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Posted: Nov 07 2005 11:03 am

I ran into a friend of mine yesterday on my lunch break, at he mentioned how he needed to come up with $750. Why you ask? He went to Toys 'R Us and ordered an X-Box and 5 games. $400 for a system and $70 each for the games. He now has to cancel his cable. Am I the only person that sees this sort of thing as completely deplorable, and should Microsoft be ashamed of thesmelves for failing to produce an affordable system?

Posted: Nov 18 2005 12:37 am

Yeah, the entire point of consoles is to make a cheap alternative to PC's. But last I heard microsoft got raped on x-box sales on its launch, so that means that they're gonna charge mucho money for the console itself, as well as more for the games to cover their asses. PS3 should be better anyway, ditch that bullshit X-box. It's just for people who wish they could operate a PC but are too stupid to do so.

Joined: Aug 25 2005 Posts: 287

The 360 bugs me for so many reasons.

1) MS is effectively cutting down the typical 5-year console life cycle now in its attempt to get a reasonable market share before the PS3 storms the gates in (supposedly) 2006.

2) The pricing scheme is bullshit. I'm not talking about the outrageous bundle packs (though Gamestop and EB should both be murdered and defecated on for charging 800+ to get some prefabricated collection of games and shitty accessories).

3) Some quotes from various reviews...

IGN on "Condemned:Criminal Origins": "If available, you'll definitely want to run this title in HD and with a surround sound setup to get the full experience, especially the surround sound. On a regular 4:3 television this game is still going to look really good, but you're not going to get all the grisly detail that pulls you into Condemned's game world so effectively. After all, where's the fun in headbutting someone if you can't see the blood that's pooling in the corners of their eyes."

IGN on "Call of Duty 2": "The game looks especially crisp in 1080 and 720, and the level of detail and crispness is undeniably different when compared to the same game in 480p. In the higher resolutions, the texture work is often excellent, and in any mode it's complemented by both fluid moving characters and great animation."

IGN on "Project Gotham 3": "Visually, PGR3 is set up to look absolutely gorgeous when in 720p or 1080i. It's still pretty in 480p, but it looks more like an Xbox game to be honest. The high-def setting makes a world of difference. If you don't have a High-definition set-up, look into it quick!"

1up.com on "Call of Duty 2": "If you have the home theater gear, this will be the game to pop in to wow your friends with the whole package: the new console, the high-def screen and the 5.1 sound system."

CNN's Chris Morris on the system itself: "The system truly sings with a high definition television, as has been widely reported, but still shows noticeable graphical improvements over the current generation. In an ideal world, HD is best, but you can survive for a while without it and still enjoy the system."

See where I'm going with this? MS is doing its damndest to make HD a prerequisite for "truly" experiencing the 360. I'm sorry, but that's fucking abysmal. Most people still can't afford LCD, DLP, or Plasma displays. CRT HD sets are far cheaper (in the 500 to 700 dollar range for 26 inches), but here's the kicker... the 360 runs HD "natively" at 720p, which is all but unsupported by CRTs. Most give you 480i, 480p, and 1080i. Sure, you can have your TV or the 360 upconvert if you want without TOO much of a degradation of quality, but MS is really pushing for people to drop an additional 2 grand or so, in addtion to whatever ridiculous sum they're paying for the console "bundle" itself, to enjoy the system. And, yes, if I really wanted to I could find a way to afford an HDTV, but I don't feel like spending that kind of money for one.

All I can say is, with games like "Dragon Quest VIII", "Mario Kart DS", "Animal Crossing DS", "Shadow of the Colossus", "Civilization IV", "Guitar Hero", and so many others just hitting or about to hit the market, I see no reason to bother hunting down a 360. I can get a LOT of games for what I'd be expected to pay for this new system and its accoutrements.

EDIT: Regarding the resolutions. I know you can set the XBox to 1080i from the dashbord, but that's not the point really. MS won't certify any titles unless they support 720p. That's the resolution they're trying to make standard and, as such, they're offhandedly telling consumers to get TVs that run it.

Posted: Nov 18 2005 05:19 pm

fuck the 360. im waiting for The revolution.

Joined: Feb 21 2006 Location: California Posts: 31

the 360 is the first of the next gen consloes. $300-400 is a great price. Microsoft loses money on every system sold, just like all systems. so they are selling you a terebyte system for 3bills try getting a computer with this power at that price. and the ps3 is going to be even further in that direction. dual grapics cars a rediculous amount of procesors.
Microsft is rumored to be coming out wilt a larger hard drive now so this will be the next modder systems. ps3 too. the rvolution on the other hand looks like the most gimicky thing i have ever seen. it will be a week system that doest even have hd ....
its going to be another collosic disater like the cube; that nintendo fan boys will defend to the death because it has like 5 good games for it. anyways this is the next gen. it is here now! the revolution probaly wont take part, just another remince of the cube and the n64

Posted: Feb 22 2006 12:06 am

mcdusher wrote:

it will be a week system that doest even have hd ....
its going to be another collosic disater like the cube; that nintendo fan boys will defend to the death because it has like 5 good games for it. anyways this is the next gen. it is here now! the revolution probaly wont take part, just another remince of the cube and the n64

I fail to see how the cube was a "disaster". In that generation of consoles, the Gamecube was #2 in the global market.

And the Revolution is going to have a hard drive. The system is going to be able to download roms from other Nintendo systems including the N64. Since N64 games were all at least 16 megs, the hard drive will presumably be of a reasonable size. But in general a game system doesn't need a big hard drive. Games should provide a full sensory experience.... I don't need a hard drive full of mp3s to play over the game's actual soundtrack. If you feel you do need external mp3s to play over a game, then the game isn't doing its job.

As it stands though, the 360 is a pretty good position to win the next gen war. It's out first and that's a major plus for it. Also, Sony is rumored to have all sorts of hardware problems and no one knows what the system is going to cost. Speculation is anywhere between $299-$600. The Revolution is a toss-up. Nintendo wants it to retail for somewhere between $200-$350, but the bizarre controller may keep people away. They have yet to demo any games or hardware, so it's hard to say what will happen. Even if it does well, it'll never be the #1 console.

Posted: Feb 22 2006 04:28 am

mcdusher wrote:

the 360 is the first of the next gen consloes. $300-400 is a great price. Microsoft loses money on every system sold, just like all systems. so they are selling you a terebyte system for 3bills try getting a computer with this power at that price.

The x-box 360's main lineup of titles as I've seen so far have been sub-par PC ports with inferior graphics and awful control (thanks analog sticks), lame sports games, racing games that crash, and derivative, uninspired FPS games. Perfect Dark zero, for taking 7 years to come out, really sucks. I mean, wow. Seven years and that's all you've got to show for it? No thanks. I'd just be happy paying the full price for a computer that looks, runs and controls superior in all aspects to the x-box 360, as well as having the opportunity for roms and mods (some of the best games ever are mods, and simply put they're something consoles, even with hard drives, will never have).

Now, I've heard you can get emulators on the x-box 360 for SNES and whatnot. That would be fun, for sure. But screw it, I wouldn't want to pay 300-400 dollars for something I can hook up to my TV and play roms with on a console controller...because I already do that with my PC.

However, if I was too poor / dumb to build my own PC, I'd definitely like this for roms. However, this is real life.

Joined: Feb 21 2006 Location: California Posts: 31

I am repyling to a couple of things here first of all

the gamecube was a disaster
if you havent heard the new zelda may be released on the revolution
if that happens count the good games for it.

Heres how you know if your a nintedo fan boy

what are the good games for the cube, if its easy for you to think of more than 5 you are a nintedo fan boy. go to game spot and look at the reviw page. like 18 games ranked 9 or higher(no 10s) in 4 years. now half of those game got higher scores on the other 2 systems. that leaves like 9 original quality game for the cube in over 4 years whats 9 divided by 4. its 2 and a quarter. nintendo released 2 and a quarter games a year that were worth owning. you call this a success?

And i bet you are thinking the same thing i think when i hear that bullshit about sales. its manipulation of numbers, well here is the real truth nintendo fan boys will blindy buy and like anything nintedo tells them to(especially the japanesewhisch curbs the market and you get thos number) and that is where the problem is.
it diversifies the market into gamers and fanboys.

Posted: Feb 22 2006 07:25 am

mcdusher wrote:

I am repyling to a couple of things here first of all

the gamecube was a disaster
if you havent heard the new zelda may be released on the revolution
if that happens count the good games for it.

Heres how you know if your a nintedo fan boy

what are the good games for the cube, if its easy for you to think of more than 5 you are a nintedo fan boy. go to game spot and look at the reviw page. like 18 games ranked 9 or higher(no 10s) in 4 years. now half of those game got higher scores on the other 2 systems. that leaves like 9 original quality game for the cube in over 4 years whats 9 divided by 4. its 2 and a quarter. nintendo released 2 and a quarter games a year that were worth owning. you call this a success?

And i bet you are thinking the same thing i think when i hear that bullshit about sales. its manipulation of numbers, well here is the real truth nintendo fan boys will blindy buy and like anything nintedo tells them to(especially the japanesewhisch curbs the market and you get thos number) and that is where the problem is.
it diversifies the market into gamers and fanboys.

Resident Evil 4

It's not a disaster if I got it for 99 bucks and I enjoy the crap out of this game every week.

"Fanboy" is a term used by immature morons, nothing else. Sorry. I'm not blindly devoted to any system, just the one with fun games.

I just named the one and only game that needs to be named to instantly bury x-box. Sorry, I won't look back in 15 years on any x-box game and go wow, that sure was fun, I wanna play it again. I'll always treasure Resident Evil 4 though, because it rocks hard ass.

Besides, just because gamecube doesn't have a ton of great games doesn't mean that x-box having a dime a dozen third-rate PC ports a year late with bad controls and graphics means it's "better".

Try naming some good x-box games that aren't overhyped RPG's, boring FPS games, next year's football or basketball game, or another GTA clone.

X-box is a PC for fratboy retards who don't care about substance. Nintendo may be wacky and "kiddy" at times but at least they're not afraid to go out on a limb or stay true to themselves, despite popular opinion. For that, I applaud them.

Joined: Feb 21 2006 Location: California Posts: 31

first of all every game that came out on all 3 systems looke the best on xbox
second i think all the people who make up the xbox live network and play halo 2 fanatilly would disagree about fps being bouring i could see how one whos reflexses are so duled by nintendos childesh games would think so though

did you guys happen to know halo 2 got the first emmy for video games due to the overwhelming number of xbox live players they can track how often people play this game and if you care to admit it or not it has forced society into accepting video games as main streem media.

oh yea so good xbox game
doa
ninja gaiden
forza was superior even to grand turizmo 4
oh yeah and which racing game are you playing on the cube?
topspin oh but you dont count sports games so
the exclusive star wars games
the 2 mech assault games were the only 2 mech games i liked last gen
half life 2 was suposed to be an exact pourt

but its not just about the xbox

its about nintedos failure

ps2 made them look especially bad

im not saying i didnt love resident evil 4 or zelda the the one mario game he was suposed to be in
ill even consider louigi's mansion ok
but to deny that there were a lack of games for system
you have to be a fanboy to deny that! its the only way you can

Posted: Feb 22 2006 08:00 am

mcdusher wrote:

second i think all the people who make up the xbox live network and play halo 2 fanatilly would disagree about fps being bouring i could see how one whos reflexses are so duled by nintendos childesh games would think so though

Yeah, because resident evil 4 is one of "nintendo's" (not capcom, the people known for making games that require psychotic reflexes) "childish" games!

As for my reflexes in FPS games, feel free to message me on aim at MurdarMachene if you'd like a a video of me playing The Specialists, a mod for half life. A mod where you have to dive, flip, dodge and run around the room while using guns, throwing knives, kung fu and katanas and play your ass off to get kills. A mod infinitely faster paced, more skill intensive and fun than half of what halo could ever be.

Oh and wow, a game got an award because the largest number of idiots liked it. hey, guess what? President George W. Bush was voted in by popular opinion. that makes him the best, right? Let's not forget mainstream rap, shitty pop music and everything else that the majority of servile idiots enjoy. Sorry, majority opinion =! quality. I'm really thinking about the emmies when I'm sitting here playing Guardian Heroes and enjoying it more than I could ever enjoy halo 2.

For the record, half-life 2 ran laughably slow and looked unplayable. In the demo video the guy was struggling with shooting a headcrab with a submachine gun, he eventually gave up and just started flailing helplessly with a crowbar. Also, calling it an "exact port" is a lie, because you get none of the mods, which is part of the half life experience.

Once again, lowered standards and half-truths to justify an extremely mediocre and marginal console system.

Joined: Feb 21 2006 Location: California Posts: 31

also you guys take me rong i am a betryaed nintendo fan boy
i own every nintendo console
including many game in watch
this predates most any nintendo fan

they were a solid company

and what most current fanboys dont understand is they have ben in a transitonal period since the nitendo playstaion fell through so arond the n64 time

we are neering the end of that tranisiton and what they come out with after the revolution should be good if they pull through as a buissness. Im sure there will even be good games for it, i mean with miamoto how could they not

but the cube was still a disaster self atmitingly
it was suposed to the dolphin

the whole system they playd cath up and why
so they would not put them selve in a situation like the one they are putting them selve in by releasing the revolution. the worst thing they could do is release that before the ps3 becase we might not be saying dolpin of virtual boy
we might be saying sega

Posted: Feb 22 2006 08:13 am

mcdusher wrote:

also you guys take me rong i am a betryaed nintendo fan boy
i own every nintendo console
including many game in watch
this predates most any nintendo fan

they were a solid company

and what most current fanboys dont understand is they have ben in a transitonal period since the nitendo playstaion fell through so arond the n64 time

we are neering the end of that tranisiton and what they come out with after the revolution should be good if they pull through as a buissness. Im sure there will even be good games for it, i mean with miamoto how could they not

but the cube was still a disaster self atmitingly
it was suposed to the dolphin

the whole system they playd cath up and why
so they would not put them selve in a situation like the one they are putting them selve in by releasing the revolution. the worst thing they could do is release that before the ps3 becase we might not be saying dolpin of virtual boy
we might be saying sega

I dunno I'm not trying to judge you here and I don't hold anything personally against you. Of course, I keep my views of video game consoles seperate from personal judgements. I just think that x-box sucks, that's all. I'm not even really defending nintendo at this point, I'm just kinda saying why I hate x-box.

Basically, I hope you don't take offense from the stuff I post. To hate someone based on what games they like is pretty stupid, indeed.

I think we're all guilty of console favoritism to some degree. If I found a game on x-box that I really liked, I'd defend it to my dying day, assuredly. I just can't think of a single damn game on the system that I'm even vaguely interested in. Gamecube at least offers SOME games I enjoy, x-box offers nothing I enjoy that I don't already have on PC or another system that I enjoy more on other said system.

To be honest I do like several x-box games, one of them being tetris worlds, the other being Capcom Vs SNK 2 (although this game is unabalnced as hell, it's still somewhat fun to play).

Joined: Feb 21 2006 Location: California Posts: 31

i agree
i dont judge anyone on there video game choices
but ifind so much blind choice in video game favor ship
that i tend to want to debate about
i was a nintendo fan boy and i tend to befriend nintendo fanboys
maybe so i can continue to have this debate
but i find people use " i dont like microsft" as there scape goat reasoning
but then you go to ther computer and they are running windows
and they have microsft office
and they dont even relize
but then they usually say well idont like mac operating systems
my response usually is get familiar with linux but that futher pushes them away from the convinance they love about ms windows.
see now this i can understand
but when someone can defend Guiest
and say halo 2 is a bad game i have to asume blind loyalism to a company they are not even quite familar with

now i used to like nintendo
what i mean by this is now i only like nintendo games
but not them as a company
once this transition is complete that is going on in their company
i may go back to have them being my favorite of the three
but to hear their old president say he didnt think gamers held online gameplay in high regards is what did it for me

I am a firm believer if you want to call yourself a gamer you shold have all 3 systems
some people say well they hate one system. well if they have a good reason for that than i can understand
but people who say they cant afford but have all the crap nintendo and sony put out
than they can afford a third system

also xbox is the only system short of pc that i am satisfied with the online play
if you have a good connection it has flawless gaming usually with near perfect voice over ip that alone makes the online better than even computer in my eyes.
if a game does offer voice over ip you ussually have to download patchs and firmware and drivers to get everything to work right together
so honesty its the term gamer
i think if you are a gamer you should be able to play the new games

Posted: Feb 22 2006 08:58 am

mcdusher wrote:

if you have a good connection it has flawless gaming usually with near perfect voice over ip that alone makes the online better than even computer in my eyes.

I agree with the first part, but I disagree with the second part. I enjoyed talking to the people I played against on tetris worlds, I met a nice couple from ontario actually, we frequently met up I played against him and his fiance. I have no problem using ventrillo or in-game voice chat on half life or while playing roms to communicate with my "cyber-friends" in the interwebs, though. I'd just say it's nice and convenient that they have it all in one friendly package with the headseat, it's easy to get set up on x-box, works well and does the job. The downside to this is of course for every cool person you play against, you're going to have squalling idiots and pre-pubescent annoyances screeching into your ears while you're trying to enjoy a game. I find it easier to mute and remove such annoyances on a PC, where I can quickly navigate menus and mute players.

Joined: Feb 21 2006 Location: California Posts: 31

I guess from time to time i may be in with those anoying 10 year olds
not that im 10 or have a squeaky voice but part of what one me over to xbox
was in the begining when live first started there was no one monitering
and if i had a bad day and felt like taking it out on someone you could say whatever you wanted. ive made grown men cry, i kid you not.
and looking back it may not have been cool the things i said but to have that kind of freedom, and free flowing voce over ip from a console is inovative with out being gimicky and while im somewhat familiar with the pc it was the convinance that won me over just like when i swithced to windos 3.1 form my slightly older mac
it was just something new and convinat

Posted: Feb 22 2006 01:36 pm

mcdusher wrote:

Heres how you know if your a nintedo fan boy

what are the good games for the cube, if its easy for you to think of more than 5 you are a nintedo fan boy.

Being able to name 5 good games for the Gamecube doesn't make you a fanboy. 5 is a pretty easy number to reach:

Super Smash Brothers Melee
Mario Kart Double Dash
Metroid Prime
Resident Evil 4 (later ported to PS2)
Viewtiful Joe (later ported to PS2)
Metroid Prime 2
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
Super Mario Sunshine
Soul Calibur 2 (It's on all three systems, but Link is way more fun to play as than Spawn or Heihachi)

That's just off the top of my head and those are all recognizable, successful titles.

I would say there's probably at least 50 good games for the Gamecube, if you include cross-platform games. And I'd say that's probably enough. Unless all you do is play video games all the time, you're probably not going to play more 1-4 console games a month. I'm not sure if I could find 50 games I'd want to play on XBox. The thing about the Gamecube is that it definitely has better game diversity than the XBox. If it wasn't for EA and Sega, I'm pretty sure every game released on the Xbox would have involved you shooting your way through dark rooms. The 'cube has a little bit of something for everyone. Not every game will appeal to everyone, but there's enough there to keep you interested. Of course, PS2 has a much better library than either system.

Posted: Feb 23 2006 01:30 pm

mcdusher, there are soooo many flaws in what you're saying I can't respond to all of them, so I'll have someone do it for me....

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, buddy.

#edit:

Alright, I did a little research cause I finished studying for my test, and what do you mean by a "terabyte system"? I mean, I knew you were completely wrong, but where is this terrabyte coming from, the 20 GB harddrive or the 512 megs of ram?
X-Box hardware statistics from www.xbox.com

Posted: Feb 24 2006 11:08 am

I want a 360 solely for Elderscolls IV: Oblivion. Which isn't even out yet.

If it's anything like Morrowind, I won't need any other games for a year or so.

Posted: Feb 24 2006 05:41 pm

Black Zarak wrote:

I want a 360 solely for Elderscolls IV: Oblivion. Which isn't even out yet.

If it's anything like Morrowind, I won't need any other games for a year or so.

Oblivion is supposed to be absolutely ridiculously awesome. It takes something like 6 hours real-time to walk from one end of the island to the other.

Posted: Feb 24 2006 06:35 pm

Yes, but won't Elder Scrolls IV be on a computer anyway?