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Haddox
Flying Hellfish
Title: Pirate
Joined: May 11 2006
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Science and religion have long been at odds, but how come science and homosexuality seem to get along fine? Gay people are, for lack of a better term, "biologically useless". Shouldn't science, then, oppose them?
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aeonic
Title: Sporadic Poster
Joined: Nov 19 2009
Location: Kissimmee, FL
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How so? True, they can't reproduce in a conventional sense, but they do use surrogates or get impregnated via someone else's sperm (depending on gay or lesbian). Personally, I think it's damn useful that a lot of them are willing to adopt and be great parents to kids born to heterosexuals who are total shitbag losers. Everyone wins.
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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
Joined: May 25 2008
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Society in general works against evolution. Natural selection is survival of the fittest. Civilization is survival of the whole.
Therefore, civilization works against science.
Which is the main reason you need to get to democracy, set the science rate to 100%, and hire a fuckton of scientists.
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Rogue Hippo
Title: Lone Wolf Hippo
Joined: Jun 28 2010
Location: America's Wang
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There are numerous species that only live in zoos or labs but are extinct in the natural world. You could easily argue that survival-of-the-fittest has proven these species to be useless and science should welcome their extinction. Yet scientists work very hard to protect them, breed them and reintroduce them into the wild.
I think the role of science is to study and understand everything around them... even the "useless".
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Syd Lexia
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Title: Pop Culture Junkie
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Rogue Hippo makes a fantastic point.
Usa, you need to have taxes or your society will crumble. Your granaries will fall into disrepair and everyone will starve.
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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| Usa, you need to have taxes or your society will crumble. Your granaries will fall into disrepair and everyone will starve. |
You use your science to create a kickass military that extorts gold from other nations as tribute (or "gifts"), and pay for your stuff with that.
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Syd Lexia
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But with no revenue coming in, you will crank out miltary units at a snail's pace.
Go with despotism, militarize, and bully science out of other countries.
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JRA
Joined: Sep 17 2007
Location: The Opium Trail
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I used to have a fuckbuddy and I used to tease her that I would bust so many nuts in and on her that lesbians would approach her for test tube specimens.
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There are a lot of what if's in life Donny. What if I hit you really hard in the face, knocked yo shit to the back of yo skull? What if I....had you girl gargle my nuts? The fact remains, you are a fuckin mutant. |
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Pandajuice
Title: The Power of Grayskull
Joined: Oct 30 2008
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| JRA wrote: |
| I used to have a fuckbuddy and I used to tease her that I would bust so many nuts in and on her that lesbians would approach her for test tube specimens. |
You're a classy guy.
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Dr. Jeebus
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Title: SLF Harbinger of Death
Joined: Sep 03 2005
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| UsaSatsui wrote: |
Society in general works against evolution. Natural selection is survival of the fittest. Civilization is survival of the whole.
Therefore, civilization works against science.
Which is the main reason you need to get to democracy, set the science rate to 100%, and hire a fuckton of scientists. |
That's civilization working against nature, not against science.
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TheRoboSleuth
Title: Sleuth Mark IV
Joined: Aug 08 2006
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Its really a situation of "civilization against individual survivability in a naturally occurring environment", and more the result of religious and moral standards against eugenic policies, a sage decision considering the ramifications of the alternatives.
Also, homosexuals seemed to exist before the popularization of science, and science does not directly benefit from the mass elimination of non reproductive entities.
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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
Joined: May 25 2008
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| Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
| UsaSatsui wrote: |
Society in general works against evolution. Natural selection is survival of the fittest. Civilization is survival of the whole.
Therefore, civilization works against science.
Which is the main reason you need to get to democracy, set the science rate to 100%, and hire a fuckton of scientists. |
That's civilization working against nature, not against science. |
Science is the study of the natural world.
And Syd, fanaticism is the way to go if you want to militarize.
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Syd Lexia
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They don't have Fanatacism in any Civilization I've ever played.
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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| They don't have Fanatacism in any Civilization I've ever played. |
Civ II. Features: You have no unhappiness, happiness-producing improvements like temples produce money (and cost no upkeep), you can make Fanatic units which never require support, and all science research is halved.
The best part: You can plant a nuclear device in a city without the entire world declaring war on you, since you're a terrorist nutjob and people expect it of you. 
EDIT: I just now realized the government I was thinking of is Fundamentalism. My bad.
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JRA
Joined: Sep 17 2007
Location: The Opium Trail
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| Pandajuice wrote: |
| JRA wrote: |
| I used to have a fuckbuddy and I used to tease her that I would bust so many nuts in and on her that lesbians would approach her for test tube specimens. |
You're a classy guy. |
Well, she thought it was funny. 
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Natsu
Joined: Sep 17 2010
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I know this may not be the best starting post. I've been lurking here a bit, and on this topic. I think the issue he is raising is that science supports the theory of evolution but it seems the significant percentage and persistence of homosexuals numbers run contrary to what one would expect if evolution were true.
However, as expected this issue has been addressed by the scientific community with the consensus generally being that homosexuals served many familial benefits, and the construction and maintaining of a family increases the odds of reproduction and survival.
Families with close homosexual relatives likely have a set of recessive homosexual genes themselves, and those same families are more likely to survive due to help. For example, a homosexual guy could be helping their brother's family by watching over the kids, and collecting resources; since they have no kids of their own there is more food to go around, and thus those families are more likely to survive and continue the passing on of the homosexual genes.
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Drew Linky
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Joined: Jun 12 2009
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Welcome, Natsu. And I agree with Rogue Hippo.
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Alowishus
Joined: Aug 04 2009
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| UsaSatsui wrote: |
| Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
| UsaSatsui wrote: |
Society in general works against evolution. Natural selection is survival of the fittest. Civilization is survival of the whole.
Therefore, civilization works against science.
Which is the main reason you need to get to democracy, set the science rate to 100%, and hire a fuckton of scientists. |
That's civilization working against nature, not against science. |
Science is the study of the natural world.
And Syd, fanaticism is the way to go if you want to militarize. |
That is debatable.
Natural Science obviously studies the natural world, however social science deals solely with human society.
Considering that subjects like anthropology, human geography etc. are social sciences it can then be said that science does in fact study homosexuality.
Anthropology is a good example since it's essentially the study of culture.
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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
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| Alowishus wrote: |
| UsaSatsui wrote: |
| Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
| UsaSatsui wrote: |
Society in general works against evolution. Natural selection is survival of the fittest. Civilization is survival of the whole.
Therefore, civilization works against science.
Which is the main reason you need to get to democracy, set the science rate to 100%, and hire a fuckton of scientists. |
That's civilization working against nature, not against science. |
Science is the study of the natural world.
And Syd, fanaticism is the way to go if you want to militarize. |
That is debatable.
Natural Science obviously studies the natural world, however social science deals solely with human society.
Considering that subjects like anthropology, human geography etc. are social sciences it can then be said that science does in fact study homosexuality.
Anthropology is a good example since it's essentially the study of culture. |
Yeah, when I said "science", I was thinking "natural science".
And I don't see why you're arguing against me, I never said that the study of homosexuality was outside the purview of scientific research. In fact, I probably would consider it a natural science as well as a social one.
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Alowishus
Joined: Aug 04 2009
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| UsaSatsui wrote: |
| Alowishus wrote: |
| UsaSatsui wrote: |
| Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
| UsaSatsui wrote: |
Society in general works against evolution. Natural selection is survival of the fittest. Civilization is survival of the whole.
Therefore, civilization works against science.
Which is the main reason you need to get to democracy, set the science rate to 100%, and hire a fuckton of scientists. |
That's civilization working against nature, not against science. |
Science is the study of the natural world.
And Syd, fanaticism is the way to go if you want to militarize. |
That is debatable.
Natural Science obviously studies the natural world, however social science deals solely with human society.
Considering that subjects like anthropology, human geography etc. are social sciences it can then be said that science does in fact study homosexuality.
Anthropology is a good example since it's essentially the study of culture. |
Yeah, when I said "science", I was thinking "natural science".
And I don't see why you're arguing against me, I never said that the study of homosexuality was outside the purview of scientific research. In fact, I probably would consider it a natural science as well as a social one. |
I'm not arguing with you at all, i am merely saying that social science would be more relevant. Though now that you mentioned it suppose natural and applied science are relevant. Especially since evolutionary biology and medicine make up those fields.
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Syd Lexia
Site Admin
Title: Pop Culture Junkie
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| Natsu wrote: |
However, as expected this issue has been addressed by the scientific community with the consensus generally being that homosexuals served many familial benefits, and the construction and maintaining of a family increases the odds of reproduction and survival.
Families with close homosexual relatives likely have a set of recessive homosexual genes themselves, and those same families are more likely to survive due to help. For example, a homosexual guy could be helping their brother's family by watching over the kids, and collecting resources; since they have no kids of their own there is more food to go around, and thus those families are more likely to survive and continue the passing on of the homosexual genes. |
That's pretty cool.
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