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Title: Pop Culture Junkie
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It wasn't meant to be a "real" Freddy film. New Line had decided (at the time) to end the franchise with Freddy's Dead. Wes Craven had been wanting a chance to do a new Freddy movie for years, and since New Line wasn't interested in NOES anymore, they greenlit Craven's script.
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Title: owner of a lonely heart
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i didnt think this thread would get any responses.
anyhow, i was reading this blog that was trying to argue that Batman & Robin is the most important comic book movie. basically, its saying that its sooo bad that movie makers were forced to create better movies.
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Why "Batman & Robin" is "the most important comic-book movie ever made."
Ten years ago, when Akiva Goldsman was overwhelmingly associated with writing "Batman & Robin," the film that temporarily killed a seemingly infallible franchise, the idea that he'd be back on top in Hollywood because "his populist tastes, skill with story and that old comic-book collection make him a man for the moment in Hollywood" would've been unthinkable. But that's how Geoff Boucher describes the writer, producer and soon-to-be-director in a glowing profile in this weekend's Los Angeles Times.
Yes, you can recover from taking part in making one of the worst superhero movies ever, and apparently even be congratulated for it. Boucher quotes Marvel Studios' Kevin Feige, who, when speaking on a panel back in June, claimed that "Batman & Robin" "may be the most important comic-book movie ever made. It was so bad that it demanded a new way of doing things. It created the opportunity to do 'X-Men' and 'Spider-Man,' adaptations that respected the source material and adaptations that were not campy."
Beyond implying that Goldsman's major achievement is revolutionarily negative, Feige's quote also suggests that the entire history of comic book movies up until the '00s was one campy travesty after another. Which is a point you could definitely argue -- even the big comic-book successes (the Christopher Reeve "Superman" and Tim Burton's distinctive but not entirely faithful "Batman" movies) were light enough in their touch to seem flippant.
But, despite personally digging the "Hellboy" movies, the last two "Spider-Man" films and "X2," I never could go whole hog in treating comic books as if they had the same heft and weight as their stuffier literary counterparts. So I have question the idea that comic book movies were steadily headed down the wrong path before Goldsman inadvertently forced the issue -- though, as president of freakin' Marvel Studios, I'm sure Feige has more invested in the issue than me.
Let's say this: there's nothing wrong with treating comic-book material lightly, any more than there is in treating it with the greatest reverence. "Batman & Robin" was awful, sure, but we now have the opposite problem, with superhero mythologies getting treated with Talmudic reverence and investment. 30 years of comic-book irreverence generated their own special currency -- like Reeve's indelible "Superman" -- and that shouldn't be completely thrown out. Why so serious, indeed. |
http://www.ifc.com/blogs/indie-eye/2009/10/akiva-goldsman.php
i personally dont think B&R had any redeeming qualities about it. the writing was horrible. the acting was horrible. the story was retarded.
anyone agree or disagree?
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I don't get the argument either. The studio wouldn't have complained, if the movie made any money. There was rumors from around the time "The Dark Knight" was in production that WB was trying to tweak things, in order to generate a more family friendly image, which might generate more money. In fact, I heard something about how they wanted to add Harley Quinn in the mix to appease online fanboys, which would've been a big mistake in my eyes, since she never had any redeeming qualities and would not have worked with Ledger's Joker.
Also, I don't consider comic book movies to have gotten better outside of maybe "Incredible Hulk", "Iron Man" and "Batman Begins/Dark Knight". Everything else still has small reminents of "Batman and Robin", even the "Spiderman" movies, which I didn't care for at all.
Also, I'd watch a Joel Shumacher comic book movie over an Ang Lee comic book movie any day of the week.
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