When I get back to California in 10 days, the very first thing I need to do is purchase a new computer seeing as the one that is there waiting for me is 8+ years old at this point and fairly useless.
So, my question to you far more experienced people is this: Where is the best place/store to purchase a new computer these days?
Since I've been out of the country for almost 6 years, I have no idea anymore what American stores sell PCs and which ones are better than others. The last time I bought a PC, it was at Circuit City and I was very satisfied and would shop there again, but alas, they have gone completely out of business.
Also, please don't tell me to build my own because I have neither the know-how or patience to do that. I just want to get a nice, mid-top range, already built and working PC.
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Jul 27 2010 08:35 am
Even if you don't build one, you will get a better computer for far less if you buy online. The mark up at Best Buy and other places is just too much for me to buy at real store.
I would just compare prices at Newegg.com to what you would get at Best Buy. If you can find a good deal, go for it, but at least you'll see how much you can save by going online.
I got a really good deal on a Dell through their website but I out grew it in about 16 months.
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GPFontaine
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Jul 27 2010 08:37 am
Lets start with some simple questions.
Mac or PC?
Laptop or Desktop?
Do you plan to play video games on it?
Do you plan to do web conferencing with it?
What are the primary applications that you plan to use?
With these answers you should be able to get some pretty detailed responses with suggestions.
Pretty much the best prices you'll fine outside of DELL/HP, and unlike those two, these PCs are built with all mainstream parts, which makes future upgrades far easier and cheaper.
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Jul 27 2010 10:07 am
GPFontaine wrote:
Lets start with some simple questions.
Mac or PC?
Laptop or Desktop?
Do you plan to play video games on it?
Do you plan to do web conferencing with it?
What are the primary applications that you plan to use?
With these answers you should be able to get some pretty detailed responses with suggestions.
PC
Desktop
Of course
Web conferencing? I doubt it
It'll be an everything kind of PC running all sorts of applications from web browser to video games.
I wanted to avoid buying online because I didn't really fancy waiting computer-less up to a week or more for UPS to drop it off. I did want something that I could use right away upon landing in California which is why I asked for recommendations on physical stores that I could buy a computer from immediately, but I will check online obviously and if there is a great deal, I'll go for that.
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Jul 27 2010 10:20 am
You picked a pretty shitty time to come back. I got a great deal on a laptop at Best Buy, but it was the beginning of the Christmas shopping season so it was $400 marked from from about $650. I'm really happy with it and as I hear Best Buy has great customer service, though I haven't needed it, but the fact that they were able to chop off over a third of the sticker price is a testament to just how much of a markup they have. I don't like buying things online if I can avoid it, but you're probably going to actually need a sale if you want to get a decent deal at a mass market store like that.
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Jul 27 2010 10:29 am
Pandajuice wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
Lets start with some simple questions.
Mac or PC?
Laptop or Desktop?
Do you plan to play video games on it?
Do you plan to do web conferencing with it?
What are the primary applications that you plan to use?
With these answers you should be able to get some pretty detailed responses with suggestions.
PC
Desktop
Of course
Web conferencing? I doubt it
It'll be an everything kind of PC running all sorts of applications from web browser to video games.
I wanted to avoid buying online because I didn't really fancy waiting computer-less up to a week or more for UPS to drop it off. I did want something that I could use right away upon landing in California which is why I asked for recommendations on physical stores that I could buy a computer from immediately, but I will check online obviously and if there is a great deal, I'll go for that.
Key specs:
Processor: Get an i7
RAM: 4GB minimum
OS: Windows 7 x64. You pick the version based on need.
Hard Disk: 500GB Minimum
Video Card: Radeon HD 5000 series. Either 57xx or 58xx. There is a huge cost gap between the highest and lowest, but all of them are good cards. Modern games will run best on the higher models.
These do not include a monitor. I did that on purpose. You should buy that separately and consider separate factors.
I need to point this out because you should know it. The $1600 system can be built for about $1100 if you do it yourself. I understand you do not want to, but now you know the markup and how good of a deal you are getting.
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Jul 27 2010 10:47 am
Why are you pushing an overpriced i7 on him?
My AMD BE 965 can hold its own against 920s and 930s, even overclocked.
Try looking at whatever Frys is closest to you, if you want to buy in store. You're going to find far better prices there then at Best Buy.
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Jul 27 2010 11:00 am
Knyte wrote:
Why are you pushing an overpriced i7 on him?
My AMD BE 965 can hold its own against 920s and 930s, even overclocked.
Try looking at whatever Frys is closest to you, if you want to buy in store. You're going to find far better prices there then at Best Buy.
I always forget about Frys because we don't have them here on the East Coast.
As for AMD vs Intel, there is no significant reason other than familiarity. I like both brands equally, but feel confident in saying that AMD lagged behind for a solid two years. The 965 is a good processor and absolutely equivalent to the lower end i7's especially given the price point.
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Jul 27 2010 11:32 am
Ah yeah, there is a huge Fry's superstore about 20 minutes from where I'll be moving to, so that's definitely an option. I'd forgotten about Fry's. What AMD processors are equivalent to the i7? And does AMD do the quad cores thing or is that just Intel?
Thanks for the recommendations guys. I am aware that there is a markup when shopping at a store, and I would build the system myself if I knew how to. Taking on a project like that is daunting for someone who doesn't quite know where to begin when starting from scratch. I will indeed need a monitor as well which sucks because I'm leaving behind a really nice TFT one that I wish I could take with me.
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Jul 27 2010 11:34 am
Give me a price range and I'll see what I can do for you within the specifications you've provided.
The best 4-cores from AMD are the Phenom II 955 ($160) and 965 ($180), or you can get 6-core Phenom II 1055T ($200) or the cream of AMD's crop, the 1090T. ($300)
The only 6-core intels avaliable are the i7 970 ($900) or the i7 980X ($1000)
What will really blow your mind in that pricing gap is that the AMD 1090T 6-core is the exact same speed as the i7 970! ($300 vs $900) And, even though the 970 will beat the 1090T in most tests, it only does it by a small margin. (1% - 10%) Not the 300%, that the price difference would suggest.
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Jul 27 2010 04:33 pm
Just to keep myself from making another computer thread, if anyone wants to give some advice on a new but broken down desktop send me a PM
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Jul 27 2010 04:36 pm
I just keep updating my dell 2400 with new graphics cards and ram, although I think I've pushed it about as far as it can go, the processor hates running Oblivion, crashes like an hour in to it so I have to save a lot.
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Jul 27 2010 10:02 pm
Fry's is good but woot.com has some relatively decent deals sometime. If u don't mind waiting on the shipping and handling.
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Jul 28 2010 12:26 am
He doesn't want to order online, he wants to walk into a store and walk out with a PC. Since, he is in Cali, Frys is his best choice.
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Jul 28 2010 12:29 am
Quote:
Also, please don't tell me to build my own because I have neither the know-how or patience to do that. I just want to get a nice, mid-top range, already built and working PC.
I'd look into finding a friend who can and paying the 50 dollars to do it, it'd be worth, and tell them part of the 50 dollars is helping you pick out and order the parts. Given that you can succeed in doing that (which i think you can) here are my specific tips for buying the parts in building your own computer.
I would recommend building your own computer, it's really easy and can be a fun learning experience, there are online guides for it if you need help, or i'm sure a school mate or someone you know can help you.
For Most users:
Re-use whatever you can from your last computer, speakers, headphones, keybaord monitor etc.. maybe dvd drive.
Money saving tip with still getting a nice computer:
Just buy 1 Dual Layer DVD burner, and have that as your only rom drive. To copy information to one disc to another, simpler copy the image onto the computer, and then from the computer to the other disc, this is a more stable way to transfer the info anyway as opposed to disc to disc.
Spend most your money on Graphics Card, Processor, and motherboard. Don't worry about a super fancy case, power supply, and don't waste your money on overclocking ram and all that BS. I'd go for moderately priced name brand ram (earlier i recommended cheap ram, people said was idea since they've seen cheap/bad ram kill a system, and i've seen bad ram kill other ram).
I'd probably go quad core, if you want to go cheap you can look at dual core.
Obviously go PCI Express for your graphics card.
Don't feel the need to get a terrabyte of Hard Drive space.. you can probably get 500 gig for like 50ish bucks. I'd do that.
Perks to have:
Nice to have front ports for headsets, and front ports for USB sticks.. This will need to be supported on the Motherboard, and Case.
Firewire port (if you need it) and SD card ports (if you need them).
You can probably get all the hardware and have a solid computer (including buying a brand new say 19inch screen LCD)
All for 750 dollars. I'd recommend using Ebay, Craigslist, Tigerdirect, but mostly Newegg.com for your hardware needs.
Software Tips:
Schools can offer you great discounts on Operating systems such as vista, if you have friend going into some sort of computer science they might even be able to get it for free. (Linux is also an option)
Open Office is a nice substitute for Microsoft Office, and is compatible in opening Microsoft office's files.
Firewall: Zone Alarm Free edition
Antivirus I'd go: AVG Free
Spyware/roots: SuperAntiSpyware and Spybot Search and Destroy
Malware: Malwarebyte
System Optimizer: CCleaner
Edit: IF you posted your part list here, i'd even look in there to make sure everthings compatible, and that you have all the neccessary pieces, i might not shop around for you, but i'd do that much.
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Knyte
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Jul 28 2010 12:49 am
Most important tip: Don't listen to Snow.
1. DVD Burners are not expensive, you can buy name brands for $25. Though, Snow is right in that one is all you need. Then buy a BluRay down the line.
2. I'm not sure how cheap Snow expects you to go, when Quad Core CPUs start at $75.
3. Make sure you get good RAM and a PSU. A cheap PSU will kill an entire system. I've seen it many a time. Buy a name brand PSU with good reviews. You would be looking at around $75+. Do not buy a $20 PSU, you will regret it. Also, cheap RAM will die. Maybe not in a week, maybe not in a month, but it will be the first thing to give out. Get name brand with a lifetime warranty. (Mushkin, G.SKill, Corsair, Kingston, etc.)
4. You really don't have a choice to go with anything other than a PCI-Express port. It's been the standard for the last 5 graphic card generations. I don't even think you can buy any motherboards with the latest sockets with AGP or anything else. Saying this, is like telling someone to make sure they buy a car that's runs off unleaded and not leaded gasoline.
5. Sure, you can buy a 500 GB Hard Drive for $50, but then again, you can buy a 1 TB drive for $70, or a 1.5 TB for $90.
JonSnow
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Jul 28 2010 02:05 am
If I say anything outdated feel free to correct me knyte, i've worked on a good number of computers and built 2 with friends, I know a good amount.
I expect bulk of cost to go into the quad core motherboard, processors, and graphics card (for these biggest thing is having a high on board dedicated ram, mine 512mb, i'm guessing 1gig is the new standard).
For me on the ram... I bought Ram, I bought really nice Ram designed for overclocking systems, and i was dissappointed in that. Because i found no need to ever overclock, and i paid for probably a little more quality and extra heat sink.
I do know of good brands, i recognize all the ones Knyte recommended. I would find a moderately priced name brand ram. I would avoid overclocking nonsense, most users will not need it or use it.
On The hard drive just think about how much you use.. a massive hard drive that you don't use is just a waste of money. I have never used 500 gigs of space maybe you will.
I haven't built a computer in 5 years though when I did it was when AGP was dying out... I've kept myself on the major updates, and noticed price changes, as i personally have thought about buying a new computer. A friend recently did, he got his for 570 dollars. a quad-core.. But he didn't over accessorize i liked the approach. (he didn't need to buy a monitor so that saved him a good 200 dollars) he already had a 22inch... That's another thing i'd recommend 19 to 22 inches is good for a screen. Wide screen if you want to watch movies might be preferable. For games depends on the game.
Edit:
One last perk to go for... either a PCI card slot or a USB based wireless lan adaptor for the desk top. I've had great success just using the USB based one.. all you do is plug it in where one of your USB slot are, and it'll allow you to have wireless internet access on your desktop (you'll also have a cord lenght of maneuvering to find a good signal strength location). That's a detail people miss, wireless is a good option to have.
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Pandajuice
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Jul 28 2010 06:47 am
I appreciate the advice guys, but building it myself really is out of the question. That is, unless you all want to basically walk me through the process, part by part, screw by screw. I know a bit about computer hardware, but not enough I think to be able to get all the most compatible parts by myself and to get them to work together inside the case. For instance, I wouldn't know what fans to get and where the best place to mount them would be, I don't understand the differences between RAM (DDR/DDR+?), I'm not sure why a RAID setup for the HDD is a good thing nor how to achieve it, etc.
I feel like it would take me a week to research, and get it all put together properly and since I want the PC asap, that's not really something I'm willing to tackle immediately upon moving across the Atlantic. It definitely is something I'd like to try at some point though.
If you guys had to recommend a particular brand that can be found in stores, what would you recommend?
GPFontaine
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Jul 28 2010 09:02 am
Snow, please stop. Your posts have good intentions, but your information isn't accurate. As stated by Knyte, a cheap PSU can kill the entire system. I have seen it happen several times and that is at terrible way to lose your entire investment.
Pandajuice wrote:
I appreciate the advice guys, but building it myself really is out of the question. That is, unless you all want to basically walk me through the process, part by part, screw by screw. I know a bit about computer hardware, but not enough I think to be able to get all the most compatible parts by myself and to get them to work together inside the case. For instance, I wouldn't know what fans to get and where the best place to mount them would be, I don't understand the differences between RAM (DDR/DDR+?), I'm not sure why a RAID setup for the HDD is a good thing nor how to achieve it, etc.
I gathered this from your initial posts. I think it would be a fun experiment to walk you through, but completely understand why it isn't a valid option just for our own amusement.
Pandajuice wrote:
I feel like it would take me a week to research, and get it all put together properly and since I want the PC asap, that's not really something I'm willing to tackle immediately upon moving across the Atlantic. It definitely is something I'd like to try at some point though.
When and if you are ready, let us know and we can at least help point you in the correct direction.
Worth your time is watching this video. The parts are a little out of date, but not by much. The techniques are however still appropriate to modern hardware:
Pandajuice wrote:
If you guys had to recommend a particular brand that can be found in stores, what would you recommend?
For Desktop Towers:
Personally here are the brands I would look for in a store:
Acer, Asus
Brands I wouldn't avoid but wouldn't be my first choice in a store:
Dell, Gateway
Brands that I wouldn't personally purchase in a store:
HP, Lenovo
Buying off of websites and web stores really changes things. I am being very specific to an in store purchase.
For example, I am more comfortable with Dell as an Online vendor, and less comfortable with Gateway. On the other hand, Asus remains on top and Acer wouldn't be my top choice. It all has to do with the parts that the put in their machines, the service they offer, and the bundled packages. Once again, this is specific to desktop towers only, not peripherals, all in ones, or laptops.
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Jul 28 2010 10:06 am
Personally, I think I prefer Lenovo over Dell. Dell using lots of prepriatary hardware that can't be upgraded, whereas Lenovo systems are usually all standard parts. So, later self-upgrades are easy.
The problem with Dell is that they use thier own motherboards and power supplies that are not standard. You can add RAM on your own. You can add in cards. (Sometimes. I have an Optiplex at home that work gave me to use, and the mother board is completely blank of card slots except for a single PCI slot at the bottom. It is crazy. No PCI-E or anything. The traces on the motherboard are there, just the sockets themselves are missing.) You can add drives. But, once the socket that the mobo supports is past it's prime, there is no upgrading it. A standard motherboard will not work in Dell's case. The PSU will not work with it. Hell, the front panel connectors (Power button, etc.) won't work with it.
Dell is cheaper. They give decent support. But, they are better for people who just want a computer for internet browsing and sending e-mails. Great for grandma who wants to see pictures of the family. Not good for someone who wants to game on it, and stay current on hardware.
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Jul 28 2010 10:43 am
Knyte wrote:
Personally, I think I prefer Lenovo over Dell. Dell using lots of prepriatary hardware that can't be upgraded, whereas Lenovo systems are usually all standard parts. So, later self-upgrades are easy.
The problem with Dell is that they use thier own motherboards and power supplies that are not standard. You can add RAM on your own. You can add in cards. (Sometimes. I have an Optiplex at home that work gave me to use, and the mother board is completely blank of card slots except for a single PCI slot at the bottom. It is crazy. No PCI-E or anything. The traces on the motherboard are there, just the sockets themselves are missing.) You can add drives. But, once the socket that the mobo supports is past it's prime, there is no upgrading it. A standard motherboard will not work in Dell's case. The PSU will not work with it. Hell, the front panel connectors (Power button, etc.) won't work with it.
Dell is cheaper. They give decent support. But, they are better for people who just want a computer for internet browsing and sending e-mails. Great for grandma who wants to see pictures of the family. Not good for someone who wants to game on it, and stay current on hardware.
In Dell's defense, the Optiplex line is specifically designed that way for quicker servicing and sustainability. They are specific to a large business's focus on ROI.
As for proprietary parts, I have about 100 lenovo machines of various types around me right now and every single model has proprietary PSUs and Mobos. HP, Lenovo, and Dell all do it. Gateway used to, I don't know if they still do. For someone buying a premade machine in a store, ASUS and Acer are the only brands that really allow you to avoid this type of thing.
My choice of Dell as an online vendor is due to their service being ultimately functional. It is still a pain, but the end result with them is usually better than the end result with the other vendors. HP is by far the worst to deal with.. If you can even find a number.
In store purchases don't really have this type of issue because the store deals with you for the initial purchase period and for any extended warranty.
Knyte
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Jul 28 2010 10:55 am
This is true, regarding in store coverage of systems.
The last Lenovo I had come through, was a standard mATX system. I swapped out the dead mobo with a new MSI one, swapped the chip and RAM, and sent it right back out the door. I was pretty impressed.
So, maybe it is a newer trend for Lenovo. Though the system was at least a few years old, as it was a LGA775 with a dual core Pentium in it.
Pandajuice
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Jul 28 2010 11:40 am
I'm just looking at the Fry's website and they don't seem to have much in the way of Acer or Asus PCs, but have some nice Gateways and Lenovos. Here are some I found at the top end of my price range; what do you guys think?