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Posted: Jun 07 2010 04:43 pm

Dawn of Souls is too easy. It's like playing Mystic Quest. Now, I'm not saying that every RPG should be a mega grindfest, but you should have to do SOME grinding. I don't think I had to grind once when I played the DoS version of FF1. I ran through the 75% of the game with absolutely no effort, and then quit because I was so disgusted with it. Grinding may not be the most fun thing ever, but it's better than a game where you just mash away to victory.

Joined: Feb 16 2010 Posts: 130

Syd Lexia wrote:

Ugh, Dawn of Souls is SO BAD.

I still need to crack open Ys Book I & II. I have high hopes for it.

I like the style revamp and it was long enough to be my only GBA game for quite some time.

And you really do need to get started on Ys, especially given your affinity towards Crystalis. It has a pretty similar feel, and it's even better than Crystalis imo.

Posted: Jun 07 2010 05:22 pm

I can't consider a game like Paper Mario an RPG. Just can't...

Title: Kenka Bancho Joined: May 05 2010 Posts: 227

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I can't consider a game like Paper Mario an RPG. Just can't...

I've tried to play those games so many times and could never get into them. The theme and systems are nice at first, but grow stale and gimmicky very quickly.

Posted: Jun 07 2010 09:06 pm

Good to see some Dragon Warrior III fans here. That was my favorite RPG for a long time.

It's really friggin' hard trying to come up with a top ten, as there's a ton of RPGs that I like, but here goes:

1.Parasite Eve
2.Dragon Warrior III (GBC version)
3.Fallout 3
4.Oblivion
5.Final Fantasy Legend
6.Final Fantasy X
7.Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance
8.Sweet Home
9.Ultima: Quest of the Avatar
10.The World Ends With You

Also, if I were allowed an extended list, it would go something like this:
11.Earthbound
12.Magic of Scheherazade
13.Pokemon Gold
14.Castlevania II
15.Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
16.Chrono Trigger
17.Xenogears
18.Phantasy Star 3
19.Super Mario RPG
20.Parasite Eve 2
21.The Bard's Tale
22.Faxanadu

...looking at this list makes me realize how much time I've invested into RPGs.

Also, I consider River City Ransom to be more of an action game with RPG-related elements more than an RPG.

Joined: May 24 2010 Location: Detroit, Michigan Posts: 91

Top 25:
1. Grandia II
2. Final Fantasy VII
3. Deus Ex
4. Chrono Trigger
5. Grandia
6. Final Fantasy IV
7. Kingdom Hearts
8. Mass Effect
9. Diablo II
10. Skies Of Arcadia
11. System Shock 2
12. Shadownrun (SNES)
13. Secret Of Mana
14. Kingdom Hearts 2
15. Earthbound
16. Soul Blazer
17. Suikoden II
18. Xenogears
19. Secret Of Evermore
20. Star Wars: Knights Of The Old Republic
21 Mass Effect 2
22. Fallout 3
23. The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind
24. Suikoden III
25. Crystalis

Posted: Jun 09 2010 09:39 pm

Castlevania SotN, Breath of Fire 3 and 5, Shin Megami Tensei Lucifers Call, Valkyrie Profile Silmeria, Suikoden, FF 7, Pokemon Fire Red, Legend of Mana, Brave Fencer Musashi, FF 10 (somehow...) and many other titles i appearently can't think of right now...

Posted: Jun 10 2010 02:22 am

i'll_bite_your_ear wrote:

Castlevania SotN, Breath of Fire 3 and 5, Shin Megami Tensei Lucifers Call, Valkyrie Profile Silmeria, Suikoden, FF 7, Pokemon Fire Red, Legend of Mana, Brave Fencer Musashi, FF 10 (somehow...) and many other titles i appearently can't think of right now...

How was Breath of Fire 3 compared to 1 and 2? I haven't played 3.

Posted: Jun 10 2010 03:08 am

Top 5

1: Mass Effect
2: Oblivion
3: Earthbound
4: Super Mario RPG
5:Phantasy Star Online Ep: 1 & 2

Posted: Jun 10 2010 07:00 am

slapolakinkaido wrote:

i'll_bite_your_ear wrote:

Castlevania SotN, Breath of Fire 3 and 5, Shin Megami Tensei Lucifers Call, Valkyrie Profile Silmeria, Suikoden, FF 7, Pokemon Fire Red, Legend of Mana, Brave Fencer Musashi, FF 10 (somehow...) and many other titles i appearently can't think of right now...

How was Breath of Fire 3 compared to 1 and 2? I haven't played 3.

the vital elements are similiar to bof 1 and 2, even the graphics aren't to far from the predecessors. its bigger in a way, there are many cool sidequests like a whole fairy town you are able to build up and a uniqe master-student system for the main character, where you have to find a couple of different master to learn from them your magic and other attacks. it has frustrating moments like a giant desert you must navigate yourself through with... well mostly with your imagination. But overall, the game rocks like hell. It was very well made, remembering the last dungeon really brings me back the mood i had while i was playing it. Oh, and it got different Endings... two diffrent Endings i think. And the maincharacter is able to turn on the Super Saiyan Mode when you transform into the secret Kaiser Dragon (he gets golden hair and stuff).

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eatpork wrote:

Top 25:
1. Grandia II
2. Final Fantasy VII
3. Deus Ex
4. Chrono Trigger
5. Grandia
6. Final Fantasy IV
7. Kingdom Hearts
8. Mass Effect
9. Diablo II
10. Skies Of Arcadia
11. System Shock 2
12. Shadownrun (SNES)
13. Secret Of Mana
14. Kingdom Hearts 2
15. Earthbound
16. Soul Blazer
17. Suikoden II
18. Xenogears
19. Secret Of Evermore
20. Star Wars: Knights Of The Old Republic
21 Mass Effect 2
22. Fallout 3
23. The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind
24. Suikoden III
25. Crystalis

I really dig your RPG tastes. That would basically be my list as well. It's kind of sad to see so much hate for FF7 these days, but I can see why people got exhausted of it. That, and Skies of Arcadia is one of the most underappreciated RPG's I've ever played.

Posted: Jun 11 2010 12:01 pm

1. Suikoden
2. Neverwinter Nights
3. Final Fantasy IV
4. Chrono Trigger
5. Fallout
6. Final Fantasy VI
7. Death Knights Of Krynn
8. Fallout 2
9. Dragon Age
10. Uncharted Waters 2: New Horizons

Posted: Jun 11 2010 12:20 pm

I keep seeing Castlevania SOTN on here, come on people, it is an Action-Platformer with RPG elements, it does not stand as an RPG on it's own.

Great game nonetheless.

Posted: Jun 11 2010 01:13 pm

That holds for a few games listed here:
Diablo II
Deus Ex
Mass Effect

They all contain RPG elements true, but they also are more action based.

Diablo was more of a hack and slash action game then RPG. (ARPG)

Deus Ex was more of a FPS then a RPG. (FPARPG)

And Mass Effect is more of a Third Person Shooter then a RPG. (TPARPG)

I think someone needs to set a law for what makes a RPG game, a True RPG game. And, I can't think of anyone better suited then me! (Though, you guys can help.)

IS IT A TRUE RPG?
If the answer is No to any of the following questions, then it is not a true RPG, but a hybrid RPG of some sort.

1. Can you beat the game without having to use any real hand/eye-coordination other than selecting options in a menu, selecting a target, or moving your character around from place to place? (Things such as having to manually target opponents in real time would be a "no".)

2. Does your character(s) evolve over the course of the game? Do they get stronger, faster, more health, better abilities, etc?

3. Does the game's story involve any of the following: Saving a member of the opposite sex, saving the land/kingdom/world/galaxy/universe, a final boss battle that takes longer than 10 minutes to complete?

4. Do you get to do any of the following: Make choices at some point about how to proceed, Get to travel freely to a destination of your choice, Make decisions that can alter the story and/or ending of the game.

5. Would the average 13 year old Halo/Counter Strike/Modern Warfare 2/Madden addicted gamer walk past this without giving it a 2nd glance? (Unless there was a hot girl on the cover, then a 2nd glance is acceptable, but after looking at the back of the game case he puts it back in disgust and moves on.)

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That's what I can come up with for now.

Or the simpler version, which I think sums up all True RPGs perfectly:

Can you beat the game on the first play through with one hand?

Posted: Jun 11 2010 01:16 pm

i really don't care for sub-genres. i get my brain messed up when i think about them.

Posted: Jun 11 2010 01:23 pm

Knyte, I call bullshit. You don't have turn-based gameplay in Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale or Planescape Torment. Are you calling these games non-RPGs?

Posted: Jun 11 2010 01:26 pm

How about DragonAge: Origins? It has real-time action, but otherwise is a straight up RPG. (I'm fucking in love with this game, BTW)

Posted: Jun 11 2010 01:34 pm

Yes and No. Dragon Age can be be paused at any time to select targets, and you don't have to do anything other than click on a target to attack it. You don't have to aim you shots, or hit buttons everytime you want to swing your weapon. So, it stands as a TRPG. (True RPG)

Posted: Jun 11 2010 06:56 pm

Knyte wrote:

3. Does the game's story involve any of the following: Saving a member of the opposite sex, saving the land/kingdom/world/galaxy/universe, a final boss battle that takes longer than 10 minutes to complete?

4. Do you get to do any of the following: Make choices at some point about how to proceed, Get to travel freely to a destination of your choice, Make decisions that can alter the story and/or ending of the game.

5. Would the average 13 year old Halo/Counter Strike/Modern Warfare 2/Madden addicted gamer walk past this without giving it a 2nd glance? (Unless there was a hot girl on the cover, then a 2nd glance is acceptable, but after looking at the back of the game case he puts it back in disgust and moves on.)

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That's what I can come up with for now.

Or the simpler version, which I think sums up all True RPGs perfectly:

Can you beat the game on the first play through with one hand?

I don't see how any of this constitutes a true RPG. In regards to the third rule, an RPG can have wildly varying storylines, so I don't think the plot of the game has anything at all to do with it being an RPG. In regards to the fourth rule, an RPG can be extremely linear or can give you a large amount of freedom, so that doesn't have anything to do with RPGs either. In regards to the fifth rule, you're forgetting that the "average 13 year old Halo/Counter Strike/Modern Warfare 2/Madden" gamer would walk away from most RPGs, not just non-hybrid ones.

As for that last rule, that could only mean that a "true-RPG" would have to be turn-based, as I'd probably need both hands for an RPG that uses an active-time-battle based system.

Posted: Jun 13 2010 02:32 am

Even ATB based games are menu choice driven. And, don't most of them allow you to auto-cycle through targets?

Also, name a classic RPG that does meet the criteria I laid out?

Final Fantasy I-XIII = Check
Dragon Warrior I-IX = Check
Baulders Gate/Planscape/Icewind Dale = Check
Neverwinter Nights I+II= Check
Dragon Age = Check
Every SSI AD&D Goldbox game = Check
Ultima I - IX = Check
Wizardry Series = Check

See, where I am going with this?

Also, I beat every PSX RPG I played with this:

From Rapsody to Suikoden I+II to Final Fantasy IX.

Posted: Jun 13 2010 12:48 pm

Nice, I could have eaten tacos/drank a beer/rubbed one out all while playing my favorite PSX games?

How come I have never seen that nifty little controller?

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Nekkoru wrote:

Knyte, I call bullshit. You don't have turn-based gameplay in Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale or Planescape Torment. Are you calling these games non-RPGs?

What the hell? These games can be paused at any time and you can set it to pause automatically after every turn, just like any Black Isle game.

Posted: Jun 13 2010 11:30 pm

Planescape:Torment hands down. It's one of my favorite games ever. I played it so many times, walking the different paths that the Nameless One could take... really epic stuff. And so many original and quirky companions! Not to mention interesting locales to explore.

Also, Fallout and... Arcanum. I've always considered Troika's game something of an underdog. It's very open-ended, and the characters are highly customizable. Also, an enthralling background and story.

Posted: Jun 14 2010 01:16 am

k, lets try 10

1. Chrono Thrigger
2. Final Fantasy 6
3. Suikoden 2
4. Jagged Alliance 2
5. Fallout 3
6. Final Fantasy 7
7. Suikoden
8. Final Fantasy Tactics
9. Mass Effect 2
10. Final Fantasy 10

Joined: Mar 01 2010 Posts: 126

SoldierHawk wrote:

Oh you know what, I want to add Mystic Quest to my list. I adore that game.

I borrowed Mystic Quest from a friend and played it until I managed to locked myself IN the ice castle. Then I got pissed off that this could happen in an RPG and gave the game back.

Also, best RPG ever is Chrono Trigger. Others have been made with better graphics since, but it had the best graphics of almost any game at the time, the soundtrack was awesome, the story was original and interesting and it had great replay value with all the optional quests and many endings.

Plus the main character dies, which is unusual, and a side quest allows you to save him.