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The reason assassins exist: televangelists


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SoldierHawk
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PostPosted: May 04 2010 04:39 am Reply with quote Back to top

Specifically this fucker, Peter Popoff (that's really his name, I swear):

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So I can't sleep and I'm up watching TV tonight. Of course since its late, a lot of the channels (especially the higher ones) are nothing but extended infomercials. Which is fine, I mean whatever. I don't watch them, but they're mostly pretty harmless (and sometimes quite entertaining, especially the ones that show black and white footage of a clearly retarded person failing at some insanely simple act, like peeling a potato.)

Anyway I'm flipping channels and I see the above dude hawking a cure for debt. I assumed it was one of those debt-consolidation things, but no. He's apparently some kind of "reverend." And he's touting a magic cure for debt. Those are his words directly from the commercial, not mine. Magic. You call his number, give him money, and he'll send you a vial of 'holy spring water' and some prayer cards. You are then supposed to sprinkle the water on your bills and pray over them. Your debt will then magically be taken care of.

Literally, that is this guy's pitch. He shows a bunch of "testimony" from people who supposedly completed the above steps, and then--out of the blue--received notices that their hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt (to credit cards, the IRS all sorts of places) had been paid. Just like that. Sprinkle water, pray, wait a week, receive mysterious notice from companies that all your debt has been paid.

So now I'm sitting here trying to decide if I should throw up, or just have a nice little hernia from being so furious. I hate televangelists in general, and I hate people who use God as a front for money. That pisses me off enough. But this was so blatant, SO disgusting, and...I dunno, I guess so down right cynical and mean spirited in the way its clearly designed to take money from the poorest, most gullible and most uneducated segment of the population. It. Makes. Me. SICK. (Now granted you'd have to be a fool to fall for this douchebag, but that's why this shit is so insidious--it preys on complete and abject desperation.)

I did some research on the guy and no surprise, he's been exposed as a fake faith healer, an embezzler, the whole nine yards. I suppose he's still allowed to pull this crap because of the First Amendment, but c'mon...God magically paying off your debt? Really? REALLY??

Anyway, apologies for the vitrol. Just had to get that off my chest.

*deep breath*
/rant


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Neutral-Bob
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PostPosted: May 04 2010 04:57 am Reply with quote Back to top

I can understand your dislike for him. Guys like that are just generally disgusting and as long as they are allowed to sale their wares they'll manage to get away with it. I'm not an especially religious person however using someones deepest beliefs as a means for monetary gain is just flat out messed up. No matter what you believe, stuff like religion should never be handled lightly. While most of the people who fall for this are going to be desperate and simple you have to take into account how deeply they believe in this stuff.

Anyway I know what you're talking about. Stuff like this is one of the reasons I hardly watch TV anymore.


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PostPosted: May 04 2010 05:34 am Reply with quote Back to top

I have the cure. Next time you have insomnia come in the IRC chat. While you were watching that we had a debate about gay marriage that would have put you out like a light.

And yeah, this guy's a scumbag.


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Atma
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PostPosted: May 04 2010 06:00 am Reply with quote Back to top

Couldn't agree more. This is the Shit that makes my stomach turn. Anyone who preys on someone's desperation, or beliefs is the biggest scum of this Earth. There are people out there who will see that, and due to their beliefs will jump on this. Out-Fucking-Ragious. I hope I read about that bastard getting his legs stuck in a woodchipper filled with fire-ants.
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PostPosted: May 04 2010 08:59 am Reply with quote Back to top

I guess the guy has a right to air it but what channel would broadcast this shit?


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PostPosted: May 04 2010 10:04 am Reply with quote Back to top

Bret Michaels wrote:
Well I see him on the TV
Preaching 'bout the promised lands
He tell me believe in Jesus
Steals the money from my hands
Some'd say he was a good man
Lord, I think I think he's sinning...
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PostPosted: May 04 2010 10:21 am Reply with quote Back to top

I love televangelists who ask for money in the name of god.

They have milked the old saying, "a fool and his money are soon parted", for all it's worth.

My question to anyone who would ever think about sending them money:

"What does god need money for?"
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PostPosted: May 04 2010 10:52 am Reply with quote Back to top

god needs money for his drug habit. DUH

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Atma
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PostPosted: May 04 2010 11:16 am Reply with quote Back to top

Heres the link. Crazy how he can get away with taking advantage of people. Look at the packet the "Miracle Water" comes in.
http://www.peterpopoffministries.com/index.php
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PostPosted: May 04 2010 11:27 am Reply with quote Back to top

Atma84 wrote:
Heres the link. Crazy how he can get away with taking advantage of people. Look at the packet the "Miracle Water" comes in.
http://www.peterpopoffministries.com/index.php

Yeah. I could only stomach about two minutes of poking around his website before I had to call it quits. Ugh.

And Klimb, my summer resolution is to spend more time in the chat before I head off to OTC. Promise.


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PostPosted: May 04 2010 12:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

SoldierHawk wrote:
Atma84 wrote:
Heres the link. Crazy how he can get away with taking advantage of people. Look at the packet the "Miracle Water" comes in.
http://www.peterpopoffministries.com/index.php

Yeah. I could only stomach about two minutes of poking around his website before I had to call it quits. Ugh.

And Klimb, my summer resolution is to spend more time in the chat before I head off to OTC. Promise.

Guess I've got half a reason to go back in the IRC Razz

This guy... he's unfucking believable. I swear most of these Televangalists are nothing more the glorified cultist leaders out to lead sheep to the slaughter.

I say we start our own cult, with blackjack and hookers. In fact forget the cult!
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PostPosted: May 04 2010 07:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Slayer1 wrote:
SoldierHawk wrote:
Atma84 wrote:
Heres the link. Crazy how he can get away with taking advantage of people. Look at the packet the "Miracle Water" comes in.
http://www.peterpopoffministries.com/index.php

Yeah. I could only stomach about two minutes of poking around his website before I had to call it quits. Ugh.

And Klimb, my summer resolution is to spend more time in the chat before I head off to OTC. Promise.

Guess I've got half a reason to go back in the IRC Razz

This guy... he's unfucking believable. I swear most of these Televangalists are nothing more the glorified cultist leaders out to lead sheep to the slaughter.

I say we start our own cult, with blackjack and hookers. In fact forget the cult!


Blackjack and Hookers! I'm in.
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PostPosted: May 04 2010 09:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

First amendment rights should not be the issue here because he's selling a product that cannot by its nature perform the action that its supposed to do, but yeah, athiests have been complaining about the glorified con artists that are televangelists for years now, and anything you see on TV is three times as bad in Africa, where predatory religion is a big nasty business.


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PostPosted: May 04 2010 09:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I occasionally get letters in the mail that have prayer mats you are supposed to kneel on and pray so your debt will go away or you'll magically come in to money, but at least those are free.



 
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PostPosted: May 04 2010 10:08 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Slayer1 wrote:
I say we start our own cult, with blackjack and hookers. In fact forget the cult!

"In fact forget the blackjack...awww...screw the whole thing"


Let me be the first to say that not all televangelists are bad. Billy Graham for example...is fucking awesome, had a chance to meet him when I was younger and he's an extremely good person.

However for every one good, you have 100 bad. I grew up in a very relgious household, and my grandmother would keep the station on TBN and believe all the bullshit that these guys would say. My father (who is a pastor) usually just laughed it off when a lot of these guys claimed they had the power of God to heal...they were a vessel of God...yadda yadda.

It's really a fucking shame too, because these assholes are taking advantage of the poor people who trust in them ( I wouldn't be surprised if my grandmother spent more money on these guys then her own grandchildren). Having faith is an incredible thing (I don't have any) and for people to prey on those who do is just sick. I have no problem with religion, in fact I endorse it if it makes you a better person, however I recall the Orel Robers fiasco from the 80's for example and have to wonder. I guess it's the peoples' choice to give these assholes money, I mean no one feels sorry for the poor schmuck who loses at "3 Card Monty" on the street.

The one guy I truly hate with a passion is Benny Hinn, who I always felt was going to have his own Jonestown moment, and after I saw how much money he's accumulated...it's ridiculous. He's the worst in my eyes.

*edit: I should note that Billy Graham isn't really a televangelist, but a lot of comparisons have been made*
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PostPosted: May 04 2010 11:36 pm Reply with quote Back to top

As someone who does have faith I find the utterly depraved amount of hypocrisy in hawking trinkets that supposedly function as a get out of jail free card from The Almighty to the destitute and ignorant shamefully disgusting.



 
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PostPosted: May 05 2010 12:27 am Reply with quote Back to top

I so agree Dodd. However, I don't think its fair to even breathe Billy Grahm's name in the same sentence as these fucks, or to imply that the same label fits. (Not that you were, but as you noted, a lot of people seem to think he does the same thing.)

Billy is a genuine reverend and humanitarian who happens to use television to get his message out. He is so much infinitely more than pricks who are nothing more than TV pitchmen using religion for their own selfish ends.


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