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Syd Lexia
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Nintendo has already announced they're expecting another drop in profits in 2010. A mere $2.1 billion.
And come on, we all know we're going to see the long awaited Fairchild Channel G. It's gonna rule. |
Just because they say they're expecting one doesn't mean they're actually expecting one. See, you tell the shareholders you're expecting 2.1 billion. Then, when you hit 2.4 again, and exceed your "expectations", the shareholders are ecstatic.
And seriously, Atari has a nextgen system coming out: http://history.sydlexia.com/index.php?title=Atari_Moritat
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sidewaydriver
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I hear Atari is supposed to officially unviel the console at this year's E3, they say it's going to revolutionlize the gaming industry. I believe them too, I just saw the teaser trailor for Moon Patrol: Reloaded, I think this game is going to be Atari's Halo killer.
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...that's a damned lie!
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Andrew Man
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 You guys I am way too tired to get sarcasm, you almost tricked me.
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I thought Atari was going to market to a select group. Nintendo got non-gamers, but Atari was planning to attract elder single women looking for younger men with their new Atari Cougar.
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| The new 3D Breakout is going to absolutely revolutionize the genre. |
It's going to take the paddleball genre and turn it on the other side of it's ball and paddle completely.
Seriously thought, Adventure HD is what I'm waiting for. It'll blow everything out of the water.
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Ermac
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only thing about the Wii is that I feel some of the games are overpriced considering some came out like 20 years ago.
I will pay 1,99 for a NES game and 2.99 for a SNES game. I am not paying more than 5 dollars for old games I paid 50 for when they came out. I also dont like they idea that the games probably won't transfer to the next gen nintendo console.
The WiiStore is probably the biggest buttfuck possible yet it brings in money.
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Syd Lexia
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I agree. If you're going to combat piracy, you need to offer competitive prices. Obviously, nohing is going to ever beat free, but $8 for a SNES game? I'm not going to pay $8 for a game that I've already played, possibly already owned, and that I could just as easily pirate with no personal consequence.
And Nintendo needs to do something about transfer of ownership. Microsoft lets you move ownership of virtual content from one console to another once per year, and I think you can actually appeal for more moves if you console breaks or something. That seems reasonable. As of right now, Nintendo doesn't let you move ownership of your DSi DLC to a DSi XL, if you decided to upgrade. This is inexcusable, especially since Nintendo lets you register your products online with them. I can understand if they want to set the limit at one of each device, so that if I have five children I can't register five regular DSI systems and then share the DLC between all five systems, but when a new system comes out, I should be able to move the old content to it.
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GPFontaine
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It wouldn't be so hard to use the STEAM ownership model for DLC.
You sign in before you play a game. If you have rights to it, you get access. If you don't, you either buy the game or don't play it. They sell packs of games at discount prices once in a while and people go frigg'n nuts. The access follows the user. So you can sit at any console and play your games.
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Syd Lexia
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The Steam model sucks, and wouldn't work for a handheld system, at least not until the entire fucking world is Wi-Fi ready. And what if the only reason I'm playing games at that moment is because the internet is down? Then I guess I'm fucked, huh? Fuck that.
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GPFontaine
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| The Steam model sucks, and wouldn't work for a handheld system, at least not until the entire fucking world is Wi-Fi ready. And what if the only reason I'm playing games at that moment is because the internet is down? Then I guess I'm fucked, huh? Fuck that. |
Your post shows that you clearly don't understand the model.
Steam games CAN be played without internet access as long as the developer of the game doesn't make it a particular requirement (e.g. Assassin's Creed 2 DRM).
Authentication happens first at the server but can default back to the machine's cache if it can't be reached.
Also, it wouldn't work with current game systems, but that isn't to say that future game system's wouldn't be better suited to offer a different approach. Imagine a system that has a USB or Ethernet port on it for tethering to a network or computer to gain IP access in addition to WiFi. Also, 3G support is something that is growing.
I certainly don't expect it in the next generation of systems, but to think that this model is so bad for 2-3 years down the road seems a bit blindsided.
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Syd Lexia
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| Your post shows that you clearly don't understand the model. |
Then you explained it very poorly. Shame on you.
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| You sign in before you play a game. If you have rights to it, you get access. If you don't, you either buy the game or don't play it. The access follows the user. |
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GPFontaine
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| GPFontaine wrote: |
| Your post shows that you clearly don't understand the model. |
Then you explained it very poorly. Shame on you.
| GPFontaine wrote: |
| You sign in before you play a game. If you have rights to it, you get access. If you don't, you either buy the game or don't play it. The access follows the user. |
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You can have cached sign-ins that will work in offline mode as long as you have played a game one time on-line. You really should get a single STEAM game so you can just see it in action.
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Syd Lexia
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So does it essentially work like this?
1. You sign into Steam, thus authenticating that you have the right to play your digital games on a particular computer.
2. You are logged out of any other computer that is online and logged into your account, deauthenticating their ability to play those games.
3. Until a computer that you're authorized on gets a server signal deauthenticating your usage, that computer has access to those games.
If so, that seems entirely reasonable and intelligent.
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sidewaydriver
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Isn't it saved to the store when you buy a game? I know on the PSN it has an icon next to the things you've bought so you can redownload them if you need to. Couldn't they just have the same store for the next console and have all your things ready for you to download on the new console?
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Syd Lexia
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Nintendo tracks your purchases, via Club Nintendo (formerly MyNintendo). So yes, you can redownload VC and WiiWare titles you've deleted without rebuying them. For some reason though, Nintendo has not chose to use this feature to let you import DSi DLC purchases to a new DSi XL. And that's bullshit.
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GPFontaine
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
So does it essentially work like this?
1. You sign into Steam, thus authenticating that you have the right to play your digital games on a particular computer.
2. You are logged out of any other computer that is online and logged into your account, deauthenticating their ability to play those games.
3. Until a computer that you're authorized on gets a server signal deauthenticating your usage, that computer has access to those games.
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
There are a few problems with this model, but they aren't the typical ones.
I feel as though ownership of media should extend to dependents and spouses. Pretty much if you claim people on your tax form, they should be able to share video games with you. It frustrates me that my wife doesn't have access to the same games list that I do. While I trust her with my account, I wouldn't trust young children that I someday hope to have. I would want to give them access, but only to certain games on a sub-account, also I wouldn't want kids to be able to buy every game that they see. I see this as a feature that is needed in order for STEAM to grow as big as consoles.
Other than that, it is pretty damn cool being able to download any of my games anywhere that I am and not have to worry about finding CD keys, patching, or most hardware requirements. STEAM does it for you.
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Andrew Man
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Nintendo Demi-God, Iwata, talks about recently "falling profits".
http://wii.ign.com/articles/108/1088765p1.html
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Wii sold 20.53 million units last year, down from 25.95 million of the year prior. The company expects the system to drop even further this year, to 18 million units.
So is Wii on the way out? Based off Nintendo CEO Satoru Iwata's comments during a recent investors Q&A session, this is not the case.
"We believe there's still more we can do with the Wii," Iwata said when an analyst asked him about the release of a Wii successor. On the possibility of Nintendo limiting its Wii resources in favor of development for a new console, he said, "We are in no way thinking 'the Wii is near the end of its platform cycle so we will limit our investments.'"
Iwata defended the lowered sales estimates. "The target of 18 million units that we gave for this term is itself a high target when you consider that four years have passed since the system's release," he said.
Wii has topped the 70 million mark worldwide and is now Nintendo's top selling console of all time. |
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Syd Lexia
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| GPFontaine wrote: |
| I feel as though ownership of media should extend to dependents and spouses. Pretty much if you claim people on your tax form, they should be able to share video games with you. It frustrates me that my wife doesn't have access to the same games list that I do. While I trust her with my account, I wouldn't trust young children that I someday hope to have. I would want to give them access, but only to certain games on a sub-account, also I wouldn't want kids to be able to buy every game that they see. I see this as a feature that is needed in order for STEAM to grow as big as consoles. |
Think of it this way. You have two kids. You buy them each a DS. You buy them a single copy of Pokemon. Both them have access to the game, but only one can play it at a time. I have no problem with digital games having the same limitations as physical ones, especially when physical media is still a viable outlet.
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GPFontaine
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| GPFontaine wrote: |
| I feel as though ownership of media should extend to dependents and spouses. Pretty much if you claim people on your tax form, they should be able to share video games with you. It frustrates me that my wife doesn't have access to the same games list that I do. While I trust her with my account, I wouldn't trust young children that I someday hope to have. I would want to give them access, but only to certain games on a sub-account, also I wouldn't want kids to be able to buy every game that they see. I see this as a feature that is needed in order for STEAM to grow as big as consoles. |
Think of it this way. You have two kids. You buy them each a DS. You buy them a single copy of Pokemon. Both them have access to the game, but only one can play it at a time. I have no problem with digital games having the same limitations as physical ones, especially when physical media is still a viable outlet. |
The difference is that they both have access but must share. I would be fine with only one instance of a game being usable without multiple licenses in a sub-account environment. That seems very reasonable.
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UsaSatsui
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| Wii has topped the 70 million mark worldwide and is now Nintendo's top selling console of all time. |
This is true, but really consoles are only a fraction of the business. The numbers on Nintendo's handhelds absolutely wreck the numbers on their consoles.
Nintendo could probably drop out of the console business altogether and still make bazillions.
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Andrew Man
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| Wii has topped the 70 million mark worldwide and is now Nintendo's top selling console of all time. |
This is true, but really consoles are only a fraction of the business. The numbers on Nintendo's handhelds absolutely wreck the numbers on their consoles.
Nintendo could probably drop out of the console business altogether and still make bazillions. |
Oh, most certainly. I was just relaying the related news.
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GPFontaine
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| UsaSatsui wrote: |
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| Wii has topped the 70 million mark worldwide and is now Nintendo's top selling console of all time. |
This is true, but really consoles are only a fraction of the business. The numbers on Nintendo's handhelds absolutely wreck the numbers on their consoles.
Nintendo could probably drop out of the console business altogether and still make bazillions. |
I would be interested to know the profit margins on a DS vs a Wii. I imagine they are both relatively low. Computer hardware is cheap, but the $100-$200 for console/handhelds have got to be close to the actual cost of production.
The real money is in the games and accessories.
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Syd Lexia
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Nintendo has turned a profit on all Wii hardware sales since launch. I don't know what their numbers are now, but Sony and MS were losing money on each console sale at launch.
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