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Off-Duty Officer Fatally Shoots Unarmed Marine


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Atma
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PostPosted: Jun 06 2010 09:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/23810790/detail.html?hpt=T2

No matter what the situation was, you can't justify shooting an unarmed man 13 times. I hope his family sees justice.
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PostPosted: Jun 06 2010 09:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Oh how sad. Sad

I second the hope that his family sees justice. Can't do much at this point since the man's already dead, but...at the very least the officer deserves to lose his badge.


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PostPosted: Jun 06 2010 09:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

There's one more person who actually knew how to live his life properly gone.


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PostPosted: Jun 06 2010 09:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Sounds fishy to me. Why did the officer refuse to take a breathalizer test? You'd think a cop would understand the importance of doing that if he was sober, and in the right. And 13 fucking shots? Granted I've never been in a situation like that, but I'd like to think that a trained police officer would be able to show more restraint than that.

Who knows whether we're getting the whole story here, but this sounds like a straight up murder......not a police incident.


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PostPosted: Jun 06 2010 09:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

^ Unpremeditated murder perhaps, but essentially yes.


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PostPosted: Jun 06 2010 09:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I know this will sound ridiculous, but... the marine was black. If the officer was white, it may have been a case of racism? Confused Just putting it out there.


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PostPosted: Jun 06 2010 09:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

13 times? I was going to make a John Cena joke, but I guess I can settle for Tazz. "Just another victim!"

In all seriousness, that really does suck. I don't understand what justifies 13 bullets.
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UsaSatsui
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PostPosted: Jun 06 2010 10:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I usually defend the cops, but it does clearly appear this officer is in the wrong. He was off duty, he used way excessive force, and he shouldn't have been carrying while drunk. This wasn't a case of "punk who didn't listen to officer got what he deserved", this is "guy goes over the line defending himself".

He's going to jail. Even if he pulls the self-defense card, you can't bring a gun to a fistfight.
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Atma
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PostPosted: Jun 06 2010 10:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

UsaSatsui wrote:
I usually defend the cops, but it does clearly appear this officer is in the wrong. He was off duty, he used way excessive force, and he shouldn't have been carrying while drunk. This wasn't a case of "punk who didn't listen to officer got what he deserved", this is "guy goes over the line defending himself".

He's going to jail. Even if he pulls the self-defense card, you can't bring a gun to a fistfight.

Your absoultely correct, and from day one that their gun is placed in their hands, "use the least amount of force possible". Unless the kid was whacked out on PCP and tearing down street lights. I'm pretty sure firing 13 shots out of what I'm assuming is a 15 round magazine is insane.
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PostPosted: Jun 06 2010 10:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

This is why I favor gun control. An off-duty police officer couldn't carry without getting drunk and putting down a man with excessive force, how can some action movie fetishist carry in a bar without causing problems?


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PostPosted: Jun 06 2010 11:29 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm anti-gun control in most cases, and it's called fucking restraint. I carry a Browning Hi-Power Mark III and if I know I'm going to drink, I leave it the fuck at home. Beer balls make people do stupid shit, but that's no excuse. Responsible gun ownership is just that, and if the cop was off duty and smashed, they should pile drunk and disorderly conduct on top of the pile of other shit that I hope he's imprisoned for. What a fucking waste and a tragedy.


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PostPosted: Jun 07 2010 01:52 am Reply with quote Back to top

This isn't really a gun control issue. This was a person we'd want to have a gun, in theory.
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PostPosted: Jun 07 2010 01:59 am Reply with quote Back to top

Wonder why police don't just use tranquilzers? I know it can be dangerous, but it's a lot less controversial than filling someone with 13 fucking bullets.
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PostPosted: Jun 07 2010 11:20 am Reply with quote Back to top

Well, if by tranqulizers you mean non-lethal subdual means, this does happen, but not to the extent it should. Of course, there's the Don't Taze Me, Bro! option, but the tazers can create a high enough current to cause heart palpitations or other complications with a minor subsection of violent offenders and then people say it's barbaric. Personally, I'm all for the tazers. Rubber bullets is another good option, mainly because it's going to break your fucking bones but it's less likely to kill you. I guess it's considered too expensive an option, though?

With regards to actual tranquilizers, I think it's a matter of efficacy. A tranq, on average, requires enough time for the chemicals to hit the bloodstream and reach the brain, which can take almost a minute. That minute is a crucial period, and if you're a cop with someone beating the shit out of you or waving a knife or drawing down, it can be too long. That's why I think the tazer is the most effective solution.

That said, this guy was off duty and based off of all the bystanders' comments, the Marine wasn't doing thing fucking one wrong. This sounds like a serious overreaction and severely excessive force. But we'll find out soon enough with the ruling.


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PostPosted: Jun 07 2010 12:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm wondering if the cop's earlier shooting of a guy in the foot was really "justified" or if they just swept it all along nice and neat and are now seriously regretting it after he kills a man in pretty much the same situation.

And on the shooting people with tranqs idea, the same dosage wouldn't effect everyone the same way. A big guy might not be downed by it, but shoot a crazed skinny lady with the same dose and you might kill her.


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PostPosted: Jun 07 2010 12:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

This was a drunk/reckless cop with a chip on his shoulder, what a shame. 13 shots? Jesus Christ.


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PostPosted: Jun 07 2010 01:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Give the officer 13 shots of potassium chloride.


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PostPosted: Jun 08 2010 01:04 am Reply with quote Back to top

Considering this is his SECOND infraction (and an off-duty shooting under questionable circumstances shouldn't have even happened ONCE), why is this guy getting such lenient treatment? It only sends out the message that police officers are above the law, which can potentially lead to abuse of powers and the like.

What if the tables were turned and it was a marine, who was still active but on leave, had shot a cop? Even though that marine holds much higher esteem, he'd also be holding it in a federal prison. My brother in law is a marine, and he goes out of his way to avoid fights (not even going to bars, simply because this is a heavily drinking culture, and it brings heavy fights, too) simply because he assumes (let me know if this is right or not) that, because he has all sorts of military training, that even a fistfight can get him into much more trouble than you or I because he knows how to disable someone, and can therefore be charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

Or, yeah, they should've thrown the book at this guy the first fucking time.


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PostPosted: Jun 08 2010 11:26 am Reply with quote Back to top

Doddsino wrote:
I don't understand what justifies 13 bullets.

It's the only way to guarantee he doesn't come back as a zombie.

Seriously though, WTF?
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PostPosted: Jun 08 2010 04:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm more concerned that our police officers have shitty enough aim to hit a guy with 6 out of 13 bullets.


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Greg the White wrote:
This is why I favor gun control.

Yeah, but is gun control going to stop people from illegally owning them? The only thing gun control will do is strip law-abiding citizens of a way of defending themselves from people who happen to not be law-abiding citizens. And people won't like this idea. At all. So it's likely some sort of rebellion will ensue, which may or may not include people from the army.


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PostPosted: Jun 08 2010 10:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Drew Linky wrote:
Greg the White wrote:
This is why I favor gun control.

Yeah, but is gun control going to stop people from illegally owning them? The only thing gun control will do is strip law-abiding citizens of a way of defending themselves from people who happen to not be law-abiding citizens. And people won't like this idea. At all. So it's likely some sort of rebellion will ensue, which may or may not include people from the army.

I would agree, even people who can't legally obtain a gun can get a hold of one if they really want to. It isn't that difficult.
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PostPosted: Jun 08 2010 10:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

come to AZ. we got rid of CCW laws


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PostPosted: Jun 08 2010 10:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Atma84 wrote:
Drew Linky wrote:
Greg the White wrote:
This is why I favor gun control.

Yeah, but is gun control going to stop people from illegally owning them? The only thing gun control will do is strip law-abiding citizens of a way of defending themselves from people who happen to not be law-abiding citizens. And people won't like this idea. At all. So it's likely some sort of rebellion will ensue, which may or may not include people from the army.

I would agree, even people who can't legally obtain a gun can get a hold of one if they really want to. It isn't that difficult.

Plus, this guy was a cop. He would have had the gun anyway.
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PostPosted: Jun 08 2010 10:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Atma84 wrote:
Drew Linky wrote:
Greg the White wrote:
This is why I favor gun control.

Yeah, but is gun control going to stop people from illegally owning them? The only thing gun control will do is strip law-abiding citizens of a way of defending themselves from people who happen to not be law-abiding citizens. And people won't like this idea. At all. So it's likely some sort of rebellion will ensue, which may or may not include people from the army.

I would agree, even people who can't legally obtain a gun can get a hold of one if they really want to. It isn't that difficult.

Plus, this guy was a cop. He would have had the gun anyway.

Which, going back to what aeonic said, is why tazers could be more effective, if we can find a way to make them less lethal.


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