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Undeath
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PostPosted: Nov 15 2010 03:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I work in a big box store, and with all big box stores, you get this problem; namely Christmas shit starts going up the day after Halloween. So of course we're not even halfway through November yet, and Christmas is on the mind. Which gets me thinking about a couple of things, and the opinions of the forumed masses about it.

How do you guys feel about Christmas being hyped well over a month in advance? I don't mind it if it's for the right reasons, like the season of togetherness and stuff, but in the case of stores and such, it loses its sincerity and becomes "better think of what you're going to buy for one day months ahead of time!" Has Christmas become too commercialized? Have we really all lost the real meaning of Christmas, and do you agree or disagree with it?

What about Thanksgiving? Thanksgiving is fundamentally as American a holiday as the Fourth of July when you think about it... it celebrates Native Americans' friendship (at the time) and spirit of giving to proto-Americans, a feast of brotherhood for our ancestors in America before there even WAS an America, and thus I believe it should be as recognized as July 4th, yet because everyone's so bombarded by Christmas, we seem to forget. It's November 15th today, yet the store is decorated for Christmas, and for Thanksgiving... maybe one little endcap. What happened to Thanksgiving? You could say that's it's only one day, but isn't is just as important as Christmas? And, isn't it one day in the same spirit? The only difference is you get presents instead of food.

Lastly, getting back to the commercialization of Christmas, how do you guys feel about receiving gift cards as Christmas presents? The idea is sound, but it's almost like a big FUCK YOU to receive one from a close relative. There is the idea that you'll be able to use it yourself and get what YOU want for christmas instead of some crapshoot, hope-for-the-best present from some out of touch relative, but it also has this stigma of "I just bought you this because I'm too fucking lazy to pick out something you may like" on it. Do you or do you not feel that giving gift cards as a present is too impersonal? That, during a holiday where you show your generosity and thoughtfulness through gift, you eliminate thoughtfulness with an impersonal card?


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"MARGARINE IS ONE MOLECULE AWAY FROM PLASTIC."

Not only is that not right, that's not even wrong. It's a meaningless statement. Saying something is "one molecule away" from plastic is like saying a farm is one letter away from a fart. Water is "one molecule away" from being explosive hydrogen gas.

 
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Rydog
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PostPosted: Nov 15 2010 03:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I swear I just had this convo. May have been here. Well, if businesses see a chance to capitalize for additional sales, you can hardly blame them. They are after all, trying to make money. Everyone will complain about it WHILE they are shopping grabbing all the presale prior to the actual presale for the REAL sale that is followed by the actual best sale ever sale which is why it is what it is.

That being said, yeah, it is too commercialized, I don't see it turning around though.
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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Nov 15 2010 03:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm not sure that I can fairly answer this... has Christmas been over commercialized?

Santa
Christmas Trees
Hanging Stockings
Ornaments
Candy Canes
Reindeer

I have never understood what that stuff has to do with Christmas. Moreover I have never had a Christian friend that could explain it to me. Still, these are the traditional symbols of the holiday and I am happy to wish my fellow man good will during times of peaceful celebration.

However, I went into a store the other day and found a wreath in the shape of a Star of David followed by a bush with lights on it in the shape of a menorah.

No offense my fellow humans, but get your commercialism the fuck out of my religion.

Most of Chanukah's symbols are explained through stories and traditions that are passed along during the celebration of the holiday. Mixing the symbols of religions to further commercial gains is great if the symbols have no meaning, but when they actually do serve to represent something, leave them alone.

Menorah - Miracle of oil
Latkes - Miracle of oil
Dreidel - Studying Torah under the guise of gambling
Gelt - ok.. this one is bullshit.

So commercialism, take it, go with it... fuck up Gelt... it is meaningless. Leave the other damn symbols alone.



 
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SoldierHawk
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PostPosted: Nov 15 2010 03:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I find the "X-mas stuff going up before Thanksgiving" BS incredibly annoying.

As for gift cards, I have no problem with them, assuming they at least put in enough thought to get me a gift card that would be useful to me. Card to my local comic store, the movie theatre I attend, or my favorite restaurant? Hell yeah. Not only is that something I can really use, it at least shows the giver is aware of my interests, if not the specific item I'd like. I'm more than okay with that.

But some random card to Target or Starbucks, while it obviously needs to be accepted with grace, does feel a little thoughtless.


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Doddsino
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PostPosted: Nov 15 2010 04:13 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I hate it. No holiday should get 2 months of hype, maybe if I was 7 I could appreciate it, but now it just irritates the living hell out of me. Since I also hate shopping, as well as shopping for others, it's just too much to bother with. I tend to not watch TV around this time of year, for that particular reason.

I always found it weird how Oct-April...it's a nonstop parade of buying shit for people, then with the exception of the 4th July, there's nothing during the middle months.
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Rydog
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PostPosted: Nov 15 2010 04:18 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Doddsino wrote:
I always found it weird how Oct-April...it's a nonstop parade of buying shit for people, then with the exception of the 4th July, there's nothing during the middle months.


During that time period, we are too busy working overtime/double shifts for all the things we need to buy during the other months.
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PostPosted: Nov 15 2010 05:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

"What's the matter with you people? How long does it take you to shop?!"



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PostPosted: Nov 15 2010 09:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think that the problem is that Christmas happens too often. It's to be expected, so we prepare for it as if it's something to be attacked. I think it could be solved by limiting it to once every two years instead of every year, or even every three years.


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PostPosted: Nov 15 2010 09:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The-Excel wrote:
I think that the problem is that Christmas happens too often. It's to be expected, so we prepare for it as if it's something to be attacked. I think it could be solved by limiting it to once every two years instead of every year, or even every three years.

This is silly.

Also, I love gift certificates. Call me a shallow bastard, but nothing says "I love you" more than a gift card to Best Buy or Amazon. If I let someone else pick they'll go "Oh, he likes books" and I'll wind up with freaking Eat Pray Love because "It was on the bestseller list". "Oh, he likes movies" and I'll get a pack of DVDs I already own. "Oh, he likes video games", and I'll get something like Wii Sports Resort or some shit. Let me pick it myself. I'm a grown man. How is anyone going to pick out a 'thoughtful' gift for me. Unless they absolutely know what I want, I'd rather I pick it out myself.

I'm also never offended if I get nothing, though. I do think people go overboard with the gifts. I use to get like one toy as a kid and I was thrilled.


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Lady_Satine
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PostPosted: Nov 15 2010 09:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I generally ask for gift cards unless the person knows what I want. If I put out a list of what I specifically wanted, i might get duplicates, so gift cards cut that out.


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PostPosted: Nov 16 2010 12:00 am Reply with quote Back to top

I have no idea what I want for Christmas, so I'm never prepared when people ask me what I want. Instead, I'm like "Give me cash, I'll find something myself." Generally works. Better to see something I want and be able to get it then instead of getting something shitty and having to return it.


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Blackout
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PostPosted: Nov 16 2010 12:24 am Reply with quote Back to top

Since I rarely can afford to give gifts I don't mind at all not getting gifts, if I get to eat a nice dinner with family /friends I count myself lucky, I usually work every holiday.



 
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Rydog
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PostPosted: Nov 16 2010 01:22 am Reply with quote Back to top

The-Excel wrote:
I think that the problem is that Christmas happens too often. It's to be expected, so we prepare for it as if it's something to be attacked. I think it could be solved by limiting it to once every two years instead of every year, or even every three years.


Christmas is a birthday, it sort of needs to happen every year.
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Doddsino
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PostPosted: Nov 16 2010 01:42 am Reply with quote Back to top

While I can at least admit that Thanksgiving is a pretty stupidly placed holiday, it does have one of my longtime favorite holiday traditions of watching "Planes, Trains and Automobiles".

And remember the days before gift cards?
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PostPosted: Nov 16 2010 07:12 am Reply with quote Back to top

The only people that don't like the hype are people who don't like Christmas and don't have kids. I love Christmas and it's the natural thing to look forward to after Halloween. Thanksgiving is just a big dinner with family and not really a holiday to look forward to, so of course people are going to look ahead to Christmas.

And the commercialization is what makes Christmas fun and awesome to me as an Agnostic. Otherwise, it'd be just a boring Christian ritual where we all go to church on the 24th and light candles. Give me Santa Claus, Christmas Trees, excited children and crazy sales over religious ritual anyday.

And yeah, gift cards are awesome.
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PostPosted: Nov 16 2010 08:48 am Reply with quote Back to top

In my store, Christmas stuff goes on sale November first. I forgot there even was a thanksgiving, honestly.


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PostPosted: Nov 16 2010 08:55 am Reply with quote Back to top

I like to think of Santa clause like the power cosmic. In a time of need it finds suitable host body and imbued them with power. Jesus was probably the first example of this.

Christmas is a celebration of captain universe.


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Undeath
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PostPosted: Nov 16 2010 10:57 am Reply with quote Back to top

See, the thing is, I AM married, and I DO have kids (well, KID, until February) and I am extremely bothered by the whole deal. Thanksgiving is AOK with me because it's a family get-together with a big meal. It seems we actually do remember the spirit of Thanksgiving, but of course, they forget about this for Christmas.

My son will probably either love or hate the month of December, because it's Christmas AND his birthday. I think gift cards are OK if you have no clue what to buy for someone, but there's no reason someone close to you shouldn't get you something more personal. We all know people don't get shit they like (hence why it's hell to work retail December 26th, AKA Returns Day) but you're also losing a sentiment, "it's the thought that counts." OK, return it if you don't like it, but isn't Christmas also about thinking of others? You may have gotten a book you hate, but at least someone thought enough of you to know you love books and buy it for you.


Cracked.com wrote:
"MARGARINE IS ONE MOLECULE AWAY FROM PLASTIC."

Not only is that not right, that's not even wrong. It's a meaningless statement. Saying something is "one molecule away" from plastic is like saying a farm is one letter away from a fart. Water is "one molecule away" from being explosive hydrogen gas.

 
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PostPosted: Nov 16 2010 05:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Klimbatize wrote:
Also, I love gift certificates. Call me a shallow bastard, but nothing says "I love you" more than a gift card to Best Buy or Amazon. If I let someone else pick they'll go "Oh, he likes books" and I'll wind up with freaking Eat Pray Love because "It was on the bestseller list". "Oh, he likes movies" and I'll get a pack of DVDs I already own. "Oh, he likes video games", and I'll get something like Wii Sports Resort or some shit. Let me pick it myself. I'm a grown man. How is anyone going to pick out a 'thoughtful' gift for me. Unless they absolutely know what I want, I'd rather I pick it out myself.


This. So, so this. My greatest regrets are actually not GETTING gifts like that, but BUYING gifts like that before I discovered gift cards. Some people might find them impersonal, but it's a hell of a lot better than getting a crappy gift you didn't need or want.


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PostPosted: Nov 20 2010 02:12 am Reply with quote Back to top

Since the new Harry Potter movie is out and it fits the season, enjoy:

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