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Mr. Magog
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Tebor
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6. The SydLexia.com forums are not a pulpit.
While your post was made in jest, as a book burner I find it highly offensive... Or supportive... Whatever. Do whatever you want.
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JoshWoodzy
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That post isn't offensive, it's a news story that is everywhere. These people are silly but they certainly have rights to burn whatever the hell they want.
But do they think King James and Jesus hung out or something. Really? A lot of people consider the king james version awful, as he hated women and edited the book as he saw fit.
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Kojjiro!
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Oh my god this website makes me sick.
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Syd Lexia
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Berserk007
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Hebrew with small portions of Aramaic was the original source.
That guy should be burning those overalls.... Seriously though at least they were not stupid enough to start burning the Koran or something, a small news story would have turned into a nationwide shit storm. Come for the holier-than-thou platitudes... stay for the BBQ / Fried chicken.
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Doddsino
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It was definately transcribed in Latin though, one of the reasons being that keeping with a tradition such as that would allow for the "commoners" not to seek out reading it, that is until Martin Luther.
Honestly, my dad is a pastor...and while I'm agnostic...it's dumbfucks like these that just make me laugh.
And picking on Evangelist Billy Graham? That's really weak dude.
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Tyop
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The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the New Testament was written in Greek. Neither one has any Latin in it.
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SoldierHawk
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^ Correct. Latin was the 'educated' language of Europe. Bible was kept in Latin so priests and the elite could read it, and feed their interpretation to the masses who were barely literate in their own language, let alone Latin.
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Doddsino
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Man, this is almost as good as the super-insane-right-wingers who want to "cleanse" the Bible of all liberal influence. Y'know, by removing the references to liberal agendas like "feeding the poor" and "being nice to people" and "sharing your wealth."* Jackasses.
*Note I'm not saying this to claim that the Left is better than the Right. This is coming from the insane people, not from me. They actually called feeding the poor part of a liberal agenda. Sigh. |
Yeah, that is a bit ridiculous...but I've seen some of these super liberal churches out there...and yeah, I can't trust a pastor who willingly admits he uses LSD.
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Mr. Magog
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The Bible was written mostly in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. Anyway, I think the most telling point of this video is when they mention the church has 14 members.
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Tyop
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| SoldierHawk wrote: |
| Bible was kept in Latin so priests and the elite could read it, and feed their interpretation to the masses who were barely literate in their own language, let alone Latin. |
That's certainly true to some extent, but, and I hate having to defend the Church here, it's a little too monocausal. Back then Latin was the lingua franca of Europe the same way that English is the world language today. The Catholic Church was a multi-national institution spanning many different regions of language. Having a single administrative language greatly simplified things and facilitated theological discourse. That's one reason why Latin translations of the Bible, like the Vulgata, are so much easier to understand than original Latin authors like Ovid, or even Caesar. The simplistic Latin made it possible for many scholars to read the Bible, without having to translate it into a lot of different languages. And it allowed them to read the work of other scholars without having to speak their respective languages. The use of Latin had a lot of practical advantages and wasn't just a method of limiting interpretive power to a select few.
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SoldierHawk
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^ Oh well yes. I didn't actually mean that as a slam against the Church; its just what my understanding is. And your points are very well taken.
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Syd Lexia
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| SoldierHawk wrote: |
Man, this is almost as good as the super-insane-right-wingers who want to "cleanse" the Bible of all liberal influence. Y'know, by removing the references to liberal agendas like "feeding the poor" and "being nice to people" and "sharing your wealth."* Jackasses.  |
That's stupid. Those things unquestionably belong in the Bible, and their inclusion does not promote a liberal agenda. I believe strongly that I have an obligation as a Christian to be as charitable individual as I can afford, whenever I am able to do so. The Shriners, VFWers, and Salvation Armed Forces that hang out outside supermarkets at various points during the year can attest to this. But I also most wholeheartedly believe that charity is religious virtue, and in my particular case, a Catholic one. I feel no obligation either as a human being or an American to be charitable, but as a Catholic, I choose to do so. And that is the whole point of charity: it's a choice. Doing the right thing is only doing the right thing when you choose to do it of your own free will. When someone else, like say the government, forces you to do the right thing, it becomes meaningless. Furthermore, if charity is indeed a moral issue, the government has no right to force it upon us in the form of socialism and socialist programs. We have heard from the left all too often on the issue of abortion that there must be a separation of church and state, and that it is not the government's job to legislate morality. If they truly believe this, then why do they always try to push through programs that nothing more than charity? Is it perhaps because they're hypocrites? Everyone cries "you can't legislate morality!" until it's THEIR morality in the legislation.
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SoldierHawk
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I quite agree with most of that, Syd, and I totally see where you're coming from.
However, I don't think morality is purely an individual obligation--its the obligation of governments to also be moral, and to ensure that its citizens are well cared for. Now, I imagine you might disagree with that definition, but that's how I look at it, and why I don't take issue with programs like Medicare, food stamps, government run-homeless shelters, etc. I don't see that as legislating morality, merely the government fulfilling its contract with its people. (Which I look at as the "moral" thing for the government to be doing so I suppose you could argue that it is legislating morality after all, but that would be one hell of a cyclical argument I don't feel like addressing right now.)
What I found offensive about the original item I posted was 1) claiming, as you mentioned, that things like charity are a 'liberal agenda' which they are not (I'd be proud if they were, but they're a human agenda, not a political one), and 2) (this really cheesed me off) that a group decided to take it on themselves to alter the Bible, which many believe is the near-direct and infallible word of God, just because they thought it clashed with their political ideas. Fuck them for that.
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asbestos_pie
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I can't stress enough how much Bible-thumping assclowns piss me off. Everyone has to fit their narrow definition of what a Christian is, and if they don't they're an evil, baby-eating Satanist who's going to burn in Hell for all eternity. Homos seemed to be targeted more often than others, as if homosexuality's more evil than any other sin out there. Then they start crying about how they're "persecuted" (and making trve Christians look like shitcocks.) Well I wonder why?
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Tyop
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| When someone else, like say the government, forces you to do the right thing, it becomes meaningless. Furthermore, if charity is indeed a moral issue, the government has no right to force it upon us in the form of socialism and socialist programs. |
Following your logic the fact that I haven't killed anybody is meaningless, because my government has implemented laws to prevent me from doing so. Furthermore, they'd also have no right to impose these no-killing laws upon me because whether or not to kill anybody is a moral issue, which is something the government has to stay out of according to you.
The whole point of having a government in the first place is to enforce a minimal set of moral values. What these values are is a matter of debate. But to argue that the government has no right to interfere in moral issues at all is a poor argument against any specific law, because it means rejecting any law that is more than purely conventional.
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I'm always happy when Toyp shows up.
Um yeah and also crazy bible burners are stupid. Thats pretty obvious.
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username
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I'm always happy when Toyp shows up.
Um yeah and also crazy bible burners are stupid. Thats pretty obvious. |
i agree. Tyop always has great thought-out posts. way more articulate than i could ever hope to be.
did you misspell his name on purpose?
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Neutral-Bob
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Reminds me of that Donnie Davies guy. Of course he might've just been a parody of this stuff. I was never quite sure...
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TheRoboSleuth
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| RobotGumshoe wrote: |
I'm always happy when Toyp shows up.
Um yeah and also crazy bible burners are stupid. Thats pretty obvious. |
i agree. Tyop always has great thought-out posts. way more articulate than i could ever hope to be.
did you misspell his name on purpose? |
I'm making a joke about the metajoke.
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Syd Lexia
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| Tyop wrote: |
| The whole point of having a government in the first place is to enforce a minimal set of moral values. What these values are is a matter of debate. But to argue that the government has no right to interfere in moral issues at all is a poor argument against any specific law, because it means rejecting any law that is more than purely conventional. |
I do agree. But one of the most popular slogans of American Left in support of abortion, unilateral recreational drug legalization, and other controversial issues is thta "you can't legislate morality". And it's a nice slogan, but few, if any laws, were written by amoral people in an amoral mindset out of an amoral necessity.
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Doddsino
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And what I find funny most of all, was almost all government that has ever been in existence, came about under some form of religion.
Since someone brought it up, most Christians I've encountered in my 24 years don't seem to be that upset over homosexuality. What they DO take issue with, is the sanction of marriage, which they truly feel is something that happens between a man and a woman. Now even if you disagree with that, it's just their belief and there's really nothing that can change that. And there wouldn't be much issue with it, but take for example there was a gay marriage bill passed here in Iowa not too long ago and my dad being a minister was targeted by a few people because he didn't want to do gay weddings, and it wasn't only his belief, but the belief of the church. And it's not like these people go around striking or anything, they just don't believe in such a thing. You can't take an embodied belief and all the sudden just say it's wrong, even if it is.
So now, there is a group of people who are organizing that anyone who doesn't do a gay marriage be stricken to get their marriage lisense taken away. Nevermind the whole, seperation of church and state...let's just make sure that if you don't do things the way others want to see fit, then you're not allowed to do that anymore. So in a way, a lot of these "crazy right wingers" are targeted first, then made to look like the bad guys because they won't compromise.
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| RobotGumshoe wrote: |
I'm always happy when Toyp shows up.
Um yeah and also crazy bible burners are stupid. Thats pretty obvious. |
i agree. Tyop always has great thought-out posts. way more articulate than i could ever hope to be.
did you misspell his name on purpose? |
I'm making a joke about the metajoke. |
i figured as much. a joke on top of the joke thats already a joke
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