot of new or interesting info, but I think especially the leaks concerning the wars against Afghanistan and Iraq seems interesting. Seemingly, the western governments knew that they were lying to their populations (that is: us), fabricated quite a few links between Al Qaida and Saddam Hussein, and managed to convince a lot of people in the west that attacking Iraq was to route Osama Bin Laden. Is this not important for people to know about? It raises the question of why Iraq was attacked in the first place, and why that could not have been given as "official" reasoning for the attacks. I don't know about you guys, but I feel that this kind of information is actually important when deciding who to vote for, who to trust etc, and as such is important for the democracy as whole. Now, that does not mean that I don't think that quite a few of the leaks have been unnecessary and should have remained governmental secrets,but only that I also do believe that there is something good coming out of this.

Posted: Dec 07 2010 03:12 pm

There's also the possibility that all of this is a ruse and that some of the information is false, all to confuse the enemy and make a few new ones.

Posted: Dec 07 2010 03:20 pm

I don't quite understand all of the hullabaloo about all of this. Really, are the majority of the leaks anything that we don't or didn't already know?

Basically it's the world going "OMFG IRAN, you suck!" or "Dude, I think North Korea over there has some Nuclear Weapons or something" or "That guy China sure doesn't like Google!"

Posted: Dec 07 2010 03:22 pm

Wasn't there was just a round of leaks that gave up some strategic secret locations, etc? I don't care about the "He said N. Korea sucks" "Russia is a pain in the ass" ones.

Joined: Sep 25 2009 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 395

Rydog wrote:

Wasn't there was just a round of leaks that gave up some strategic secret locations, etc? I don't care about the "He said N. Korea sucks" "Russia is a pain in the ass" ones.

This is the kind of leak that is just stupid of course, there is no doubting that.

Joined: Sep 25 2009 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 395

The-Excel wrote:

There's also the possibility that all of this is a ruse and that some of the information is false, all to confuse the enemy and make a few new ones.

This might be, but who would be behind it then? And why would our governments go to such lengths to capture him if it is all false?

By the way, this is a good view on wikileaks in my opinion. I don't usually agree with him, but I feel he hits the nail with this one. http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/ron-paul/focus-on-the-policy-not-wikileaks

Posted: Dec 07 2010 05:42 pm

My conspiracy sense tingles that it's all a false flag operation to get the american Public behind shutting down the net! Razz

Posted: Dec 07 2010 07:14 pm

Ron Paul is the man.

Joined: Mar 18 2010 Location: Tuonela Posts: 299

I'm sure somebody will make a movie about Assange. We have tragedy, betrayal, political tension and hot female agents.

Posted: Dec 08 2010 09:09 am

Blackout wrote:

My conspiracy sense tingles that it's all a false flag operation to get the american Public behind shutting down the net! Razz

I don't think the American public could handle that. People would flip out. Preferably like ninjas.

Posted: Dec 08 2010 10:26 am

Rydog wrote:

Wasn't there was just a round of leaks that gave up some strategic secret locations, etc?

Yes. And Troop Tactics, and Movements. Informant names. And pleanty of other shit that shouldn't be leaked.

Posted: Dec 08 2010 03:13 pm

taterfyrings wrote:

Wow, I am really surprised about all the negativity concerning Wikileaks here. You americans are really a patriotic bunch, or what?

I do agree that quite a few of the leaks have been unnecessary (for reasons already stated by others), and that most of the leaks are not giving us a lot of new or interesting info, but I think especially the leaks concerning the wars against Afghanistan and Iraq seems interesting. Seemingly, the western governments knew that they were lying to their populations (that is: us), fabricated quite a few links between Al Qaida and Saddam Hussein, and managed to convince a lot of people in the west that attacking Iraq was to route Osama Bin Laden. Is this not important for people to know about? It raises the question of why Iraq was attacked in the first place, and why that could not have been given as "official" reasoning for the attacks. I don't know about you guys, but I feel that this kind of information is actually important when deciding who to vote for, who to trust etc, and as such is important for the democracy as whole. Now, that does not mean that I don't think that quite a few of the leaks have been unnecessary and should have remained governmental secrets,but only that I also do believe that there is something good coming out of this.

Pretty much this.

Also, this must have pissed off some kids who just recently watched Fight Club because:

Quote:

WikiLeaks backlash humbles MasterCard website
The website for MasterCard is struggling with severe technical problems today, possibly the result of attacks by hackers supporting WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.
MasterCard, which pulled the plug on its relationship with WikiLeaks on Tuesday, says credit cards are not affected by today's web issues. Supporters of WikiLeaks, which has released thousands of classified government documents in recent weeks, operating under the label "Operation Payback" claimed responsibility in a message on Twitter.

Rest of this story can be read here.

Laughing

at them announcing their "evil" doing on twitter.

Posted: Dec 08 2010 03:50 pm

Atma wrote:

Rydog wrote:

Wasn't there was just a round of leaks that gave up some strategic secret locations, etc?

Yes. And Troop Tactics, and Movements. Informant names. And pleanty of other shit that shouldn't be leaked.

Actually, if you've seen a lot of the information supposed to reveal that, it's either A) past information likely not in employ currently or B)redacted, oft-times both. Either way it goes, it's not going to play out well, but I seriously doubt Joe Infantryman is going to be in further harm because of the whole situation.

Posted: Dec 08 2010 05:15 pm

aeonic wrote:

Atma wrote:

Rydog wrote:

Wasn't there was just a round of leaks that gave up some strategic secret locations, etc?

Yes. And Troop Tactics, and Movements. Informant names. And pleanty of other shit that shouldn't be leaked.

Actually, if you've seen a lot of the information supposed to reveal that, it's either A) past information likely not in employ currently or B)redacted, oft-times both. Either way it goes, it's not going to play out well, but I seriously doubt Joe Infantryman is going to be in further harm because of the whole situation.

Actually, as a member of the Military, Yeah. It will cause harm. Just because those we're dated back a few years doesn't mean they've changed. When they find something that works, they generally stick with it, and make improvements off of it.

I've seen Tactical Publications that we're created as far back as 1982 that we still use, but have only made slight "amendments" to. Anything Classified SECRET will not be De-Classified until 25 years later. That's standard for all Secret Material.

Joined: May 22 2008 Location: Goshen, VA Posts: 6544

The information gathered was obtained by illegal means. So we just let the whole group get away with it? Assange wants to be the spokesman for the whole shebang, let the fuck go to jail for all the obviously illegal tactics used to get the info. If a regular old reporter spouted all this shit in a newspaper he would already be in jail.

It's not a free speech issue, it's not a "ooo, badass group releasing info to the people!" issue, it's a pretty simple case involving hackers doing illegal shit. That is it. Look at the guys record, he's been in trouble for hacking a bunch of shit many times in the past, I really don't like living in a country or world for that matter where people don't have to pay for their actions in situations like this.

Posted: Dec 10 2010 08:05 am

I'd argue the point more about the situation, but I came to a realization about what the whole point behind this little exercise actually is, and that's that it's going to be cited as a primary reason why the Internet in the US needs additional legislation and regulation. I wasn't certain until Anonymous got involved, but now I know better.

Posted: Dec 12 2010 04:46 pm

Assange is just an idiot. He's a guy who locked onto the US government as something he wants to take down. So he's released a bunch of stuff, most of which is just a boring read, but some actually harmful. The only interesting thing I've read about all of this is that the government is looking to whether they can prosecute the people who've handed over their computers to take part in the DDOSing. Everything else is just kinda meh.

Joined: May 22 2008 Location: Goshen, VA Posts: 6544

He's not an idiot, he's a cool guy just looking for a date. Just like on this dating profile of him he made in 2006 Laughing

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/HarryHarrison

Posted: Dec 12 2010 06:21 pm

So on top of Denial of Servicing the credit card companies I hear Anon attacked one of the Fed's pages, who wants to bet we'll see a bunch of neck beards in Guy Fawkes masks being herded out of their mother's basements by swat teams now?

Fucking Anon, they're going to ruin the internet.

Posted: Dec 13 2010 04:47 pm

No one wants to talk about this?

I think Anon is doing it wrong, trying to take a stand against censorship by hacking the feds is kind of like taking a stand against bears by poking one with a stick, mark my words they're gonna be the prefect excuse to push net censorship thing.

Joined: May 22 2008 Location: Goshen, VA Posts: 6544

I really just don't think anyone over 21 gives a shit.

Posted: Dec 13 2010 07:03 pm

Blackout wrote:

No one wants to talk about this?

I think Anon is doing it wrong, trying to take a stand against censorship by hacking the feds is kind of like taking a stand against bears by poking one with a stick, mark my words they're gonna be the prefect excuse to push net censorship thing.

I think your right. Big government will sit up and see these "scary basement people" coming together and use them as ammo to censor internet pages and what we can do.

I See where your going with this. And agree.

Posted: Dec 13 2010 09:31 pm

Atma wrote:

Blackout wrote:

No one wants to talk about this?

I think Anon is doing it wrong, trying to take a stand against censorship by hacking the feds is kind of like taking a stand against bears by poking one with a stick, mark my words they're gonna be the prefect excuse to push net censorship thing.

I think your right. Big government will sit up and see these "scary basement people" coming together and use them as ammo to censor internet pages and what we can do.

I See where your going with this. And agree.

I think the government (which ever branch this would fall in) needs to be more concerned wtih mutiny in the ranks. Because the fact this shit is that "easy" to get into just doesn't sit well with me.

But I doubt the all the internet censor stuff through, I mean if they've shot down that RFID crap, this won't see the floor.

Posted: Dec 13 2010 09:44 pm

Do we have to censor the internet? Can't we just drag these idiots out of their basements in the middle of the night and send them to secret prisons? No one will miss them.

Posted: Dec 13 2010 10:27 pm

joshwoodzy wrote:

I really just don't think anyone over 21 gives a shit.

I certainly don't.