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Arizona Ethnic Studies Classes banned


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BlazingGlory
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PostPosted: May 12 2010 09:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Edit: sorry, forgot to add the Url
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/30/arizona-ethnic-studies-cl_n_558731.html
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Arizona's new immigration law is just about crime, its supporters say, but given that the state's new education policy equates ethnic studies programs with high treason, they may not be using the commonly accepted definition of "crime."

Under the ban, sent to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer by the state legislature Thursday, schools will lose state funding if they offer any courses that "promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, promote resentment of a particular race or class of people, are designed primarily for students of a particular ethnic group or advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals."

As ThinkProgress notes, the Tucson Unified School District's popular Mexican-American studies department is the target here. The state superintendent charges that the program exhibits "ethnic chauvinism."

Meanwhile, in a move that was more covert until the Wall Street Journal uncovered it, the Arizona Department of Education has told schools that teachers with "heavy" or "ungrammatical" accents are no longer allowed to teach English classes. As outlined by the Journal, Arizona's recent pattern of discriminatory education policies is ironic -- and is likely a function of No Child Left Behind funding requirements -- given that the state spent a decade recruiting teachers for whom English was a second language.

In the 1990s, Arizona hired hundreds of teachers whose first language was Spanish as part of a broad bilingual-education program. Many were recruited from Latin America.

Then in 2000, voters passed a ballot measure stipulating that instruction be offered only in English. Bilingual teachers who had been instructing in Spanish switched to English.
Teachers who don't meet the new fluency standards have the option of taking classes to improve their English, the Journal reports, but if they fail to reach the state's targets would be fired or reassigned.
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UsaSatsui
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PostPosted: May 12 2010 10:06 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm not reading "no classes in ethnic studies", I'm reading "no classes designed specifically to be taken by a certain ethnic group"

In other words, you can teach "Black history", but not "History, to be learned only by black people"

Also, source please?
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PostPosted: May 12 2010 10:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

UsaSatsui wrote:
In other words, you can teach "Black history", but not "History, to be learned only by black people"


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PostPosted: May 12 2010 11:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

That's it, everyone back in the pile!



 
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PostPosted: May 12 2010 11:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

http://cbs2.com/politics/arizona.ethnic.studies.2.1688758.html

Ariz. gov signs bill targeting ethnic studies
By JONATHAN J. COOPER, Associated Press Writer Jonathan J. Cooper, Associated Press Writer – 48 mins ago
PHOENIX – Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed a bill targeting a school district's ethnic studies program on Tuesday, hours after a report by United Nations human rights experts condemned the measure.

State schools chief Tom Horne pushed the measure for years, saying the program in a Tucson school district promotes "ethnic chauvinism" and racial resentment toward whites.

The measure prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group. It also prohibits classes that promote the overthrow of the U.S. government.

Tucson Unified School District officials say their program does not promote resentment, and they believe it would comply with the new law.

The district program offers specialized courses in African-American, Mexican-American and Native-American studies that focus on history and literature and include information about the influence of a particular ethnic group.

For example, in the Mexican-American Studies program, an American history course explores the role of Hispanics in the Vietnam War, and a literature course emphasizes Latino authors. About 1,500 students at six high schools are enrolled.

Elementary and middle school students also are exposed to the ethnic studies curriculum.

The measure concerned six UN human rights experts, who released a statement earlier Tuesday expressing concern about the measure because they believe all people have the right to learn about their own cultural and linguistic heritage.

Brewer spokesman Paul Senseman didn't directly address the UN criticism, but said Brewer supports the bill's goal.

"The governor believes ... public school students should be taught to treat and value each other as individuals and not be taught to resent or hate other races or classes of people," Senseman said.

Brewer's signature on the bill comes less than a month after she signed the nation's toughest crackdown on illegal immigration — a move that ignited international backlash amid charges the measure would encourage racial profiling of Hispanics. Brewer said profiling would not be tolerated.

Sean Arce, director of the district's Mexican-American Studies program in Tucson, said last month students perform better in school if they see in the curriculum people who look like them. The district is 56 percent Hispanic, with nearly 31,000 Latino students.

"It's a highly engaging program that we have, and it's unfortunate that the state Legislature would go so far as to censor these classes," Arce said.

Arce could not immediately be reached after Brewer signed the bill late Tuesday.

The law doesn't prohibit classes that teach about the history of a particular ethnic group, as long as the course is open to all students and doesn't promote ethnic solidarity or resentment.

Horne, the schools chief who wrote the law, said he believes the district's Mexican-American studies program teaches Latino students that they are oppressed by white people. Public schools should not be encouraging students to resent a particular race, he said.

"The function of the public schools is to take students of different backgrounds and to teach them to treat each other as individuals," Horne said last month.

A Republican running for attorney general, Horne has been trying to restrict the program ever since he learned that Hispanic civil rights activist Dolores Huerta in 2006 told students that "Republicans hate Latinos."


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PostPosted: May 12 2010 11:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

man arizona is so fucking stupid. why the fuck am i still here?! backwards ass red state


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PostPosted: May 13 2010 06:42 am Reply with quote Back to top

I like where they're going really.

"...saying the program in a Tucson school district promotes "ethnic chauvinism" and racial resentment toward whites. The measure prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group"
I completely agree with that statement. I don't know if it promotes resentment toward whites, but those kinds of courses definitely promote "ethnic chauvinism" and racial solidarity, and a sort of pride in not assimilating into the American culture. It promotes racism in a way where everyone is known by their color and background instead of their individuality.

And if there is going to be ethnic studies courses, I'd like to see some white studies courses as well. Why is that bad when the other races are acceptable? Anything that further divides and calls attention to and singles out certain races, good or bad, needs to be banned as that's why racism refuses to die. It is possible to be racist toward white people too and I could see how some race-centric courses could bring that about.
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PostPosted: May 13 2010 06:48 am Reply with quote Back to top

Pandajuice wrote:
I like where they're going really.

"...saying the program in a Tucson school district promotes "ethnic chauvinism" and racial resentment toward whites. The measure prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group"
I completely agree with that statement. I don't know if it promotes resentment toward whites, but those kinds of courses definitely promote "ethnic chauvinism" and racial solidarity, and a sort of pride in not assimilating into the American culture. It promotes racism in a way where everyone is known by their color and background instead of their individuality.

And if there is going to be ethnic studies courses, I'd like to see some white studies courses as well. Why is that bad when the other races are acceptable? Anything that further divides and calls attention to and singles out certain races, good or bad, needs to be banned as that's why racism refuses to die. It is possible to be racist toward white people too and I could see how some race-centric courses could bring that about.


Bravo. Couldn't have said it better. I'm all for the melting pot theory, but at the end of the day, your in America. You should have pride for that. I'm not saying forget your roots and culture (even though most of the kids were probably born in America anyway). You should also know English as a secondary language at least if your living in the country.
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PostPosted: May 13 2010 07:51 am Reply with quote Back to top

Pandajuice wrote:
I like where they're going really.

"And if there is going to be ethnic studies courses, I'd like to see some white studies courses as well. Why is that bad when the other races are acceptable? Anything that further divides and calls attention to and singles out certain races, good or bad, needs to be banned as that's why racism refuses to die. It is possible to be racist toward white people too and I could see how some race-centric courses could bring that about.

That's called American History. A sure sign that Arizona is out of control with this crap is that Republican Rep. Tancredo says they have gone far. The same man who called Miami a third world country thinks you should maybe tone it down a bit.


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PostPosted: May 13 2010 08:01 am Reply with quote Back to top

I think it all comes down to making someone feel like shit for not speaking English, which to an extent I agree with. If you live here learn the language blah blah blah. But really, this shit is also basically "disregard your heritage".


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PostPosted: May 13 2010 10:03 am Reply with quote Back to top

Personally, I think cultural hertiage and identity should be taught by your family and cultural oranization(s). In public school, classes should be offered that can be to the benefit of EVERYBODY. What the hell am I going to do with a Latino in America studies class? More math, science, world history, arts and music.

That being said, I've never been to Arizona and possibly may never go there. I'm not sure what right I have to tell a state that has problems, I've never never experienced how to go about their business. They've started a process to address a valid concern that the state's residents have. It is in now way over and they'll have to repeat the process and make changes a dozen more times to get it right. At least they've started which is a lot more than I can say about the chicken-shit politicians at the federal level. It's easier for them to say "That's racist" and pander to their constituency in Massachuesetts (sorry Syd), New York or where ever than actually work on something thats going to make some people temporarliy uncomfortable.


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PostPosted: May 13 2010 11:39 am Reply with quote Back to top

Ash Burton wrote:
Pandajuice wrote:
I like where they're going really.

"And if there is going to be ethnic studies courses, I'd like to see some white studies courses as well. Why is that bad when the other races are acceptable? Anything that further divides and calls attention to and singles out certain races, good or bad, needs to be banned as that's why racism refuses to die. It is possible to be racist toward white people too and I could see how some race-centric courses could bring that about.

That's called American History. A sure sign that Arizona is out of control with this crap is that Republican Rep. Tancredo says they have gone far. The same man who called Miami a third world country thinks you should maybe tone it down a bit.

thank you. you learn about white history thru american history and european history. history in general is totally eurocentric and thats all you learn thru elementary & middle school.


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PostPosted: May 13 2010 11:55 am Reply with quote Back to top

joshwoodzy wrote:
But really, this shit is also basically "disregard your heritage".


It's not though. You can still have your culture and heritage, but now it isn't state sponsered and shoved down everyone's throat. Go have your heritage privately, but understand we're all Americans and should be thought of as such. I'm really getting sick of "African-American", "Latino-American", etc and the government going out of their way to promote our differences in the name of diversity. Why can't we just all be Americans without labels?

I knew someone would come back with the "you learn about white history thru american history and european history" arguement, which is probably true because that just happened to be the "racial make-up" of those areas at the time, but I want it to be called White or Caucasian studies then and be able to major in Caucasian studies in college. Every minority gets their own personal racial studies courses, so why can't us white folks? That's racist against white people man. I'm not being represented!
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PostPosted: May 13 2010 12:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Pandajuice wrote:
It's not though. You can still have your culture and heritage, but now it isn't state sponsered and shoved down everyone's throat. Go have your heritage privately, but understand we're all Americans and should be thought of as such. I'm really getting sick of "African-American", "Latino-American", etc and the government going out of their way to promote our differences in the name of diversity. Why can't we just all be Americans without labels?

i agree w/this statement

Pandajuice wrote:
I knew someone would come back with the "you learn about white history thru american history and european history" arguement, which is probably true because that just happened to be the "racial make-up" of those areas at the time, but I want it to be called White or Caucasian studies then and be able to major in Caucasian studies in college. Every minority gets their own personal racial studies courses, so why can't us white folks? That's racist against white people man. I'm not being represented!

most of these courses are elective courses. they are not being shoved down peoples throats because they are optional. i remember i signed up for a hispanic studies class in high school, but not enough people signed up so they cancelled that class and i ended up just taking a study hall that period.


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PostPosted: May 13 2010 12:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, I always thought that ethnocentric history courses were elective... I know I never had to take one in College, though I thought about taking chicano studies because I get dark in the summer, and there were always a lot of hot latina's up in that class. So, yeah, nobody's shoving anything down anyone's throat.

Also, I fucking hate the why don't we have white this, or white that, that's racist argument. We're still the majority in this country, almost everything is made to appeal to us.


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PostPosted: May 13 2010 02:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

god damn, I love arizona.

A lot of the education system around here is based on classes like this. The school district where I'm from has a 'latino literature' class. While it was originally supposed to be a class about mexican written or notable books, it was eventually misshapen into

'teach literature studies, but only to latinos'


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PostPosted: May 13 2010 04:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

mexican writers, theres only like 3 i can think of off the top of my head. carlos fuentes wrote La Muerte de Artemio Cruz, juan rulfo who wrote Pedro Paramo and El Llano en Llamas, and.... i cant think of a 3rd one actually.

robert rodriguez who made the mexico trilogy Razz


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