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Character deaths that would ruin your favorite franchises


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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Oct 29 2009 04:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Topic name is the name of the game. List characters that should never be killed off.

Mega Man Classic - Dr. Wily, Dr. Light
Tekken - Heihachi
Mortal Kombat - Anyone from the first two games
Street Fighter - M. Bison
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PostPosted: Oct 29 2009 04:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Mario - Bowser, Princess Peach, Mario, Luigi
Legend of Zelda - Ganondorf, Zelda, Link
Star Fox - Any of the original characters, except Andross
Sonic - Sonic, Tails, Dr. Robotnik/Eggman


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PostPosted: Oct 29 2009 05:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I always thought M. Bison kinda sucked.

They should never kill off Dracula from Castlevania.


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PostPosted: Oct 29 2009 06:06 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Topic name is the name of the game. List characters that should never be killed off.

Mega Man Classic - Dr. Wily, Dr. Light
Tekken - Heihachi
Mortal Kombat - Anyone from the first two games
Street Fighter - M. Bison


I think the death of Wily would be the final game and the transition point between classic and X.

Honestly, most of my favorite franchises were ruined by stupid decisions rather than characters getting killed off.


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PostPosted: Oct 29 2009 06:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

tetris - the L tetrad
earthworm jim - jim
god of war - kratos


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PostPosted: Oct 29 2009 07:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

JRA wrote:
Honestly, most of my favorite franchises were ruined by stupid decisions rather than characters getting killed off.


^

But anyway~...

Street Fighter: Guile and Sagat.
Mortal Kombat: Sub-Zero and Scorpion.
Samurai Shodown: Hanzo and Nakoruru.
Sly Cooper: Any of the original Cooper Gang members.
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PostPosted: Oct 29 2009 07:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Sedix19 wrote:
JRA wrote:
Honestly, most of my favorite franchises were ruined by stupid decisions rather than characters getting killed off.


^

But anyway~...

Street Fighter: Guile and Sagat.
Mortal Kombat: Sub-Zero and Scorpion.
Samurai Shodown: Hanzo and Nakoruru.
Sly Cooper: Any of the original Cooper Gang members.
Wow, somebody on this forum besides me referenced the Sly Cooper games!


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PostPosted: Oct 29 2009 08:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Crash Bandicoot: Crash, Coco, Cortex, Tiny, Dingodile, and N.Tropy.
Spyro the Dragon: Spyro, Hunter, and Sparx.
Banjo-Kazooie: Grunty

Oh wait, those franchises are already dead. >__>

Sonic the Hedgehog: Sonic, Tails, and Dr. Eggman.
Donkey Kong: DK, Cranky, and K.Rool.
Wario Land: Wario and Capt. Syrup.
Mortal Kombat: Raiden, Shao Kahn, and Shang Tsung.
Tekken: Heihachi.
Street Fighter: Ryu, Chun-Li, Bison, and Akuma.(Ken can die for all I care.)
King of Fighters: Kyo, Iori, Athena, Terry, Geese, and Omega Rugal.
Samurai Shodown: Haohmaru, Genjuro, and Nakoruru.
Mega Man X: Sigma(Suck it X8.)
Castlevania: Death and Dracula
Metroid: Ridley
Kirby: King Dedede
Diablo: Deckard Cain and Tyrael
Starcraft: Raynor.


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PostPosted: Oct 29 2009 09:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The metroids, from ,you know, Metroid.
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PostPosted: Oct 29 2009 09:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Starfox - Slippy

That is all. Slippy sucks big ones but if I went back and played Starfox 64 and he wasn't bitching constantly it just wouldn't be as entertaining. Shooting him down brings me a joy like no other in gaming.
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2009 12:11 am Reply with quote Back to top

Metal Gear Solid- Otacon

I'm basically out of the loop as far as MGS goes now anyways, but playing through the first game, I always let Meryl die, since that really fit with who Snake was, and to me made the story much more dramatic. Plus, Otacon and Snake were a good comedy duo, especially over stuff like ketchup and killing dogs. At the end of the game, if you finish it with Meryl, Otacon stays behind in order to allow you more time to escape, thus sacrificing himself when the US bombs Shadow Moses, even though they never do.

Otacon makes a return to the 2nd game, and is just as pessimistic. Although this time around, they build a dark story around his family that wasn't really needed. And then his sister gets killed, which is fucking ridiculous. They basically butchered his character in this game.

I know he's in the 4th game, but I haven't played through it all the way and don't have a lot of desire to, however he's a staple of the franchise.


GTA 3- Donald Love

Originally, he was supposed to be the main antagonist in GTA 3, who you're supposed to bring down and have chaos ensue on the city, however the idea was scrapped along with many other things, which in the end was probably a better choice.

Love disappears at one point and is never heard or seen again. Many people think he was killed, while others think he skipped town, I prefer to choose the latter. Rockstar has been tight lipped on the whole thing and he has yet to reappear outside of prequels that do his character no justice at all.

If he does resurface, hopefully they don't take into consideration that he needs to pay for framing people and being corrupt, since he and Ray were absolutely awesome at their position.

People who died in games who shouldn't have;

MGS2 - Emma
Silent Hill - Lisa
Super Mario RPG - Boomer, Punchinello
Syphon Filter - Phagan

As far as people who "shouldn't" die, I can safely say that anyone main stream from the Mario world will never be killed off. And Ganon technically does die in every game, however most of the Zelda games tend to be a retelling of each story, the only ones that are continuing are Link's Adventure and Majora's Mask.
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2009 12:41 am Reply with quote Back to top

oregon trail - the indian who helps you cross the river


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PostPosted: Oct 30 2009 01:10 am Reply with quote Back to top

username wrote:
oregon trail - the indian who helps you cross the river


I don't remember this in my edition, or was that a joke?

If it wasn't, at least they captured the pioneers in the right sense, although there should've been an option to take a route to save time, only to be confronted by Mormons who slaughter everyone.
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2009 09:31 am Reply with quote Back to top

Doddsino wrote:
username wrote:
oregon trail - the indian who helps you cross the river


I don't remember this in my edition, or was that a joke?

If it wasn't, at least they captured the pioneers in the right sense, although there should've been an option to take a route to save time, only to be confronted by Mormons who slaughter everyone.


There is an Indian that helps you cross the river, I think I used him during my play through. You can reference that where ever it is.

They should never kill off Barry from Resident Evil, he says the neatest things.


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PostPosted: Oct 30 2009 09:55 am Reply with quote Back to top

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Street Fighter - M. Bison


I regret to inform you of the passing of General "M. Bison" Vega, killed by a Shun-Goku-Satsu at the end of the Second World Warrior tournament.

He apparently gets better, though.

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Mortal Kombat: Sub-Zero and Scorpion.


Both dead, I believe. More than one ninja has used the name "Sub-Zero", but I think the original died. Scorpion, of course, was already dead.

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There is an Indian that helps you cross the river, I think I used him during my play through. You can reference that where ever it is.


There's an Indian Guide at the Snake River who will trade his services for sets of clothing. It's a pretty good deal. I've never had the wagon tip on me when they guide you, but apparently it's still possible.

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The metroids, from ,you know, Metroid.


The last metroid is in captivity. The galaxy is at peace.

As for an actual answer to the question...I really don't know. I think a story is better when you have the idea that anyone at all can die. And clearly the death of a title character or the protagonist you play as would be hard to handle. But any NPC should be fair game to off if necessary, if the story can be written around it.
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2009 10:10 am Reply with quote Back to top

Doddsino wrote:
Metal Gear Solid- Otacon

I'm basically out of the loop as far as MGS goes now anyways, but playing through the first game, I always let Meryl die, since that really fit with who Snake was, and to me made the story much more dramatic. Plus, Otacon and Snake were a good comedy duo, especially over stuff like ketchup and killing dogs. At the end of the game, if you finish it with Meryl, Otacon stays behind in order to allow you more time to escape, thus sacrificing himself when the US bombs Shadow Moses, even though they never do.

Otacon makes a return to the 2nd game, and is just as pessimistic. Although this time around, they build a dark story around his family that wasn't really needed. And then his sister gets killed, which is fucking ridiculous. They basically butchered his character in this game.

I know he's in the 4th game, but I haven't played through it all the way and don't have a lot of desire to, however he's a staple of the franchise.

Otacon makes a major comeback in MGS4.

I was also going to post Otacon when this thread started. Personally, I want to see the man find love! lol. But he kind of becomes the chronicler by MGS4 and as such he must be the last to die.
Doddsino wrote:
GTA 3- Donald Love

Originally, he was supposed to be the main antagonist in GTA 3, who you're supposed to bring down and have chaos ensue on the city, however the idea was scrapped along with many other things, which in the end was probably a better choice.

Love disappears at one point and is never heard or seen again. Many people think he was killed, while others think he skipped town, I prefer to choose the latter. Rockstar has been tight lipped on the whole thing and he has yet to reappear outside of prequels that do his character no justice at all.

If he does resurface, hopefully they don't take into consideration that he needs to pay for framing people and being corrupt, since he and Ray were absolutely awesome at their position.

If anything that's a character who should die! Twisted Evil

But that did remind me that he was supposed to die in a mission where you fly a plane into his building because that terrorist in the tunnel of Portland tells you to. All that was cut for good reason. But I completely agree that keeping him alive is a great excuse to have him come back bigger and badder than ever.

Doddsino wrote:
People who died in games who shouldn't have;

MGS2 - Emma
Silent Hill - Lisa

I feel that Emma needed to die. There wasn't a whole lot for her to do and it only motivated Otacon more. Plus, in MGS4 she's kinda replaced by Sunny and her relationship with Otacon (father/daughter) is a lot more appropriate than the implied (or blatant) incest that he had going on with his family.

Lisa needed to die because she's already dead! That's the whole point of her character. Now whether she was a nice person before she died or not is up to debate, but I prefer her to be a positive spirit in that hellhole. Having her show up as a savior for other characters though just wouldn't work IMO. Might as well have Alyssa show up for the other characters too (besides 3 and 0rigins).


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PostPosted: Oct 30 2009 03:13 pm Reply with quote Back to top

pretty much every fucking thing in the legend of zelda series

except for those damned keese, those things can go fucking die

every time i have a shot almost lined up or a half of a heart those things show up and ruin everything



 
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Any Cid apart from the douchebag one in FFXII and the one in FFII


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PostPosted: Oct 30 2009 03:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

games that would benefit by the deaths of characters? easy,

Zelda OoT - Navi


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Another that would benefit would be Mega Man X5 - Alias.


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Guitar Hero: Judy Nails
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2009 04:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think Kazuya from Tekken needs to die. He's so fucking boring. Heihachi and Jin are way cooler.
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I wish Tingle from LOZ series would die too.


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PostPosted: Oct 30 2009 06:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Did this thread change topics halfway through it?
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2009 07:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

UsaSatsui wrote:
Did this thread change topics halfway through it?

yeah, i flipped it when i mentioned navi. i guess from my post down we can start a new thread. or just change the thread title to 'games that would or wouldnt benefit from character deaths'


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