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Title: owner of a lonely heart
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| Spanish Meatloaf wrote: |
| This is what happens when you sell the wii to everyone in the world, and you suddenly find out that no one wants to buy two. |
"Uh guys, everyone in the world already has a Wii. How can we make more money?"
"We could make a new console!"
"No... too much R&D."
"We could make the exact same thing... only black."
"I like it!" |
GET ME 2. ONE FOR EACH HAND
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| I'll eat a turkey sandwich while blowing my load |
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Syd Lexia
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| Mr. Bomberman wrote: |
Watch their profits rise like an erection during the summer and when the 3DS comes out later this year.
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This is also a valid point. Metroid, and Galaxy 2 will make them a mint and revive interest in the console. I'm also really excited for Sin & Punishment 2. I'm annoyed that Nintendo pushed back the release dates on Metroid and S&P2, but I can understand why they did it.
As for game libraries, a console only needs to average 1.5 must-have game releases per month, because that's all the average person plays on any given console. And for all this talk of Wiis that sit around collecting dust, what about all the 360s and PS3s out there that are dedicated Call of Duty machines? We hear all this talk about how third party titles do better on the 360 and PS3, but the truth is, a lot of them don't. A lot of great games end up in bargain bins within months of their release. Like say, Brutal Legend. Great game, one of the most imaginative games in years, and it didn't come anywhere close to cracking the sales figures of recyclyed crap like Rock Band #4, Guitar Hero #10, Call of Duty #18, or Madden #47.
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Slayer1
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| We hear all this talk about how third party titles do better on the 360 and PS3, but the truth is, a lot of them don't. A lot of great games end up in bargain bins within months of their release. Like say, Brutal Legend. Great game, one of the most imaginative games in years, and it didn't come anywhere close to cracking the sales figures of recyclyed crap like Rock Band #4, Guitar Hero #10, Call of Duty #18, or Madden #47. |
I agree with this... I picked up Just Cause 2 and the first day I start playing it, the guys in the house are like "Dude this games sucks, put in some fucking Call of Duty" or I'll be playing some Classic Jojo and they'll be like "What the fuck is this? Let's play some Nazi Zombies"
I saw Brutal Legend at Sears the other day for twenty bucks, yet I never picked it up only because I grabbed Wolfenstien, Wet, Hot Shots Golf all for five bucks. I'm telling you... it's the freaking Frat Boy syndrome
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First things first, Sonic Unleashed was cool (except the werewarewirehog)
Second, I agree with Mother 3 getting ported here. (which apparently will never happen, according to the dudes at actionbutton.net)
Third, Ninty will pull through. Millions will buy the 3DS, but something is concerning. The Wii's main hook was that it was aimed for non-players (THOSE CASUALS!!!!!!!!!) and it was cheap. Can they get people to do this a second time with their next console? Anyways, seems like nintendo is still doing fine. And oh yeah, I always wanted them to revive franchises. What the hell is DK doing these years? What about Captain Falcon? At least they tried their hand at another Punch-Out!, I guess.
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Syd Lexia
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The worst of Nintendo's problem are over. The N64 era was their worst time financially, and they didn't come anywhere close to death then.
Word on the street is that Nintendo may be unveiling its nextgen console soon. A new Nintendo trademark for something called "Power Wii" was discovered in mid-March and it is expected that this is the developmental name for their nextgen. And for those of you whining that seems to signal that motion controls will continue... TOO BAD. Sony and Microsoft have developed huge boners for motion controls as well, and will be showing off their motion controls at E3.
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Unykle Broh
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I know people who work at NOA; trust me, the company is just fine financially. The overall profits may have fallen this year, but it was still something like the third most profitable year ever for the company. And that's with a less than stellar economy.
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Syd Lexia
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Also keep in mind that Nintendo had no killer apps last year. Here's what we got in 2009:
==WII==
New Play Control! Mario Tennis
New Play Control! Pikmin
New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Punch-Out!
Wii Sports Resort
Metroid Prime Trilogy
Wii Fit Plus
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games
==DS==
Bowser's Inside Story
Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games
Not exactly a stunning line-up. You've got two must own games in Bowser's Inside Story and Punch Out, and a minor classic in New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and the cult classic Professor Layton. And then you've got the "you need to buy this, because a lot of games are probably going to use Wii Motion Plus" purchase that was Wii Sports Resort. Then you've got four lazy repackages, a crappy Mario/Sonic game, and Wii Fit 2. The fact that Nintendo did as well as they did with that line-up is rather impressive.
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Ba'al
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Motion controls....blargh.....if Sony and M$ decide to change up entirely and make Wii-clones I'll be done with current-gen gaming.
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GPFontaine
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For those who keep pointing at the idea that Nintendo is fine and isn't going broke... no one said they were. When companies have changes in profit it usually means something and it usually causes change. That is why it is significant. No one is worried that Nintendo may not be here tomorrow.
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Syd Lexia
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| For those who keep pointing at the idea that Nintendo is fine and isn't going broke... no one said they were. When companies have changes in profit it usually means something and it usually causes change. That is why it is significant. No one is worried that Nintendo may not be here tomorrow. |
Nintendo's profits fell 12% from their best year ever. And as someone pointed out, this was still one of their top three years in terms of profit. I don't think anyone at Nintendo expected profits to rise every year forever and ever; that would be stupid. As for changes, changes are already on the way. Are they a kneejerk reaction to OMG LESS PROFIT THAN LAST YEAR? No, they're not. They are part of Nintendo's longterm strategy. The 3DS is on the way, and likely a new console too. A console's average lifespan is 5-6 years. The Wii is at the end of this cycle, and Nintendo realizes this.
So yes, this story is absolutely meaningless and your continued attempts to prove that it's not are flawed and futile. The story also fails to offer any sort of comparison. Namely, was this dip in profits exclusive to Nintendo? What were Sony and Microsoft's overall profits on video game hardware and the titles they published for this hardware? By what percentage did these profits increase or decrease?
Ba'al, have you seen the Sony wand? It looks retarded.
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Ba'al
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It looks like a dildo, a retarded dildo.
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GPFontaine
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| GPFontaine wrote: |
| For those who keep pointing at the idea that Nintendo is fine and isn't going broke... no one said they were. When companies have changes in profit it usually means something and it usually causes change. That is why it is significant. No one is worried that Nintendo may not be here tomorrow. |
Nintendo's profits fell 12% from their best year ever. And as someone pointed out, this was still one of their top three years in terms of profit. I don't think anyone at Nintendo expected profits to rise every year forever and ever; that would be stupid. As for changes, changes are already on the way. Are they a kneejerk reaction to OMG LESS PROFIT THAN LAST YEAR? No, they're not. They are part of Nintendo's longterm strategy. The 3DS is on the way, and likely a new console too. A console's average lifespan is 5-6 years. The Wii is at the end of this cycle, and Nintendo realizes this.
So yes, this story is absolutely meaningless and your continued attempts to prove that it's not are flawed and futile. The story also fails to offer any sort of comparison. Namely, was this dip in profits exclusive to Nintendo? What were Sony and Microsoft's overall profits on video game hardware and the titles they published for this hardware? By what percentage did these profits increase or decrease? |
If you re-read what I said, I think you actually agree with me. I used a double negative that I think you missed.
Here is what I was trying to say:
The article is interesting because reductions in profit often times result in changes. Nintendo hasn't shown many changes in the last year. It will be interesting to see what they do. I do not think that Nintendo is in financial trouble.
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Syd Lexia
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What I got from your post is that you think Nintendo has been sitting around doing nothing and that this dip in profits will somehow light a fire under their asses to do something about said dip in profits. I wholly reject that notion. Aside from the SNES, which was hastily thrown together (and still arguably the best 16-bit console released) Nintendo is always working on something, and always has longterm strategies. Media leaks forced Nintendo to reluctantly admit that they're working on the 3DS and a new console is heavily speculated to be in the works too. These aren't projects that suddenly sprung up out of nowhere when the numbers came out. These were ideas Nintendo came up when their numbers were strong. In fact, it could be argued that that's why Nintendo's 2009 lineup was so weak - because they were spending more time and resources on building up strong lineups for 2010 and 2011.
You think it will be interesting to how these numbers effect Nintendo and bring about change. They won't. Nintendo has a strategy for the forseeable future, and has had one since they first announced the second wave of Mario-Zelda-Metroid for the Wii. Zelda is expected to ship in November, and will likely be the first party swan swon for the console, with the new console launching by Summer '11.
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UsaSatsui
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Lower profits are only a problem when said lower profits are not expected.
With the Wii price drop, and no real must-have games, the profit drop is not exactly a surprise. They were expecting it, and they're expecting it next year too. So I don't see any reason for change.
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Syd Lexia
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Actually, 2010 is looking great for Nintendo. HeartGold and SoulSilver have already made a mint, and Galaxy and Metroid will print more money. Zelda Wii, if it does indeed come out this year, will print even more. And North America is supposed to finally get the Black Wii/Sports Resort bundle this summer.
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ugh, hopefully this doesnt happen:
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Miyamoto: Nintendo Considering Premium, Paid Online Services
Sony started off with an entirely free online service unlike Microsoft, which has always required that gamers with the desire to play online pay a fee. We've recently begun to hear rumblings and gotten hints that Sony might add a premium subscription service to the PlayStation Network. We might begin to hear those same sorts of rumors from Nintendo soon, as the head of Nintendo's Entertainment Analysis and Development division, Shigeru Miyamoto, has suggested that Nintendo should be investigating the possibility of charging gamers for certain online services.
"...Probably the other thing that we are desperate to realize is the core [online] business structure," he told Edge. "Do we need to demand customers pay monthly fees to enjoy online activities? Or give an online subscription that is free of charge, but then offer something extra for people that pay, so that they get some extra value? With these core business strategies I think we are less active than we should be."
That of course doesn't mean he endorses a pay-to-play-online strategy or that it's something Nintendo is actively looking into; in fact, it sounds very much like it's not something Nintendo has spent much time thinking about, so don't expect to be forking over money for anything other than games on the Wii or DS anytime soon.
While they might not have spent much time dealing with that particular aspect of online, Miyamoto resents the implication that Nintendo hasn't done much at all with the online space. He said, "To be honest, I think it's rather unfair whenever I hear such comments -- that Nintendo isn't proactive when it comes to its online strategy. The fact of the matter is that we always want all Wii consoles to be connected online, all the time, so Nintendo has never been less than proactive in that kind of endeavor."
"It is true, though, that Nintendo hasn't been very proactive in developing such online activities as an MMOG," he continued. "But when it comes to our endeavors that try to take advantage of internet technology, where we can provide our customers with more fun and entertainment, then I think we can say we have been very, very proactive and well-received. And that attitude won't be changed at all in the future.?
Who wants to sign up for an online Wii or DS service if it simply means ditching friend codes? |
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3179183
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sidewaydriver
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You guys just don't get it. Nintendo is hanging on by a thread. By the end of this year, Sega will come out of nowhere with a new console that'll deliver the final nail in Nintendo's coffin.
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Syd Lexia
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I would gladly pay money for a Nintendo online service if it was implemented as well as XBox Live is. Gladly.
And sideway, you're wrong. It's Atari who's going to win the nextgen console wars, barely edging out Coleco.
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I'm really looking forward to the new PacMan game they have planned for the next gen Atari...
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Syd Lexia
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Pac-Man World: Ghosts of the Past? Yeah, that looks bad-ass. It's a little early to say, but it looks like a highly improved version of Pac-Man World 2, which is what Pac-Man World 3 *should* have been, but wasn't. The gun-based levels look a little weird, but I'm willing to give Namco the benefit of the doubt.
The game that looks like it'll REALLY be the star of the nextgen Atari thus far is Missile Command: Scions of the Apocalypse. Missile Command reimagined as a Metal Gear Solid rip-off should offend me on about twenty different levels - especially since I can't stand MGS - but it actually looks really cool. Here's hoping they keep the cut scenes on the short side.
Breakout 3D might be cool too.
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Andrew Man
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
I would gladly pay money for a Nintendo online service if it was implemented as well as XBox Live is. Gladly.
And sideway, you're wrong. It's Atari who's going to win the nextgen console wars, barely edging out Coleco. |
No, you're both wrong. I have sound information from trusted sources on the inside that Mattel is putting out an Intellivision 2. It will murder all of the competition.
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Andrew Man
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
I would gladly pay money for a Nintendo online service if it was implemented as well as XBox Live is. Gladly.
And sideway, you're wrong. It's Atari who's going to win the nextgen console wars, barely edging out Coleco. |
No, you're both wrong. I have sound information from trusted sources on the inside that Mattel is putting out an Intellivision 2. It will murder all of the competition. |
No.
Magnavox is making a comeback with it's new, HD. Ultra Odyssey.
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3DS is very good, and Wii U!
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UsaSatsui
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| Actually, 2010 is looking great for Nintendo. HeartGold and SoulSilver have already made a mint, and Galaxy and Metroid will print more money. Zelda Wii, if it does indeed come out this year, will print even more. And North America is supposed to finally get the Black Wii/Sports Resort bundle this summer. |
Nintendo has already announced they're expecting another drop in profits in 2010. A mere $2.1 billion.
And come on, we all know we're going to see the long awaited Fairchild Channel G. It's gonna rule.
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