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Haiti, since no one else is bringing it up...


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JoshWoodzy
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2010 04:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Oh boy, these discussions are fun and dandy.


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2010 04:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Pandajuice wrote:


Don't they realize that NO ONE helped the USA when Katrina or the Northridge earthquake hit? p us.

That's just not true at all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

The deaths in Haiti are several times of both of those combined. If the united states suffered a disaster the magnitude of the Haiti quake several countries would come to our aid.

The economy of Haiti was far worse than the US prior to the quake and ignoring them now is irresponsible.


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2010 04:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I was just about to point out that even fucking Russia donated 600 gallons of drinking water during Katrina, not to mention Germany who donated 25 tons of food. A 5 second Google search will help prevent further embarrassing posts.


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2010 07:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Go eat a bunch of dicks Josh.

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The economy of Haiti was far worse than the US prior to the quake and ignoring them now is irresponsible.


Why is it irresponsible? Why is it our responsibility to come rushing to their aid?

And fine, let the governments throw some money and troops at the problem to gain some international favor, but why the fuck am I being told during NFL playoff games that I should donate? Why am I seeing forum threads popping up everywhere detailing all the ways I can contribute to the cause? Why is it the reponsibility of the US populace to come to the rescue when a lot of people can barely even pay their own bills.

That I'm not comfortable with and it annoys me. It's just yet more meddling that ends up never doing any good, and instead puts the country in an even worse position. Does no one remember Somalia? Or how Africa is not magically all better after billions of dollars dumped into it and is in fact, worse off than ever? I just worry that all this humanitarianism in unstable countries just ends up arming the opportunistic warlords and rebels so that they may further enslave the populace.
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2010 07:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Flaming me with dicks will solve nothing, my Fanta drinking friend. Laughing


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2010 10:44 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Even Mexico helped during Katrina. Mexico of all places. Too bad FEMA sucks cause Haiti got help quicker than new Orleans did.

My buddy has a 'theory' that there really wasn't an earthquake but some just took some shots with a digital camera and then shook the camera while recording so it looked like an earthquake was going on. And all the 'aftermath' footage is just what Haiti looked like last month. Obviously he is joking around, but we both agree that it's BS that suddenly everyone cares about Haiti and no one cared one month ago. It's not like Haiti was a paradise before this earthquake.


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2010 10:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm sorry but you just won't be able to convince me that simply ignoring the situation all together is the right decision.


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2010 10:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Optimist With Doubts wrote:
I'm sorry but you just won't be able to convince me that simply ignoring the situation all together is the right decision.

I agree. I'm a humanitarian and have donated money to several different causes. I just hate how it takes a disaster for anyone to care. Kind of like when celebrities start giving money to cancer research only because they got cancer


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PostPosted: Jan 22 2010 02:22 am Reply with quote Back to top

I'm high again in this thread, and I read about that shit again and am just pictuing a montage, like one of those football ones with all the big tackles, but with haiti, and some "rock you like a hurricane" sounding music playing.


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PostPosted: Jan 22 2010 07:37 am Reply with quote Back to top

Optimist With Doubts wrote:
I'm sorry but you just won't be able to convince me that simply ignoring the situation all together is the right decision.


Like I said, governments can give aid and do whatever they feel is necessary so I'm not advocating to just ignore it completely, but I don't like being bothered during NFL games, on every forum I go to, and at work by people urging me to donate money I don't really have to people I've never met or even care about as if it's my responsibility just because I have electricity.
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PostPosted: Jan 22 2010 08:51 am Reply with quote Back to top

I don't know, I don't really think the kind of help people are giving Haiti is the right kind to give. I don't think that all the money we're pumping down there now is going to do them any good, really. It'll set up quick institutions and provide some short term help, but then as Panda said, all the money and resources we sent down there will end up in he warlords' hands. All the infrastructure we build up will fall away when we aren't there to maintain it, and any help we gave would be undone, and go to aid the bad people down there.

At the same time though, the idea of just ignoring it doesn't sit with me well at all. I definitely feel like something should be done, but I just don't know what. But it definitely seems like pouring millions of dollars out of our countries and into a beleaguered country like that is going to be pretty detrimental to both of us.


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Optimist With Doubts
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PostPosted: Jan 22 2010 09:31 am Reply with quote Back to top

Pandajuice wrote:
Optimist With Doubts wrote:
I'm sorry but you just won't be able to convince me that simply ignoring the situation all together is the right decision.


Like I said, governments can give aid and do whatever they feel is necessary so I'm not advocating to just ignore it completely, but I don't like being bothered during NFL games, on every forum I go to, and at work by people urging me to donate money I don't really have to people I've never met or even care about as if it's my responsibility just because I have electricity.

Well that is just the nature of the beast with tragedies man. I'll admit the constant in your face of reminders get annoying.


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PostPosted: Jan 22 2010 10:40 am Reply with quote Back to top

When I said what I said, I didn't mean to give the impression that I didn't sympathize with Haitians or anything like that. I just think it's indicative of things that if we can't even begin to take care of our own, how are we supposed to help anyone else out? Seems lately our attempts to 'help' aren't really helpful. Yeah, we helped Iraq... sort of? Sure, Saddam is gone, and there's a democratically elected head of state, but do you feel as if you can now safely put Iraq into your travel itinerary? Ethiopia... have they finished starving yet? Even our own damn country... Ground Zero was supposed to be a new building, yet it's still a hole in the ground, hypothetically speaking. Louisiana is STILL suffering from the hurricane's effects, even what, five years later?

My point is, let's work on getting our shit together before we try to get someone else's shit together. You can't "police" the world when your World Police is Barney Fife.


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Not only is that not right, that's not even wrong. It's a meaningless statement. Saying something is "one molecule away" from plastic is like saying a farm is one letter away from a fart. Water is "one molecule away" from being explosive hydrogen gas.

 
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PostPosted: Jan 22 2010 11:34 am Reply with quote Back to top

like i said, FEMA sucks


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PostPosted: Jan 30 2010 08:17 am Reply with quote Back to top

Here is some important information about the history of Hati.

0. It was the most richiest of the caribbean islands.

1. Hati was to be part of Liousaina purchase, when Washington brought it from Napoleon. However it did not get fit into the deal.

2. Hati had to fight for there freedoms. Unlike other parts of the West Indies. It was so filled with slaves, it was a 1 to 10 ratio. Imagine the Russian revolution but even worst.

3. Dew to this uprising. Nobody wanted to do business with Hatians at all. MAking it the most poorest, alll the way into present day.

4. Years past and Hatians had to make dew. So for starters all the way into the 1990's
they had CHILD LABOR. The likes that is not even of East Asia. This is why many people have tried to escape Hati. Only to be sent back there, unlike Cubans.

5. Hati has no actually college. They go to America, Dominica, and other places to get there college education. LIKE THE USA.

6. Hati has Dominican "Pink Flamingo clubs" AKAK go go clubs.

7. Remember Hati was part of the Lousiana Purchase. Thus comes the french slang known as CREOL. Creol is really french. THIS IS WHY BILLIONS OF HATIAN PEOPLE IN THE USA WILL ALLWAYS TAKE FRENCH, IT IS LIKE CHINESE PEOPLE TAKING CHINESE, OR SPANISH PEOPLE TAKING SPANISH.

8. Many southern blacks are decendants of the Lousiana Purchase. Making them strongly assciated with Hatians.

9. Many women who want a blacker baby, or who is of a culture that they feel a black person would be better, will most likely hook up with an Hatians. Many of them are from neighbor Carribean islands. YES IT AN ERASIST THING. However it is from commercialization, thanks to the UNITED STATES.

10. Therefore Hati is now considered to be a vacation spot. SINCE PEOPLE GREW OLD AND FORGOT ABOUT HATIANS true nature.

11. Many people from Hati is US citizens. Like people from China, Yes they are jacking our funds. However.

12. They buy our products like. Duricell batteries, Ensure milk, and pads.

13. Hatians people are hyper Religious. Like mormons, they do not like art dew to the sexual nature. However these are the women of Hati.

14. Hatian women make good wives. They look black. They have that African thing about them. More importantly they are islanders. Imagine a well rounded Jewish woman but talks less and smiles more.

FINALLY WHY WILL THOSE WHO HELP BENIFIT.

Like China, Japan, and other places. The USA helped and put a big bill on them. So why not Hatians.

Hatians as mentioned are good US citizens.

Helping them is like closing the gap, and destoying any difference among black people. You see places like Jamacia, had advancements like art, culture, productivity.
Hatians is the only island that never advanced beyond just HANGING ON TO LIFE.
They had child labor, and is the COMMERCIAL FACE for what an African American should be like.

Imagine Black people don't know what Raggae is and have no real relations to rap.
More importantly they don't have anything to do with the British.

So did they deserve this.

The way I see it. Mother nature just put them in there place. Like Tailand. The Hatians are not meant to be commercialized people. So mother nature set that into order. Yes there was streams of blood, and people dropping like flies. However Hatians pratice CHILD LABOR AKA CHILD SLAVERY.

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Why is it irresponsible? Why is it our responsibility to come rushing to their aid?

And fine, let the governments throw some money and troops at the problem to gain some international favor, but why the fuck am
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I being told during NFL playoff games that I should donate? Why am I seeing forum threads popping up everywhere detailing all the ways I can contribute to the cause?



The USA is in a finacial criss, and what better way to take of the edge with making fake donations, taxing them, and stuff like that. People of Hati ( like China ) are made up of US employees. Did you know people who run donations get paid. Imagine the presendent of a corperations, sapping up profits, to buy themselves cars.

IMAGINE ENRON. However it is legal. With this Hatian excuse we can go a long way back into the green. Then even forget about September 11th, Forget about the FAKE reason why US invaded IRAQ. Forget about all the rap music. Forget about the blissfull 1990's. Give leeway into stupidity products and prepare for any other wannabee 1940's era.

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. Does no one remember Somalia? Or how Africa is not magically all better after billions of dollars dumped into it and is in fact, worse off than ever?


Well........... Nobody cares about Africa. You see it is mostly there own people. Also Somalia being poor and such, got feed up of people fishing in there waters. China lent Nigeria helicopters to brush a village in a instant. A village in there nation. Qoute this African guy.

"The world is moving foward and we are being left in the dust"

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Why is it the reponsibility of the US populace to come to the rescue when a lot of people can barely even pay their own bills.


People in the USA can pay the bills. However when people try to beat the system, everybody gets affected. Also people just have to stop drinking beer, and watching cable television.
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PostPosted: Jan 30 2010 10:43 am Reply with quote Back to top

¿qué?
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UsaSatsui wrote:
¿qué?

this


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After reading that I need a mountain due.


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Optimist With Doubts wrote:
After reading that I need a mountain due.

im drinking a mountain do myself


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Arnold Schwartzenegger is erasist.


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PostPosted: Jan 30 2010 05:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I can't figure out if RegalSoul is being facetious with that post, or is actually totally retarded.
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I stopped reading after the part about having blacker babies. Seriously, man, what the hell?


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Haiti by the Numbers:
27 Days After the Quake
890 million. Amount of international debt that Haiti owes creditors. Finance ministers from developing countries announced they will forgive $290 million. Source: Wall Street Journal.

644 million. Donations for Haiti to private organizations have exceed $644 million. Over $200 million has gone to the Red Cross, who had 15 people working on health projects in Haiti before the earthquake. About $40 million has gone to Partners in Health, which had 5,000 people working on health in Haiti before the quake. Source: New York Times.

1 million. People still homeless or needing shelter in Haiti. Source: MSNBC.

1 million. People who have been given food by the UN World Food Program in Port au Prince – another million in Port au Prince still need help. Source: UN World Food Program.

300,000. People injured in the earthquake, reported by Haitian Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive. Source: CNN.

212,000. People reported killed by earthquake by Haitian Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive. Source: CNN.

63,000. There are 63,000 pregnant women among the people displaced by the earthquake. 7,000 women will deliver their children each month. Source: UN Populations Fund.

17,000. Number of United States troops stationed on or off coast in Haiti, down from a high of 22,000. Source: AFP.

9,000. United Nations troops in Haiti. Source: Miami Herald.

7,000. Number of tents distributed by United Nations. Source: Miami Herald. President Preval of Haiti has asked for 200,000 tents. Source: Reuters.

4,000. Number of amputations performed in Haiti since the earthquake. Source: AFP.

900. Number of latrines that have been dug for the people displaced from their homes. Another 950,000 people still need sanitation. Source: New York Times.

75. An hourly wage of 75 cents per hour is paid by the United Nations Development Program to people in Haiti who have been hired to help in the clean up. The UNDP is paying 30,000 people to help clean up Haiti, 180 Haitian Gourdes ($4.47) for six hours of work. The program hopes to hire 100,000 people. Source: United Nations News Briefing.

1.25. The U.S. is pledged to spend as much as $379 million in Haitian relief. This is about $1.25 for each person in the United States. Source: Canadian Press.

1. For every one dollar of U.S. aid to Haiti, 42 cents is for disaster assistance, 33 cents is for the U.S. military, 9 cents is for food, 9 cents is to transport the food, 5 cents to pay Haitians to help with recovery effort, 1 cent is for the Haitian government and ½ a cent is for the government of the Dominican Republic. Source: Associated Press. -

http://www.counterpunch.org/quigley02092010.html
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http://current.com/items/92104837_haiti-by-the-numbers.htm


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