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Joined: Mar 01 2010 Posts: 126

Honestly, if you're that serious about playing your old games, then either you get the adapter to make it work or you make sure you get a TV that will work with your console.
The fact that the guy's consoles don't work with his TV seems very strange to me though, since the console's video output is completely independent of the display itself.
I still play my SNES hooked up to my 40" LCD and I've played NES on it a fair bit as well, but past-generation consoles are made to be displayed on interlaced displays, and as such, they do look better on a CRT TV. But when it comes to HD-enabled consoles, there really is a big difference betweed SD and HD. And when it comes to playing online, the wider aspect ratio of HD screens gives you a big advantage over someone playing in SD.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Apr 17 2010 09:47 am

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Edit: I love LCD TVs so much except for the fact that they cannot play Super Scope games. I guess a CRT HDTV would be a reasonable compromise, though.

And horribly, horribly expensive. And heavy. There's a reason why LCD TVs took over the market like wildfire. They're light, cheap, and look good.

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If you know how to take care of something it'll last forever. Carts included

BZZZZZT! Wrong!

Joined: Feb 22 2010 Posts: 351

Bzzt right

even if you beat the shit out of an NES Cart

They still work.

So I AM RIGHT

Posted: Apr 17 2010 10:18 am

Godofhardcore wrote:

jackfrost wrote:

If you look in the classifieds chances are you can get a decent CRT cheap. I bought a 36" for my spare bedroom for next to nothing a couple years back. It is my retro room, so it seemed fitting.

And Alowishus, as far as worrying about playing your NES games 30 years from now the TV is not what you should be worrying about. Video game cartridges were not meant to last forever you know. If they do work by that time you should consider yourself lucky, they will be 50 years old. A lot of hardcore Atari collectors copy rare games to another media or release them to the gaming community for preservation purposes, not for piracy. Several Atari prototypes have been lost to the ages from bit rot, and that is eventually going to happen to NES games as well.

Advances in technology are a good thing. Otherwise you wouldn't even have home video games in the first place or a forum to discuss them on for that matter.

If you know how to take care of something it'll last forever. Carts included

No, they won't. Bit rot is inevitable. You can make them last last longer, but not forever.

Joined: Feb 22 2010 Posts: 351

Did you even watch the video?

and more so.... do you even know what bit rot is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_rot

NES Carts were not programed to EPROM that video proves it as prolonged exposure to day light will erase an EPROM.

I'm looking up exactly what nintendo used in their carts, I know it's some sort of ROM possibly PROM but I'm not sure

Joined: Aug 04 2009 Posts: 2515

jackfrost wrote:

If you look in the classifieds chances are you can get a decent CRT cheap. I bought a 36" for my spare bedroom for next to nothing a couple years back. It is my retro room, so it seemed fitting.

And Alowishus, as far as worrying about playing your NES games 30 years from now the TV is not what you should be worrying about. Video game cartridges were not meant to last forever you know. If they do work by that time you should consider yourself lucky, they will be 50 years old. A lot of hardcore Atari collectors copy rare games to another media or release them to the gaming community for preservation purposes, not for piracy. Several Atari prototypes have been lost to the ages from bit rot, and that is eventually going to happen to NES games as well.

Advances in technology are a good thing. Otherwise you wouldn't even have home video games in the first place or a forum to discuss them on for that matter.

I wasn't aware of this.

My point is is that in the future you will either have to find an old television to play them on or you will have to use your new HD or whatever is big in the future television and have extras on it just to play them.

Either way you are having to spend more money. The TVs you have now won't last forever they will blow eventually.

Posted: Apr 17 2010 12:40 pm

UsaSatsui wrote:

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Edit: I love LCD TVs so much except for the fact that they cannot play Super Scope games. I guess a CRT HDTV would be a reasonable compromise, though.

And horribly, horribly expensive. And heavy. There's a reason why LCD TVs took over the market like wildfire. They're light, cheap, and look good.

Well, that's true. It's a hell of a lot easier to carry an LCD HDTV than a CRT HDTV. In fact, the weight of an LCD HDTV is in contrast of a CRT SDTV, depending on the sizes of the two.

But then there are the FED and SED sets, which are still under development by various companies. They are supposed to be run by a grid of mini cathode-tubes. I hope that, if you put a scaler to them, they could play light gun games.

Posted: Apr 17 2010 01:48 pm

Hardcore that was an awesome video

Posted: Apr 17 2010 01:59 pm

HD isn't a big deal to me, it's nice for a big sports game or something but my HD is my family's. My mom and sister control it, I can watch it with them but I'd rather watch my low-quality T.V. in the basement where I don't get asked 10 questions every 5 minutes.

I can definately tell the difference between the two though, HD just doesn't make a show like Law and Order SVU any more enjoyable than standard definition.

Posted: Apr 17 2010 06:26 pm

anorexorcist wrote:

I can definately tell the difference between the two though, HD just doesn't make a show like Law and Order SVU any more enjoyable than standard definition.

Same here, although, I like my new episodes of CSI: Miami, CSI: NY and CSI: Crime Scene Investigation in HD. Other than those, however, I can watch almost anything else in SD.

Video games are one thing that can easily stay in SD, especially retro games. I think we're advancing too fast on HD when it comes to something like that. I still like to play Nintendo, Sega and even Atari games.

Posted: Apr 17 2010 06:46 pm

that was a cool video hardcore. i thought her canadian accent was funny lol

and in terms of SD vs HD. i have both. i have a CRT SD tv in my room and the graphics look nice on my PS3, but it looks much much cleaner on my HD. it doesnt mean i dont enjoy my games on either one, but unfortunately its a natural progression of technology to upgrade to HD at some point in time.

and in terms of old games, i dont mind emulation done thru the wii or 360 or ps3. or even my comp. so im covered there

Joined: Feb 22 2010 Posts: 351

Anyways about the type of ROM in game carts I went to assembler they know their stuff when it comes to these things

here's what I was told

"Cartridges use MASK ROM, they are not subject to "bit rot" any more than a processor. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mask_rom

so the reason that these Atari prototypes are vanishing is becuase they were on Eproms.

Posted: Apr 17 2010 10:04 pm

Battery-based games WILL die on you though. They'll still play, but the save feature will not work. You can replace the battery though, if you're careful and you know what you're doing.

LCD-based games such as Game & Watch have a tendency to eventually start to leak. I don't know if it's possible to prevent this.

Posted: Apr 18 2010 12:28 am

Whenever I need my retro fix (whenever I'm not playing pokemon) I boot my DS flash card, or I could always actually pay for it on the Wii virtual console. Current gen retro gaming is the future I think. Super C is fucking hard... just saying, and I beat ninja gaiden when I was 8, so there. I'm sick of hearing that ninja gaiden is so damn hard and super c is so easy.

Joined: Feb 22 2010 Posts: 351

Syd Lexia wrote:

Battery-based games WILL die on you though. They'll still play, but the save feature will not work. You can replace the battery though, if you're careful and you know what you're doing.

LCD-based games such as Game & Watch have a tendency to eventually start to leak. I don't know if it's possible to prevent this.

That's true Capcom Arcade boards have been known to just die becasue of the battery but people have found ways to dump the game after the battery dies.

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Godofhardcore wrote:

Syd Lexia wrote:

Battery-based games WILL die on you though. They'll still play, but the save feature will not work. You can replace the battery though, if you're careful and you know what you're doing.

LCD-based games such as Game & Watch have a tendency to eventually start to leak. I don't know if it's possible to prevent this.

That's true Capcom Arcade boards have been known to just die becasue of the battery but people have found ways to dump the game after the battery dies.

My Legend of Zelda NES Cart battery save hasn't worked in like, 15 years. And I kept that thing dust free in a box.

Joined: Feb 22 2010 Posts: 351

I know there are some battery carts that STILL WORK amazingly

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that girl in the video has a hot voice.

Posted: Apr 19 2010 12:41 am

joshwoodzy wrote:

My Legend of Zelda NES Cart battery save hasn't worked in like, 15 years. And I kept that thing dust free in a box.

Batteries die eventually, regardless of usage. If you put battery-operated electronics into storage, remove any batteries that are in them first. If you don't, the batteries will eventually die. And depending on the type of battery, the acid in it will eventually eat through the battery casing, leak into your product, and render it unusable. I had a Furby die that way.

Joined: Mar 01 2010 Posts: 126

Syd Lexia wrote:

joshwoodzy wrote:

My Legend of Zelda NES Cart battery save hasn't worked in like, 15 years. And I kept that thing dust free in a box.

Batteries die eventually, regardless of usage. If you put battery-operated electronics into storage, remove any batteries that are in them first. If you don't, the batteries will eventually die. And depending on the type of battery, the acid in it will eventually eat through the battery casing, leak into your product, and render it unusable. I had a Furby die that way.

Why did you have a Furby in the first place?

Posted: Apr 19 2010 01:02 pm

In regards to that video: They tested the NES carts, claiming them to be superior to CDs and DVDs, however they didn't perform any test on the optical media.

I am almost certain, that the CD or DVD roms would pass every test other than the drill, and maybe the fall.

Maybe I should do a video response, testing this theory?

Posted: Apr 19 2010 01:18 pm

Do it Knyte. Though I don't know if it would survive the car.

Joined: Feb 22 2010 Posts: 351

yeah totally do it.

Posted: Apr 19 2010 02:50 pm

I think if the surface was flat enough, a car wouldn't kill a disc. Let me see what I can do.