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Rydog
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Looking at it, it does look kinda clunky and the stylus is pretty stupid.
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Ky-Guy
Title: Obscure Nintendo Gamer
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| LordHuffnPuff wrote: |
| However, the reason they're releasing this is clear. The target audience is older people and those with bad eyesight, who requested a larger screen because reading the text on the other DS systems was difficult. This is also why it comes with a stylus the size of a PEN. |
OK, that makes more sense to me now.
You see, I'm pretty much the opposite of that audience. I'm the type of guy who goes into Control Panel on computers to make the resolution as high as possible. I can also read the microprint on a check if I look closely enough.
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Andrew Man
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I predict Nintendo to announce a new console (or an updated Wii) at this years E3.
With Sony and Microsoft readying their own motion control devices, Nintendo has to catch up, now would be the time.
The new console will have to be HD compatible and have some sort of upgradable hard drive if they don't want to be left behind at this point.
Their original argument for not including HD on the Wii I feel is valid, but that was three years ago and HD has penetrated many more homes.
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Pandajuice
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God, I really hope video games don't become all motion control in the next gen. That would be a disaster. The Wii is a pain in the ass to play, and the gimmick sucks a lot of fun out of games that would have been great without it, especially when developers try to shoehorn it in.
I hope it ends up just being a bad fad like FMV was.
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Syd Lexia
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I predict Nintendo to announce a new console (or an updated Wii) at this years E3.
With Sony and Microsoft readying their own motion control devices, Nintendo has to catch up, now would be the time.
The new console will have to be HD compatible and have some sort of upgradable hard drive if they don't want to be left behind at this point.
Their original argument for not including HD on the Wii I feel is valid, but that was three years ago and HD has penetrated many more homes. |
They've sold about as many Wiis as they possibly can. It's time to move on. If Nintendo doesn't show a new console at E3 2010 and have it available by November, they're in serious trouble.
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
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fuck that. the wii just came out in 2006, barely bought mine the weekend before smash bros came out. i havent had enough time to play with my wii (lol.) i still have a ton of games that i havent completed for the wii and the ds.
nintendo is still fine. everyone and their mom bought a wii. they just need to start worrying about making good games and getting rid of all the shovelware crap we get. and they need to release more and more games on the VC.
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GPFontaine
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They don't need a new console. They need more games. Companies like Nintendo lose money on hardware. Software is where the cash is. Make more software, people will buy it. Make a new Zelda/Mario/Metroid/Castlevania every year. People will buy them. EVERY FUCKING TIME.
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Rydog
Title: Dragon Slayer
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The problem with Wii is that even though they have sold the most, they also have the most consoles collecting dust. I know a lot of people who have Wii Sports and nothing else. For every Wii that gets serious playing time, a few only get pulled out when company is over to play tennis & bowling.
Is there a stat that measures: average amount of $ spent or # of games purchased/per console sold? I would bet Wii lags in this category.
They absolutely need to make a move in the console war.
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
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| They don't need a new console. They need more games. Companies like Nintendo lose money on hardware. Software is where the cash is. Make more software, people will buy it. Make a new Zelda/Mario/Metroid/Castlevania every year. People will buy them. EVERY FUCKING TIME. |
THIS
instead of releasing those great games once a console, they should worry about releasing them sooner. i understand quality and all that jazz, but come on now.
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Syd Lexia
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| They don't need a new console. They need more games. Companies like Nintendo lose money on hardware. Software is where the cash is. Make more software, people will buy it. Make a new Zelda/Mario/Metroid/Castlevania every year. People will buy them. EVERY FUCKING TIME. |
Companies LIKE Nintendo lose money on hardware. Nintendo does not. One of the reasons the Wii was designed the way it was was because Nintendo was able to sell it AT A PROFIT. That is also one of the reasons that the third party quality control has been less than vigilant; Nintendo was making money off every Wii sold.
They can no longer do so. When the Wii came out, it was, what, $100 cheaper than its closest competitor, an HD-less 360? Now XBox and PS3 have closed the price gap significantly. And the PS3 technology has aged significantly better than the 360 and Wii technology. Also, the Wii's online strategy is broken. Maybe it can be fixed, but at this point, it would be too little, too late. They need a new system with:
A) High definition
B) An online system that doesn't require fucking friend codes for every goddam game
C) An actual hard drive
D) Improved hardware capabilities
The Wii was designed for diversity, and that diversity simply isn't there right now. The limited space and lack of high definition prevent the system from attracting many of the A-List titles that get a dual PS3/360 release. You think Capcom wouldn't have released SF4 or RE5 on the Wii if it were viable? Of course they would have.
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Ky-Guy
Title: Obscure Nintendo Gamer
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| GPFontaine wrote: |
| They don't need a new console. They need more games. Companies like Nintendo lose money on hardware. Software is where the cash is. Make more software, people will buy it. Make a new Zelda/Mario/Metroid/Castlevania every year. People will buy them. EVERY FUCKING TIME. |
Companies LIKE Nintendo lose money on hardware. Nintendo does not. One of the reasons the Wii was designed the way it was was because Nintendo was able to sell it AT A PROFIT. That is also one of the reasons that the third party quality control has been less than vigilant; Nintendo was making money off every Wii sold.
They can no longer do so. When the Wii came out, it was, what, $100 cheaper than its closest competitor, an HD-less 360? Now XBox and PS3 have closed the price gap significantly. And the PS3 technology has aged significantly better than the 360 and Wii technology. Also, the Wii's online strategy is broken. Maybe it can be fixed, but at this point, it would be too little, too late. They need a new system with:
A) High definition
B) An online system that doesn't require fucking friend codes for every goddam game
C) An actual hard drive
D) Improved hardware capabilities
The Wii was designed for diversity, and that diversity simply isn't there right now. The limited space and lack of high definition prevent the system from attracting many of the A-List titles that get a dual PS3/360 release. You think Capcom wouldn't have released SF4 or RE5 on the Wii if it were viable? Of course they would have. |
A.) You know, I like high-definition and all, but I don't think it's nearly as necessary in a video game as it is in a movie or TV show, as video games can fall back on gameplay. In fact, I might know why the Wii isn't HD compatible:
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| This may sound paradoxical, but if we had followed the existing Roadmaps we would have aimed to make it "faster and flashier." In other words, we would have tried to improve the speed at which it displays stunning graphics. But we could not help but ask ourselves, "How big an impact would that direction really have on our customers?" During development, we came to realize the sheer inefficiency of this path when we compared the hardships and costs of development against any new experiences that might be had by our customers. |
http://www.nintendo.com/wii/what/iwataasks/volume-1/part-1;jsessionid=28381204165D82156D37CD13E496F05F
I might be wrong, but judging from that statement, they probably didn't believe that improving the graphics was the way to go, but rather offer a new experience to play games. I can honestly live with that.
B.) I do, however, hate the damn friend codes that exist in every game. Why did they implement that? Security? Apparently so, but it still turned me off of Animal Crossing: City Folk for good.
C.) Yeah, we could've had a better hard drive. It should've been at least 10 GB, if not more. At least they [somewhat] solved the storage problem with direct SD card accessibility, though.
D.) What do you mean by "improved hardware capabilities?" If you're referring to the fact the the system memory gets "corrupted" after doing Wii Fit for over a year, then yeah, they need to work on that.
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Rydog
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I agree that high def. isn't 100% necessary but I do think it is a strong selling point for a big chunk of the market.
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Syd Lexia
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| D.) What do you mean by "improved hardware capabilities?" If you're referring to the fact the the system memory gets "corrupted" after doing Wii Fit for over a year, then yeah, they need to work on that. |
Wait... WHAT? Should I stop playing Wii Fit? Link please.
I mean it needs better hardware. The 360 version of Dead Rising can render something like 800 zombies at once. The Wii version can only render 100 at once, due to the technical limitations of the system, and you sometimes get a little bit slowdown at 100.
Nintendo's argument against HD is bullshit. If they don't want to make games in HD, that's fine, they don't have to. But third party developers have shown that they are going to make games in HD with or without Nintendo, and they don't seem to put anywhere as much effort into the non-HD title they produce for Nintendo, despite the shorter development period they require. In fact, these companies spend so much time, money, and resources on HD games, they don't have the time, money, and resources to make Wii games. Nintendo is at a crossroads, and what they do next will make or break them. On the console front, they are facing a perfect storm of poor third party support, outdated hardware, and strong competition within their price range.
Look, I love the Wii. And I love most of the games Nintendo has made for it. But they have not redefined the market, and they have not captured the imagination of third party developers. Game developers still want to make really, really pretty games that you play through once in 15 hours, then trade in for something else. And people still want to play them. And to be successful, Nintendo needs to get into that market. Right now, their market consists mostly of casual gamers, non-gamers, and fanboys. And they've made some good money doing that. But they need to get back into the market that made then a household name from 1985-1995: ACTUAL GAMERS. And to do that, they need a console that's capabale of running the sort of games those people want to play. And the Wii simply isn't.
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Ky-Guy
Title: Obscure Nintendo Gamer
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
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| D.) What do you mean by "improved hardware capabilities?" If you're referring to the fact the the system memory gets "corrupted" after doing Wii Fit for over a year, then yeah, they need to work on that. |
Wait... WHAT? Should I stop playing Wii Fit? Link please.
I mean it needs better hardware. The 360 version of Dead Rising can render something like 800 zombies at once. The Wii version can only render 100 at once, due to the technical limitations of the system, and you sometimes get a little bit slowdown at 100.
Nintendo's argument against HD is bullshit. If they don't want to make games in HD, that's fine, they don't have to. But third party developers have shown that they are going to make games in HD with or without Nintendo, and they don't seem to put anywhere as much effort into the non-HD title they produce for Nintendo, despite the shorter development period they require. In fact, these companies spend so much time, money, and resources on HD games, they don't have the time, money, and resources to make Wii games. Nintendo is at a crossroads, and what they do next will make or break them. On the console front, they are facing a perfect storm of poor third party support, outdated hardware, and strong competition within their price range.
Look, I love the Wii. And I love most of the games Nintendo has made for it. But they have not redefined the market, and they have not captured the imagination of third party developers. Game developers still want to make really, really pretty games that you play through once in 15 hours, then trade in for something else. And people still want to play them. And to be successful, Nintendo needs to get into that market. Right now, their market consists mostly of casual gamers, non-gamers, and fanboys. And they've made some good money doing that. But they need to get back into the market that made then a household name from 1985-1995: ACTUAL GAMERS. And to do that, they need a console that's capabale of running the sort of games those people want to play. And the Wii simply isn't. |
I think that Wii Fit issue is just me. More often than not recently, whenever I leave that game, the system would give me the "System Files Are Corrupted" screen. But even there, that stupid screen is simple to bypass. It doesn't necessarily mean that the files are corrupted. In fact, I'm convinced that they're not.
Besides, it also happened to me a few times whenever I left Doc Louis's Punch Out!!, so I think it's just my Wii, and not Wii Fit.
But I now understand where you're going, and you're right. It does need better hardware. I would like to see more enemies on the screen, plus the hardware upgrade could probably (but don't quote me on this; I could be DEAD wrong) help the motion sensing capabilities.
Also, while I do like HD, I kinda think Nintendo still has a good argument against HD. It kinda seems like they were trying to avoid complicating things with HD graphics and get to what's really important: the gameplay. Plus, in my honest opinion, any game looks good with progressive scan if you can get it on a good enough TV. At my parent's house, we have a 1080p HDTV that makes any game look spectacular, especially when you have progressive scan running. I especially like playing Super Smash Bros. Brawl on it.
Also, I thought Nintendo was doing decently enough with the hardcore audience, and with New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Sin & Punishment 2, the new Zelda game and many more titles coming up, I thought the hardcore audience could be regained.
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Syd Lexia
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Again though, just because your system HD-compatible, that doesn't mean that every fucking game needs to be in HD. If Nintendo doesn't want to make HD games, they don't have to. But since Konami, Capcom, and Namco already are making HD games and seem to be largely focused on doing so, Nintendo ought to give them the option of making HD games for them.
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Ice2SeeYou
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Personally I've never really understood the HD vs non-HD argument. People always talk about graphics VS gameplay as if they're completely unrelated, but in my opinion they're not.
Better graphical capabilities can often lead to more immersive gameplay. The examples you guys gave above about being able to render more zombies on-screen makes for a better game. Likewise, a game like Gears of War is more immersive and scarier because of the realistic graphics. Elder Scrolls: Oblivion is 4 years old, and it still boggles my mind just how big the damn game is......and the amount of effort that must have gone in to every bit of detail.
That's not to say that there aren't a lot of games that look great but play like shit. This applies to movies as well.....the Transformers movies looked incredible but were utter garbage. I'll take Robocop with its stop-motion special effects any day.
All I'm saying is that Xbox and PS3 fanboys who rant about their systems' graphical superiority are full of shit, but no more so than the Wii-fanboys who claim their system is the divine harbinger of superior gameplay.
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username
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about 3-4 years ago, HD was unnecessary, but now that HD-ready TV's are so commonplace and not as expensive as they once were, Nintendo definitely needs to jump on the HD bandwagon.
i agree, graphics dont make a game, but they dont hurt it either. and since every other company and their mom are spouting HD this and HD that, then why not allow them to make those games on the one system EVERYONE owns?
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Ice2SeeYou
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about 3-4 years ago, HD was unnecessary, but now that HD-ready TV's are so commonplace and not as expensive as they once were, Nintendo definitely needs to jump on the HD bandwagon.
i agree, graphics dont make a game, but they dont hurt it either. and since every other company and their mom are spouting HD this and HD that, then why not allow them to make those games on the one system EVERYONE owns? |
Yea, this is pretty much the biggest reason. With HD becoming the norm rather than the exception, it's time for Nintendo to make that step. Being non-HD seems somewhat outdated now, but in another 3-4 years it's going to seem downright obsolete.
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