so, i was reading this article on canadafreepress.com (some website i just learned about), and it makes me realize there is no middle ground w/this guy. you either hate him or like him (READ: been brainwashed by him).
am i correct to make this assumption? or am i just misinterpreting the situation? or is that the status quo w/ANY president we have?
Obama isn’t practicing diplomacy, because he doesn’t even understand what that is. Meanwhile, our allies are baffled and angered by an America that seems to be behaving completely irrationally from the perspective of a national government; But makes perfect sense for people who are not representing a country, but an ideology. And the result is an alchemy of enmity in which our enemies now both hate and despise us, while our friends are afraid of what we’re becoming.
Obama is playing Community Organizer at a global level, without understanding that at the global level, organizing is done along national lines. Like Carter before him, he is pathetically eager to sell out America to some global community that exists only as a progressive myth. And like Carter before him, he has already become a global failure.
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UsaSatsui
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Apr 11 2010 02:22 pm
It's pretty standard for any modern President.
You need to be a partisan to get elected, but half the people in this country hate a partisan.
And other countries will always, always, always bitch about the US president.
Obama isn’t practicing diplomacy, because he doesn’t even understand what that is. Meanwhile, our allies are baffled and angered by an America that seems to be behaving completely irrationally from the perspective of a national government; But makes perfect sense for people who are not representing a country, but an ideology. And the result is an alchemy of enmity in which our enemies now both hate and despise us, while our friends are afraid of what we’re becoming.
Obama is playing Community Organizer at a global level, without understanding that at the global level, organizing is done along national lines. Like Carter before him, he is pathetically eager to sell out America to some global community that exists only as a progressive myth. And like Carter before him, he has already become a global failure.
If you read that quote thoroughly it is as meaningless as if you read between the lines. Generalizing about a president doesn't do anything other than get people into heated debates about the leader's public image.
I know that I personally feel better about having Obama as a foreign representative than I did with Bush. I personally preferred Clinton to them both though. The issue at hand still remains that our domestic situation is so fucked up that an argument about foreign policy seems to just be a way to take the focus off of our core issues.
Anyone else still realize that healthcare, plane crashes, and democrats vs republicans isn't helping our unemployment rate?
We need to solve our energy problem. Yes, we need to fix the oil crisis that no one wants to talk directly about. We use it for heat, we use it for transportation, we use it for energy. It is what rules our world, and we don't own enough of it to keep a balanced economy. We have tried two wars to fix this issue and they both didn't seem to work, perhaps it is time to stop supporting our transportation industries by directly funding them in a way that leads to further usage of oil. Lets take some of those billions of dollars and research a way to fix this shit.
To this point, Obama is no different than any other president. They all avoid the real issues and skirt around them with political arguments about abortion, health care, and comparing penis size with rulers.
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Apr 11 2010 03:40 pm
Klimbatize wrote:
username wrote:
...and it makes me realize there is no middle ground w/this guy. you either hate him or like him (READ: been brainwashed by him).
Are you saying this is your interpretation of the article? Or you personally think if someone likes Obama they've been brainwashed?
im not sure what i meant by that. im kind of drunk still, so... yeah
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Apr 11 2010 03:46 pm
I think Reagan was the last president who wasn't completely polarizing. He was a genuinely nice guy and though he could throwdown politically when he had to, he was also willing to play both sides of the aisle. Reagan and Tip O'Neill didn't agree on much politically, but at the end of the day, when politics were done, they were both good old Irish boys and they had respect for each other. Reagan was also able to disarm his opponents with his sense of humor. He was able to get laughs out of both Carter and Mondale during the presidential debates. That's not to say Reagan didn't have his fair share of critics, but since he was able to win over important players like Sam Donaldson and Mike Wallace, he was able to often defuse those situations.
If it weren't for his one confirmed infidelity and the multiple other alleged ones, Bill Clinton could have been the Democrats' answer to Reagan. He was not quite as witty, but he was arguably more charismatic.
Cable news is at least partly to blame for the current state of politics. In the days Reagan and Tip O'Neill, you were a politican from 9-5, and the rest of the time you were a human being. These days, you're not allowed to be a human being. You have to be on message all the time, and if you amend your original stance in any way, you're weak. Also, there's not the respect there once was. The attacks are more personal than they once were. In 1980, Reagan challenged Carter claiming he had done a bad job as president. America agreed. If the 1980 election happened today, Carter would have been attacked not as a bad president, but as a bad human being who never should have been considered worthy of the presidency in the first place.
If the 1980 election happened today, Carter would have been attacked not as a bad president, but as a bad human being who never should have been considered worthy of the presidency in the first place.
And currently is. I find it disgusting, since the man has done more good with his post-Presidency than a lot of Presidents do during their term (including his own term).
Let's just cut to the chase: Obama is the worst/greatest/most average president of all time! Bush, on the other hand, is the worst/most underrated/shit.
I think Reagan was the last president who wasn't completely polarizing. He was a genuinely nice guy and though he could throwdown politically when he had to, he was also willing to play both sides of the aisle. Reagan and Tip O'Neill didn't agree on much politically, but at the end of the day, when politics were done, they were both good old Irish boys and they had respect for each other. Reagan was also able to disarm his opponents with his sense of humor. He was able to get laughs out of both Carter and Mondale during the presidential debates. That's not to say Reagan didn't have his fair share of critics, but since he was able to win over important players like Sam Donaldson and Mike Wallace, he was able to often defuse those situations.
If it weren't for his one confirmed infidelity and the multiple other alleged ones, Bill Clinton could have been the Democrats' answer to Reagan. He was not quite as witty, but he was arguably more charismatic.
Cable news is at least partly to blame for the current state of politics. In the days Reagan and Tip O'Neill, you were a politican from 9-5, and the rest of the time you were a human being. These days, you're not allowed to be a human being. You have to be on message all the time, and if you amend your original stance in any way, you're weak. Also, there's not the respect there once was. The attacks are more personal than they once were. In 1980, Reagan challenged Carter claiming he had done a bad job as president. America agreed. If the 1980 election happened today, Carter would have been attacked not as a bad president, but as a bad human being who never should have been considered worthy of the presidency in the first place.
Wow, I am in total agreement with Syd here on a political issue. Nothing else to say other than have a coke on me.
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Apr 12 2010 07:01 am
Don't have any view on your domestic issues, and frankly as an european your way to think about society & politics feels extremely different. To us, things like goverment-controlled health care and social security are more or less natural parts of capitalist state.
Anyway, I've been pleased with several things your current president has done abroad, as his whole attitude & aproach is a lot more constructive.
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Apr 12 2010 01:16 pm
Syd is right. Thats all I got to say.
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Apr 12 2010 02:57 pm
UsaSatsui wrote:
It's pretty standard for any modern President.
You need to be a partisan to get elected, but half the people in this country hate a partisan.
And other countries will always, always, always bitch about the US president.
I realized this long ago and decided to just stop worrying about it. These days, I don't even give any cable news the time of day.
I'm not a bad enough dude, but I am an edgy little shit. I'll do what I can.
