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Well, crap... I thought I was done with school. (Need help)


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Knyte
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2010 01:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

So, after talking with my boss's boss last week about wanting to move up in the company, I was told the best thing I could have would a BS degree. (Bachelor of Science degree, not a Bull Shit degree. I already have one of those.)

So, I have decided that I need to find an accredited online university that offers a BA in "Information Technology/Networking & Telecommunications". I don't have time to go to a Brick & Motor school, since I have a 50+ hour a week a job and a family. So, online seems the best option.

Anybody have any experience with any of the online universities such as Phoenix, DeVry, or the like?

Also, finances are an issue. I would probably have to apply for financial aid which I know nothing about. I paid my own way through community college. (Which I got a useless 2 year Associate's Degree in Criminal Justice from. Note to others if you want to get into Federal Law Enforcement: Go do a military tour. Then use your GI Bill to get a 4-YEAR degree.)
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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2010 01:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Remember that a BA does not equate to a BS. So, if you need a BS don't get a BA. Find out for sure what you actually are required to have.

Second, find out how much credit your current degree buys you. It should get you upwards of half of your credits towards a BS/BA.


Edit: What state do you live in?



 
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Natsu
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2010 01:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Many different majors can give you a Bachelor of Science, if you just need a BS, you can major in whatever is easiest for you to get that. It may be ideal to major in telecommunication if you work in that, but a major in Physics, Statistics, Math, computer science all could give you a BS. Maybe some of your other credits can roll over toward it from your Criminal Justice degree.
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UsaSatsui
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2010 01:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Private "for profit" universities like University of Phoenix are an absolute waste of money. You get "training", but a worthless degree, and they cost way too much money.

Online schooling through legitimate schools are legit and worthwhile, but be prepared to do a lot more work than you think, it's not just "spend 10 minutes online whipping through the class", and the instructor isn't as available as they would be in a classroom.
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Knyte
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2010 02:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I live in Oregon.

And, I was told, that in order to advance into the LAN Admin role I want, first I need to get a Bachelor's Degree. He didn't really point any one out. Just said to get one, and then get some certifications on top of it. Such as MCSE and VMWare Enterprise Certification.
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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2010 02:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Knyte wrote:
I live in Oregon.

And, I was told, that in order to advance into the LAN Admin role I want, first I need to get a Bachelor's Degree. He didn't really point any one out. Just said to get one, and then get some certifications on top of it. Such as MCSE and VMWare Enterprise Certification.

Just worth noting. If you can get away with a Comptia exam to meet your qualifications for certification, you should do it now and get it done before 2011. Comptia exams completed in 2010 remain "Lifetime certifications" while any after 2010 become expiring certifications with limited durations.

All Microsoft exams are expiring.

I would focus on the actual degree and get the certs after with the exception of 2010 Comptia certs.

Also have you looked into:
http://de.uoregon.edu/

2010-2011 In-state tuition and fees: $5,460;
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/eugene-or/university-of-oregon-3223



 
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Douche McCallister
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2010 05:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Fill out a FAFSA for financial aid. If you can't get grants from them, you can atleast get subsidized and unsubsidized loans.


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PostPosted: Oct 20 2010 05:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GP and Usa both speak wisely. Do not, repeat, do NOT spend money on those online (or mostly online) universities like Phoenix. They're in deep shit at the moment, and a lot of them stand to have their accreditation pulled in the next couple years. Like Usa says, if you're gonna do it, find an online program through a for-real legit college (preferably one in your area, since most online-only degree programs from a real school require at least one or two meetings a semester, from what I hear.)


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PostPosted: Oct 20 2010 10:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'd go through an online program through one of your regional schools before I'd search elsewhere. Going to DeVry or Phoenix is like going to JD Byrider for a car, except you probably won't be fucked as badly at DeVry as you would at JDB.

At least those cheap-ass online schools have a great song!



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PostPosted: Oct 21 2010 12:31 am Reply with quote Back to top

Does your work place have any program in place to pay for your education? My previous job paid 100% tuition and books, at the time I was taking online classes at a junior college. One thing I did notice is how easy it is to underestimate the amount of work and/or how easy it is to procrastinate with online classes and, at least for me personally, I found it really hard to stay motivated.

It just didn’t work for me in the end, and at the moment I am doing the part time job, full time school thing. Even though I only work 20 hours per week I still get a large portion of my expenses paid for by my job and fill the monetary gape with financial aid. Being in my last year of school, I am finding it to be harder and harder to do even 20 hours of work per week given the 30-40+ hours of homework per week. These last few quarters are project classes, which can easily turn into four times the work you plan for. I am amazed that my work place still puts up with me calling into my 20 hour a work week at least twice a month (in the last month I have called in once a week).

Edit: I was also completely mystified by Financial Aid, and that was a large part as to why I didn't attend school full time for many years, but it has definitely worked out well for me, of course you have to be careful. I have seen many cases in which people have completely screwed themselves over running up their FA.

One guy at my work accrued nearly 200,000 dollars worth of debt on his way to his doctorate and finally had to drop out and start working full time, given he has a pretty good job, that's a lot of money per month to pay. One fellow I used to know of, back when I lived in California was on his seventh year at UCSF on his undergrad before they finally gave him the boot, he had "other problems" though, and snorted most of his FA. And there are tons of people at my school that fail boat and fuck up in their classes quarter after quarter, adding more and more to their debt.

However it has proven to motivate me to put 110% into school given the knowledge that I will have to pay this money back. There are also scholarship too, I recently was accepted into a school in SF on scholarship called the Art Department/Massive Black. It costs 30,000 up front, 45,000 incremental, and offers no degree, something I wouldn't have the means to pay or the want to W/O scholarship. However, it is one of the best art schools for concept art illustration, so I am pretty excited =)
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Alowishus
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PostPosted: Oct 21 2010 06:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I don't know how applicable this is for the US but you can go to University part time over here and depending on the course the class times can be in the morning or evening - whatever suits you really.
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PostPosted: Oct 21 2010 06:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

They typically have night classes for adult students at most universities, the problem is the selection is limited and if you need a general education as part of your Bachelors Degree they don't usually offer to many in that aspect. I have taken 6 classes the past 4 semesters and it is definitely a lot of stress, thankfully I work 2nd shift otherwise I would have had to go Part-time and that would have equated to a 7 year bachelors degree as opposed to a 3 year one.

Definitely check for online classes though. I have taken a handful of them and depending on what they are you either do very little or a lot. I haven't found an inbetween in my experience. This MIS degree better fucking pay for itself. /End


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Knyte
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PostPosted: Oct 21 2010 11:03 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, my problem with going to classes, as opposed to online, is I work 40-50 hours a week, 06:30AM - 03:00PM MON - FRI, and then 2-3 weekends a months. I have a wife and two young kids, so having dad take evening classes would equate to kids never seeing dad during the week. Not to mention travel time and distance, as the closest University to me is Portland State Univ, which is about a 20-30 minute drive from where I live.
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UsaSatsui
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PostPosted: Oct 22 2010 09:28 am Reply with quote Back to top

Knyte wrote:
Not to mention travel time and distance, as the closest University to me is Portland State Univ, which is about a 20-30 minute drive from where I live.

C-c-check it out!

Don't expect it to take any less time than a normal class, though there is the advantage you can pick which chunk of time is wasted..
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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Oct 22 2010 09:36 am Reply with quote Back to top

Knyte wrote:
Yeah, my problem with going to classes, as opposed to online, is I work 40-50 hours a week, 06:30AM - 03:00PM MON - FRI, and then 2-3 weekends a months. I have a wife and two young kids, so having dad take evening classes would equate to kids never seeing dad during the week. Not to mention travel time and distance, as the closest University to me is Portland State Univ, which is about a 20-30 minute drive from where I live.

You should check out how the local collage does its online learning. They may offer their own, but beyond that, they may have affiliates that give you credit locally. If you had to go to the college once a week for 2-3 hours would it be worth it?



 
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PostPosted: Oct 23 2010 03:30 am Reply with quote Back to top

I also live in Portland and attended PCC and PSU. PCC (or Mt. Hood or another junior college) is a great way to cheaply get your associates if you still need lower level credits. It's important, as noted above, to figure out where your current level of schooling will place you. If you can place as a Junior then PSU is your best option. PSU has a lot of on-line courses and is really great about catering to non-traditional students who can't devote normal school hours to classes (lots of night courses, on-line and intensive courses). PSU has the largest enrollment in Oregon and the majority of those students are non-traditional and part-time students.

As for financial aid, apply early if you're going to do it. When you do your FAFSA, there is a set amount of grant money available and while it isn't first come first serve, once it runs out, it's out. Fill that shit out the day you get your W2s. The FAFSA will take into to consideration your dependents when determining if you qualify for grants, which, unless you or your partner is making significant money you should qualify. I managed to not just get my senior year paid for but I got a stipend, for free, of $1700 each quarter. And, of course, there are always those oddball scholarships. Maybe even check with your employer and see if they have a program in place to fund school for employees (many larger companies do).

As for a BA vs. a BS, I received a BS in History. History! It doesn't have to be one of those sciencey/mathy degrees if all you need is any BS.

Good luck.


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