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Government Seizes Newborn Babyover Parents Pol. Beliefs


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aeonic
Title: Sporadic Poster
Joined: Nov 19 2009
Location: Kissimmee, FL
PostPosted: Oct 08 2010 02:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

http://www.infowars.com/government-seizes-newborn-baby-over-political-beliefs-of-parents/

Just read it. Jesus Christ, it's like V for Vendetta time.


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TheThunderThief
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Location: Ditka's Moustache
PostPosted: Oct 08 2010 02:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Not saying it isn't legit or anything, but I tend to take shit from that site with a grain of salt, mostly because I think Alex Jones is a fucking kook.


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aeonic
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Location: Kissimmee, FL
PostPosted: Oct 08 2010 02:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm inclined to agree with you for the most part, Jones is a serious alarmist most of the time (although his Bohemian Grove investigation was remarkably well-done and informative), but the affadavit clearly indicates that one of the deciding factors is an erroneous link to the organization mentioned in the article. If that guy were a member of the NH Republican party or the Shriners instead, would it be included in there? Obviously, the guy's had legal trouble before, but it's still a very hinky situation.


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Ash Burton
Title: AshRaiser
Joined: Nov 10 2008
Location: Florida
PostPosted: Oct 08 2010 03:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Did they take the baby to a.....FEMA camp???


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aeonic
Title: Sporadic Poster
Joined: Nov 19 2009
Location: Kissimmee, FL
PostPosted: Oct 08 2010 04:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ash Burton wrote:
Did they take the baby to a.....FEMA camp???


I'm not implying that. My main problem with it is that they're indicating that the Oath Keepers are a militia (they aren't) and trying to intimate, in my personal read on the situation, that Mr. Irish is a prime example of a 'dangerous militia member'. I mean, taking into context the other things that the guy, Irish, seems to have done, he seems like a moron/bad parent, but this seems like a definite attempt at implicating a group of private citizens who happen to have a patriotic organization into this guy's malfeasance. Again, if he were a Tea Party member or a Deputy Firefighter instead of nominally linked to the Oath Keepers, would it have even warranted mention?


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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
Joined: May 25 2008
Location: Hiding
PostPosted: Oct 08 2010 08:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I like how they don't even bother to post the entire documents, just the one thing from an affidavit that supports their case and a change of venue order (which is mostly useless). We're not even sure who the affidavit is from, or even that it factored in the decision.

I also find it a little stupid how they block out the child's name in the body of the document but leave "RE:Cheyenne Irish" right there in the heading.

Anyways, I see how members of the group might get pissed off as being supposedly mislabeled, but that doesn't appear to be the reason they took the child. Just going by what they posted to try and make their point, I see several other good reasons to take this child: The mother is already in court to have the parental rights of her other two children terminated, the father has refused to follow a court order to attend a certain program, and the father has been arrested in the past. These do not sound like fit parents regardless of political association.
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Ash Burton
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PostPosted: Oct 08 2010 09:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I made a joke of this because this is a joke. My wife worked for DCF for 3 years as an investigator and by no means is it this easy to remove a child let alone a newborn. There are reasons not being disclosed which are very serious and that is why the child was taken. No one cares what group you belong to, but if you have the intent to harm your child, the state must remove to cover itself. The Federal government has NO say in child protection, it is a state run organization, so unless the governor is planning on turning that state into a socialist society, there is nothing to this story but nonsense.


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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
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PostPosted: Oct 08 2010 09:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ash Burton wrote:
I made a joke of this because this is a joke. My wife worked for DCF for 3 years as an investigator and by no means is it this easy to remove a child let alone a newborn. There are reasons not being disclosed which are very serious and that is why the child was taken. No one cares what group you belong to, but if you have the intent to harm your child, the state must remove to cover itself. The Federal government has NO say in child protection, it is a state run organization, so unless the governor is planning on turning that state into a socialist society, there is nothing to this story but nonsense.

New Hampshire, a socialist society?

Those guys don't even like to pave their roads.
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TheRoboSleuth
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PostPosted: Oct 08 2010 10:13 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Not having read the article, I would bet dollars to donuts that something less incendiary actually happened.


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Blackout
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PostPosted: Oct 09 2010 03:01 am Reply with quote Back to top

Remember when they took that lady's kid away because she was a member of the Church of the Subgenius?



 
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Ash Burton
Title: AshRaiser
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PostPosted: Oct 09 2010 07:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

They almost took my daughter because I had ties to Metal Church,,,


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Anthraxinsoup
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Joined: Sep 22 2010
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
PostPosted: Oct 09 2010 11:49 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I would hate for that, but if they did, I'd flip and kill everyone
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Blackout
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PostPosted: Oct 10 2010 02:20 am Reply with quote Back to top

If Alex Jones was right wouldn't they, I don't know, shut his website down or kill him for spreading the "truth"? Confused



 
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aeonic
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PostPosted: Oct 10 2010 04:43 am Reply with quote Back to top

I don't think, by a long shot, that in a lot of things Alex is right. He does just as much harm as good with a lot of his viewpoints as far as I'm concerned, but like any media outlet with a dubious political agenda (re: CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, network channels, etc) you can occasionally find a kernel of something interesting/real on his site.


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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
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PostPosted: Oct 10 2010 09:37 am Reply with quote Back to top

aeonic wrote:
I don't think, by a long shot, that in a lot of things Alex is right. He does just as much harm as good with a lot of his viewpoints as far as I'm concerned, but like any media outlet with a dubious political agenda (re: CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, network channels, etc) you can occasionally find a kernel of something interesting/real on his site.

See, this is the problem. I don't want a kernel of truth. I want the whole truth.

I can take any fact, strip away 90% of it, present it, and use it to support something entirely the opposite. I can take something completely irrelevant, strip away the context, and present it as if it means something. It's "truth" in the same way that bugs are "food"...sure, you can swallow it if you want to, or need to, but upon closer examination you just want to gag.

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JRA
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PostPosted: Oct 13 2010 12:44 am Reply with quote Back to top

Alex Jones can suck Rosie O'Donnell's fat, barely wiped, mudbutt asshole. The guy is a raving lunatic who is the most full of shit person on the planet.

How do I know he's full of shit? BECAUSE HE'S STILL ALIVE!


There are a lot of what if's in life Donny. What if I hit you really hard in the face, knocked yo shit to the back of yo skull? What if I....had you girl gargle my nuts? The fact remains, you are a fuckin mutant.
 
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